PNMs--tell the truth on your applications!
 

:eek: I have just heard a few stories about PNMs who lied about their gradepoints and/or activities on their recruitment applications. They were found out.

PNMs! Please don't do this! These applications are usually checked out, especially at big and/or selective schools! And word will get out--the first sorority to find out is likely to call another one.

Wow!

I'm glad you posted this just in case anyone on here was thinking of doing this!

Esp. the GPA thing b/c it will only come back to kick you in the butt in the end...a lot of chapters have threshold GPA requirements that you must meet in order to join...if you lie about it and are accepted as a PNM, then they will have to let you go later when your GPA is released to them! instead, you should be upfront about it and know that everything is cool instead of stressing over the deception for an entire semester :eek:

Re: PNMs--tell the truth on your applications!
 

Great advice, Carnation! That PNM is SO screwed! But heck, nobody's fault but hers...

Wow!!:eek:

Even though I'm not in a sorority, I put down the truth on my recruitment app last fall and even though I know I got cut from some because my gpa wasn't up to par, at least I told the truth. You don't want to look for a sisterhood by lying about the basics. What does it say about you?

It's happened at Ole Miss before, but if you have active alumnae you can find out anything you want to know....plus most sororities at Ole Miss "highly suggest" a copy of a PNM transcripts.

not to mention the fact that if you get pledged on a bogus GPA and then the chapter has to drop you later because of your grades, chances may be that the chapter can't fill that spot and someone else who really wanted the chapter who did have the grades won't have the opportunity ... it's just a bad idea all the way around. We always find out in the end.

We had a big instance where a PNM lied and said she was a legacy to a certain sorority. She went the entire first semester stating this, when she went to go through recruitment and they checked out her app. info. it was found out. Needless to say she did not get extended a bid from any chapter at that time.

Also, we had a PNM who transferred from another school. She was actually a member of an org that wasn't on our campus, so she decided to rush again without telling anyone she was already a member. She ended up getting a bid from an org. but later she was asked to leave by their nationals when she was found out.

Moral of the stories....don't make stuff up and don't cover stuff up.

At my school, the chapters receive a copy of the PNM's actual application. Panhellenic will go through each application and verify the information with the PNM's transcripts. It's always hilarious to get a PNM's application with 3.8 GPA crossed out and a 2.5 GPA written next to it by Panhellenic. Or an application with a 1420 SAT score crossed out and a 1050 written beside it. It just makes you look really bad to the sororities and we don't want a a new member who is going to lie about themselves.
If your GPA leaves much to be desired for, explain the reason why during recruitment if the opportunity presents itself (only if the subject of grades happens to come up in conversation with a sister...DO NOT randomly start talking about your GPA). There could be a good reason for the low GPA and we would like to hear about it. Even if there's not, you can tell the sister what changes you're going to make in order to improve your GPA.
Sororities are all knowing and we will find out about your GPA, SAT and ACT score, and activities. Don't lie because it makes you look foolish.

Good advice...there was a PNM who claimed she was a legacy to a certain house...that house found out she was lying and released her...also, to all PNM, don't claim you are a legacy to a house that you are not a legacy...double check to make sure your great-great-great grandmother was an XYZ at Alpha College...being a pledge does not mean your relative was an initiated member.....:)

GPA??
 

whats the average high school gpa most sororities require for PNMs??

It depends on the school and the chapter at that school most of the time. For more info, contact the Greek Life Office at your school! :D

At IU, the first round of rush takes place in November and the rest happens in January. Semester grades come out in December and I believe Panhel gets a copy of rushees' transcripts. So there's no opportunity to lie.

Hahaha. . . this thread just reminded me of when I was a sophomore we had a girl come through formal rush from my high school who totally lied on her application. And we went to a pretty big high school in the area - I think there were girls from my high school in over half the sororities on campus. Anyway, she listed all sorts of activities on her application - everything from varisty soccer and basketball to editor in chief of both the newspaper and yearbook. Oh and I think she said she was student body president too. Except she didn't do anything in high school other than like one year of choir or soemthing. Word got around campus pretty fast and she got dropped from all houses.

Just a quick word about what PNM's put down as their GPA's and what Panhellenic says is their GPA. I know at Georgia State, many PNM's will put down their correct GPA, if ALL of their classes counted(including ones like Art, PE, Wood shop, etc). Panhellenic only counts their CORE classes, like math, english, history, and science. So, a PNM could have 3.6, with all her electives counting but when those get taken out, she drops to a 3.2 or something lower. So, don't nessesarily think they lied if its crossed off and a new GPA is written in. Just trust in your Panhell to get the GPA's right!
People lying on legacies is a WHOLE different story. I don't even want to TELL you the hours I spent on the phone last recruitment with AOII HQ trying to track down a girl who said she was an AOII legacy on her sheet but that we couldn't find. She wasn't a legacy and I was NOT happy!

