"Real Fraternities"
 

http://forums.greekchat.com/gcforums...threadid=53288

If he's not talking about locals and commuter schools, then what NIC fraternities is he talking about?

All Stan, All!

Live and Learn!;)

In the words of Mr. Garrison:

"Ok, now let's hear from some one who isn't a complete retard."

CLOWN....
 

The very reason I posted this topic on the TKE site and not on the
general was 'cause I do not wish to have it included amongst the
'new" or "diverse' or "extension" schools....did you read this?
If you did not, then please do...
Of my era and others, perhaps, I have a concept of fraternity. It
does not include twenty member chapters nor those without a
housing provision--all a part of the fraternity experience...in MY
opinion. I welcome yours but do not necessarily agree with your
concept. You are poor examples in many cases, of what we used
to call manners, discretion, and leadership. But, again, this is my
opinion. And I still am not aiming at the general 'Greek Chat"
audience...I want no part of you. Get back in traction.

Why Stan. What do you mean????:confused:

If the Garrison Crack was made towards me, then I guess We are back at War.

If you are talking about The Garrison Of Ls. then how do you not know He was not right?

If again it is, then how do you know, you were not even born then!

Some times your posts are as Bad As Mine, I dont use Drugs either!;)

Well, if you posted in it in the TKE forum, that would mean you're only directing it at the TKE chapters that fit this description of what a fraternity isn't. So, what good would it be only discussing one fraternity? We should expand the discussiong by at least talking about others :D

I think anyone would take offense to not being called a real fraternity, but, hey, that's just me, you have your opinion and you have mine. :D

Garrison of Ls? You MUST be high.

It's from South Park, have a laugh, hahaha.

*dead* after reading the signature alone.

Stan, that is why you are a KID!:rolleyes:

Your History really goes back so far! Da, a cartoon show.

Why dont you get off of Your Alum ass and find out about USA History.

Hint, Kennedy assainatin. There was a Garrison that was making allegations about Kennedys Death! He was from New Orleans! Local DA!

Is that a hint enuff.? Drive or ride the shooting scene.

I know this is off subject, but damn Stan, you are losing a lot here!:rolleyes:

Get off of the Horse you are trying to ride, it aint white, but a muddy brown!:eek:

Damn Tom, I was kidding around, and I'm well aware of whatever history lesson you're trying to pass off...it's all good though, in your old age your eyes need the excersize, so roll all you want :D

Relax and take a midol old man before you trip over your walker and break your artificial hip ;)

Whatever I'm losing, you lost it 60 yrs ago...

off track posts for 1000, alex.

Erick is right to an extent. The Greek system is different at commuter and extension schools largely. However, this is not always the case.

Many commuter and extension schools are currently morphing into more traditional, full size schools as public education expands. As they expand, so do the GLO chapters there. And as that happens, more of them start to get up to 80-100 members, having large plants and even house moms.

It can happen anywhere with the right alum support and the right leadership. It's not the school so much as the alums and they system. You can have a great system even at your "streetcar" campuses.

40 years ago (or something like that), Erick saw the University of Central Oklahoma, my alma mater. At the time, the greek system there was either not yet started, or just a very small system. The school was a teacher college with the only funeral sciences program in the state. Probably didn't have a lot more than that at the time. Since then, the campus has become largely residential/traditional, we've added MANY new degrees and masters programs, we have some nationally recognized programs including our forensics and broadcasting programs to name two.. And of course, a student body of around 15,000. Vastly larger than it was just a few years ago.

As the university has grown, so has the Greek System. I don't think we're to the point yet where we're adding fraternity chapters at Vo-Tech schools or beauty colleges. I'd probably be against that as well. As long as it's a 4-year college where you can one day call yourself an alumnus of such and such university, I don't see what the problem is.

I've seen commuter schools turn into more traditional Greek Life schools. UT-Arlington and UNT both have established Greek Rows twenty years ago half the GLO's lived in old ranch houses and the other half were unhoused.
Don't be so quick to blow off commuter schools.

I've been to both of those campuses and they're not really commuter schools. They have very large on-campus housing. UNT is actually a pretty big school and plays D-1A football.

Granted, many commuter schools have expaned in to full blown 4 year schools.

It used to be, that JUCOs and Commuter schools were for those that couldnt afford to go to full 4 year colleges.

Heck, with all of the tuition hikes, these types of schools may be come the vouge again.

How many feel that a two year school shold have a chapter of your Orgaization?

