Having Lil Bros & Sis's in different Organizations
 

Hey all...i wanted to know how many of you at your schools intertwine having lil bros & sis's from differnt fraternities and sororities other than your own. if i don't make sense i mean for example ...myself being a pi phi and having a Phi delta Theta big brother and a lil brother in Kappa Sig, or a lil DG sis as well as one in Pi Phi. I know schools in Idaho and Washington do this...but at the University of Utah we only have lil sis's with in our own sorority. And how do you get that going on campus? b.c. i think it's a great way to meet more people other than your usual hangouts.

pi phi love,
...colleen*

Oh yes...
 

The Big Sis/Little Sis/Big Bro/Little Bro system is HUGE on my campus...

Most of us take it very seriously...

I have my own big bro - as well as my big SIS who is a DELTA GAMMA...

I also have an unofficial little sis' from Alpha Phi - but she won't be official until she is initiated...

All "littles" are initiated...

In our chapter, we have initiations for all bigs/littles...

Usually, you have to "EARN" it... ;)

Personally, I take my big brother/big sister relationships very seriously, as do they...

I literally love my big sister, and we treat each other just like family... Being protective and close and all...
I love her whole house as well! The guys in my house know me as the male Delta Gamma! LOL! :) The DG's here are hot, classy, and nice...

I even take my "Twin" relationship seriously...
If you don't know, a twin is another "little" of your "big"... If you can follow that... In my case, my twin is the little sis of my big sis... therefore we are twins...

I literally love my twin from Delta Gamma... We treat each other like brother and sister, and are very close as well...

Having bigs, littles, and twins from sororities (in the case of fraternity guys) does a lot... You are sort of part of that house, are known as a little bro of that house, and know a whole lot of the sisters in that house...

It's a special system - and it thrives very strong on our campus... A lot of times people refer to themselves as "so and so's little bro/little sis."


It would only be appropriate to end this post with:
"HOT DAMN DELTA GAM!!!"

GO BEACH!!!

Auxillary programs such as big or lil brothers or sisters are highly discouraged within the NPC. Most of them were done away with in the 90s. I know that many campuses continue to have them, most sub rosa, but they are frowned upon.

SurfinDBeach,

It's funny that you mention that, because when I was a collegiate at LB from 93-98 (5 year plan!- they lie about 4, but I digress) it wasn't a big deal at all. No one did that stuff, or if they did it was small time.

Quite honestly I think it is a bad idea. I've seen what it's done...and some women who get involved in "programs" like that tend to give more time to the fraternity than they do to their own org. I wish someone would come in and clean house with that at Long Beach. Most (inter)national organizations, at least from the women's side discourage that behavior. I wish they did it more.

This is AOIIs policy on it. http://www.alphaomicronpi.org/conten...biglittle.html

We have a similar big sis program (Sigma Nu does not have little sis's). We'll have big sis's in various sororities. They buy us stuff, so it's an okay deal.

No.. not just for the presents. They do stuff as well. It's been a good program. I never had a "big" or anything.

Oh. Sorry if I came off as condescending. I just get tired of seeing girls wearing the letters of the frats instead of their own. Kinda sad.

SAI is not allowed to have big/lil bros.

We don't have littles. Nah it's cool though. What you end up with more than anything are guys wearing a sorority's t-shirts and having gifts that say XYZ loves ΣN.

Yeah...
 

Well, most orgs don't officially recognize or encourage these types of programs...

But the reality is, it happens...

For many who are involved, it's very rewarding...

Of course, there are those of you who don't care for it... And that's okay... That's your right...

But it does happen...

It's ironic that there's 2 LBSU greeks here that frown upon it...

There are more than 1 AOPI big sis's in TKE here... One of them you might know...
But those are usually the few guys who talk to AOPi's...

I don't even think we have any Sigma Kappas in our big/little programs... We don't really hang out with Sigma Kappas...

And I don't mean to sound condescending either, but I can almost guarantee that you would appreciate it more if you had a big bro from a fraternity that you really liked hanging out with...

If you don't have one, then of course, it gets annoying...

I do know that the other "big" sororities on our campus participate very much in these programs... Including my Big Sis's... Delta Gamm of course...

I just got my little bro (who was a pledge this last spring) a GPhiB big sis, and they take it VERY SERIOUSLY...

But yeah, i'm totally aware that on a national level, it's not looked highly upon... But it does happen, and people do benefit from it...


BUT NO, I DO NOT WEAR Delta Gamma LETTERS! That would make me look gay... The relationship and what we share is enough for me!

GO BEACH!!!

At my school, big/lil sis/bro's who are in other house are just that. Someone who you look up to, or someone who looks out for you. We don't have "lil sis groups" or anything like that. I have lil B's in 3 different houses because I look out for these guys like my own little brothers, and we are close as well. I know many people who do this, more to show a closeness and friendship than pick an association with a paticular house. Most people I know who have bigs and lils also have them from a range of houses. I also happen to know that for one of my lil b's, I am not his only big sis. This just means he happens to be close to people in two houses. Hope this isn't too confusing.

This does not in any way allow you to wear their letters, as I hope you'd have a respect for their house rather than just wanting a sweatshirt.

The "programs" used to be huge on my campus, I will say that, with fraternity composites containing a whole row of lil sis's. Now, it has passed onto a much more informal thing.

little sisters
 

'spose SAE and TKE had the most little sister groups in the 60s.
it was a lose-lose situation, divisive as the devil, and did little to
enhance the system.
Then you had independents as little sisters, and so on.
The usage of "frat" is or at least was, usually frowned upon and
used by ignorant reporters and their ilk.
But I am of an older generation. The come-and-go little sister
outfits will come and go and leave bad feelings in the long haul.