Geez. It can be really tempting to "pump" your resume too. Guys, if you washed dishes at a homeless shelter over the summer, DO NOT put down that you " spearheaded a national campaign to fight homelessness" :rolleyes:

LOL, one of my sisters wanted me to send a notice to the Phoenix (our national mag) that she had been "Queen of the Golden Dawn." She didn't want to mention that Golden Dawn was a grocery store whose meat dept. she worked in over the summer. ;) :p

But Jocelyn's right - don't "pump" your resume.

Is it made clear to the PNMs that only their core classes count? I'd think it would be clarified on the rush application, what counts and what doesn't, so there is no confusion.

Whoa.:eek: I have heard at least 10 stories this year about PNMs lying about being legacies.

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I can't believe people would lie in order to get into a sorority.

We had this happen a few years ago at my school. I wasn't around but I've heard the story from my sisters who knew this girl. A girl went through rush with her hopes on only one house. Her stepmother was a member of aforementioned house, so she told all of the girls that she was a legacy. Even though some girls in that house didn't like her, they ended up having to give her a bid because she was a legacy. After she accepted her bid, and they were filling out paperwork for their nationals, they found out that she wasn't a legacy and weren't too happy about her. Moral of this story: check from your national HQ's or the girl's families if you have girls coming through rush claiming to be legacies.

I thought step families were considered legacies????

Steps for Alpha Xi Delta
 

Step children are legacies for Alpha Xi Delta but all glo have their own policies.

Re: Legacy
 

I'm really confused - who are "they"? The sorority? Panhel? Any rush applications I've seen ask not just if you are a legacy, but to what group and through who (i.e. my mom was a KKG, my sister was a DZ etc). Anytime I've met someone at rush who was a legacy they usually just said "my mom was a KD" or whatever. Point being is that I don't understand why anyone would be mad if you said straight out that your Greek connection was through your aunt.

Re: Re: Legacy
 

Agreed! Also, no one would tell you why you got cut... all sororities consider membership selection ritual, amalia17. Even if they did, I really doubt that that would be why they cut you. As 33girl said, schools in our area almost never have a legacy, so it would be no surprise if there was confusion over how to treat a legacy.

I think it more likely had to do with the fact that you're a post-bac. You did tell your rush saga on here, remember, and you never mentioned this detail before. Guess i'm confused as to why you come back to GC 7 months later to mention this? I don't mean to sound rude, i've had a very long, trying weekend, but in reading some of your past threads it seems like you've placed the blame for not getting a bid on everyone but yourself...

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I don't think that any of the sororities at SRU have rules that they MUST bid a legacy. They don't have anything to "save face" from.

Sorry to be blunt, but sour grapes like criticizing the sorority in question and your school's overall Greek system are not attractive.

It's even less attractive seven months later.

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I'd like to add just one more thing (for those who still think they can get away with a "little white lie" or two): your high school may have been big, and you may be going to a huge university - but the Greek System can and usually is very tight when it finds a liar or other undesirable character flaw!

True, and you anger one chapter, it will get around to the others.

I have a story just like that-- except my sorority is the one the girl transferred from and went to a nearby school where there was not an ADPi chapter. She went through rush and somebody caught on after she became a new member of the sorority and she was never initiated-- but it was a close call!

WHY PEOPLE- WHY??

I think that if someone does that or attempts to do that, then her membership should be revoked for both sororities, not just the one at her transfer school.

There was a girl in a chapter at my school (of a different sorority) that did that. She was a transfer student and had been in XYZ at the previous school. Since they didn't have a chapter at my school, she went through rush again and joined ABC. The girls of ABC all knew, but they initiated her anyways! From what I heard, the nationals of ABC didn't count her as an official member, but the girls of ABC all treated her as an active sister.

Why would you even initiate someone like that if you knew she was in another sorority?

My question is why their nationals didn't tan their butts (figuratively speaking). That's a violation of NPC rules and to think that a national would just kind of wink at it makes me ill. I'm hoping they didn't have a clue and this girl was just hidden when the traveling consultants came around.

I heard of this ONCE on my campus, where a girl transferred from another school and her org. was not at Illinois. I know she paid dues and did social events with a chapter there. She did not participate in ritual or rush, just sisterhood and social stuff. On one hand, I would think this would be okay, but it seems like it *may* have opened the door for an RM nightmare if anything had happened to her and she was not covered by insurance.

Oh goody, this debate again.

Y'all, it is REALLY REALLY HARD to be a transfer student. If you haven't been one, you probably can't even begin to understand how much it sucks. The girls who double initiate aren't saying "Oh, I'm going to screw Gamma Phi over and become a DG," they are girls who miss their sisters and miss the social life and structure.

It's really easy to criticize something you don't understand.

I know that many NPCs, including Gamma Phi, allow "social affiliation" as discussed above.

Pretty much, if a girl is ABC somewhere else, transfers to a school where there is no ABC, but she gets to know some XYZs and loves them and wants to continue being involved in greek life, XYZ can vote her into social affiliation. The only thing the girl is excluded from is rituals. Philanthropy, social, etc. is all allowed under social affiliation.