If it happens, how many two year students will make good alums of any orgaization?

kt snake, Sigma Nu
 

while I do not always agree with you, I have been to Edmond
seen it up and down and up again. You got a good head on
your shoulders and are one of the keenest, loyal, and good
ones in here. I've some Delta Sig, & Phi Psi friends, so they are
not all druggies, losers and wimps. Sometimes one runs out of
steam, and I did not intend to place this topic on the general site
which is full of folks who'd have played hell even getting into a
college a few decades ago. Issue everyone a free ride, a gentlemans B (used to be a C), a sugar titty, and a PhD then let
us get on with living. Greek letters may grace Bruce's College of
Cosmetology at the Mall, but let someone else do that rah-rah.

This is seriously one of the worst posts I've read on GC, no lie. People like this are one of the many reasons that "greeks" seem to be at odds with eachother. I never knew that a fraternity/sorority had to be national and have a house in order to be considered "real."

Then again, we aren't talking 50-60 years ago when life was much different in general. So much has changed and many fraternities and sororities do things just to survive on some campuses, even if they have a house and more than 20 members. So what defines a real fraternity then? A house? A big school? National? More than 50 members?

Let's be real here, it's not what it was 50 years ago and it never will be. Not to mention that said poster seems to have some "fake chapters' within said poster's "real fraternity."

I used to enjoy Erik's posts but now I find him to be a dick. I write him off as the old ass brother that nobody really pays attention to because he seems to make little senss and always relates things to "back in the day" or "when he was in school."

Re: CLOWN....
 

You know, the NPHC greeks don't fit your "concept", I'm curious to see what you think of them. Are the Sigmas, Kappas, Iotas, Omegas, and Alphas not part of the "true fraternity experience" because they don't have houses and prefer to have smaller chapters? :rolleyes:

Geez.

Erik, my friend,

you get a little over the top on this post!

Yes, you are correct ktsnake is one heck of a Greek, I talk with him once in a while.

I hold him as a close Greek Friend as I do you.

Many times, times have changed from the days of old as We knew them.

Remember when State Colleges were not on an A List for the older line Greeks to even think about looking at?
As you know, I do very well!

Some commuter schools have grown from small settings to 4 year schools with larger Campi. Real buildings and dorms, not just a building housing class rooms at a Mall or on a corner.

It may come back to that with the high tuition that seems to be the vouge with tax cuts!:(

Sometimes, I too wonder why certain fraternities exist. There are some fraternities and sororities that exist, I think, to the detriment of Greek life on the whole.

HOWEVA......as Rudey said in another thread, those organizations must exist for a reason and fulfill some sort of need. I am not the one to speak against the purpose for ANY fraternity or sorority in a public forum, particularly one that embraces all GLOs.

It's just foolish to have this debate with him, people. Not only does he expect you to call him all types of variations of OLD, it doesn't hurt his feelings and won't change his mind. Just let it go so we can all keep learning from each other the best way we can.....

through debates on blackface.

Thank you.

Re: kt snake, Sigma Nu
 

1) If you think the Delta Sigs and Sigma Nus are wimps and losers, you outta see the unrecognized TKE chapter here...oops, they bit the hand that fed them, now they're gone. Half of them are part of the new Lambda Chi contingent, and their alum rep on this board doesn't seem to know WTF he's talking about.

2) Only a wimp would hide their thread amongst people who will only tell you what you want to hear. You knew damn well everyone who's in touch with the year 2004 will tell you how stupid your little argument is, so of course you hid it. Don't give me that BS about limiting the criteria or whatever. If there's a problem with linking your thread, then by all means, tell a mod and have it deleted. :D Don't think it will happen though.


3) So, to recap, Erik seems to think anyone without a house and/or goes to a commuter school aren't Greek. Would you mind telling my friends in Phi Beta Sigma, who don't have a house, that they're not Greek? Or maybe the TKE chapter at Cal State San Marcos?

My dear Erik, many fraternities are not housed. I would like to know if all of TKE's chapters are housed.

Who cares about this whole community college/commuter/extension school thing? Is this really an issue? I don't know any and if there are some, they are few.

And how about the fact that fraternities create chapters at every school they can in an effort to expand?? You have a bunch of morons from very stupid schools that can't relate to their smarter brothers in better schools and these same morons from stupid schools create even bigger risks with their parties since really they went to college only for the alcohol. So, Erik, why is TKE at stupid schools?

-Rudey