The primary reason that these arrangements are discouraged by the inter/national groups is because it can jeopardize our single sex organizational status. If we don't follow careful guidelines, we'll all be intermixed organizations. As ridiculous as it seems, even the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts have to face this challenge.

Also, when GLOs started really cracking down on hazing, we saw an insurgence of "cross-hazing", where they simply had another GLO haze their pledges for them. This was often done under the auspices of "little sis/bro-big sis/bro" type arrangements.

Dee

I have an Alpha Phi big sis. Its fun, they give us stuff to wear on campus (I had to wear a sash, it was hella funny) but its not like a hazing type of thing. Im sure if its campus-wide but every new guy in SigEp at Sac gets a Big sis as well as a big bro..

Tau Beta Sigma and Kappa Kappa Psi have a joint ritual where we get littles from the opposite organization. Since we're a sister-brother joint bonded organization, though, it's to be expected.

By the size of the different MC classes, I ended up with one little sister in TBS and six little brothers in KKY. :)

We do NOT, however, wear anything of the opposite organization. Only our own. The littles ceremony is simply something to bond the two chapters together in our common interest of music.

~ Mel.

On my campus 3 out of the 4 fraternities have lil sis programs, only 1 allows their lil sis's to wear their letters. (I just don't believe in that...unless you're pinned...just my opinion)
If you're a single girl when you become a lil sis you're more of a "rush tool", if you're hot, rushees will naturally go towards the fraternity w/the hottest girls that hang around. (You know it's true! ;) )

Of the sororities, 3 of the 5 have lil bro programs, mine included. I have a lil bro named Matt who is a TKE from Shawnee Sate, he's my boy and I love to spoil him! I also have a big bro in a fraternity, it's not that serious though, at least for them. When we have lil bro's go through they wear a "Lambda loincloth", hehehe, gotta love it :D

Some orgs here take it pretty seriously and have an actual pledging process they have to go through. Us, well, it last about a couple days and is more fun than anything.

Wow, I'll bet a lot of the national officers of NPC sororities are just kicking themselves right now because their groups went on record as disapproving little brother and little sister organizations! Luckily some of them are having conventions this summer; maybe some delegates can bring this issue up.

One question, though: what if a "single girl" is not "hot"? You know, kind of normal, pleasant, intelligent, that sort of junk. Is there any way she can be a "rush tool" too, or would she be expected to hang out with her sorority sisters or other friends and stay completely out of the picture during fraternity rush?

They don't have NPC groups on the campus in question.

Re: Oh yes...
 

We call them twiddles. :D

I go to Kent, and Im a Phi Delt. My big sister is an AZD, and I think its a cool lil program. :-D

Hey JocelynC:

What Phi Delts/Tri Sigs?

My big bro is a TKE. We're a funny combo though.....he's younger than me and pledged a year after I did but we like it! I also dated his older brother...:p

Re: Yeah...
 

Perhaps you're right. It is a shame though that my sorority doesn't really hang out that often with you guys. It's no ones fault really but it really does suck to realize that I'm talking to someone online that is in the same Greek system I'm in yet I don't really know anyone from your organization.

Also, perhaps you're right. I don't have any big bros nor am I anyones lil sis from a frat so perhaps you have to be on the other side of the coin to see what it's all about.

In order to amend this, I'm on AOL a lot (wedgiemunster) and if you have an AIM name, share it with me so perhaps we can actually talk & I can finally get to know some TKE's from Long Beach. Just the other day I was at the Dodger game wearing my letters & ended up meeting some really nice Sigma Pi's from LB there. I never knew any of them but now I know at least 3. Hopefully, we'll get to actually start to get together more often instead of sticking to our "regular" partners. TKE's & DG's. SK's & Theta Chi's.
Look me up so I can make a new TKE friend! Remember, I'm wedgiemunster.

http://www.csulb.edu/org/sigmakappa

at my school, we are deathly serious about our greek fams..

like i have a big n a lil in my sorority (luv u big maya n lil shocker!!)
and i also have a big bro in aepi and zbt

u can catch us alot running around saying hey grand big or hey uncle and its insane

also the twin situations are serious hehe..me and my twins through my aepi big bro are so tight..like i have a twin sis in dphie n 3 twin bros in aepi

Yeah Hannahgirl!
 

you go Hannahgirl! TKE and DG baby!!! That's what i'm talking about!!!

GO BEACH!!!

Re: Having Lil Bros & Sis's in different Organizations
 

Hi Colleen,

Technically Pi Phi is not supposed to do Big Brother/Little Brother programs with members of men's organizations. Pretty much for the reasons AGDee said. There's a Policy and Position Statement that explains more about it if you're curious.

Yeah, I also have a twin, and I have 3 little brothers. Two of which were twins (fall) and the other one I just got last semester.

I have an odd family tree.. it's not really a tree.. more like a Greek Bush ;)

I have my DG big sis Trisha..
I have a Theta Chi big bro Javier who is my big sis's lil bro.. thus my twin and big bro (haha yes confusing)
I have Theta Chi twins: Evan (big sis' lil), Prat (big bro's lil)
I have a big bro Josh in Sigma Nu
I have a grandbig Greg in FIJI (big sis' big bro)
I have a grandbig Anthony in BETA (big sis' big bro)
I have a twin Sher in BETA (big sis's lil)
I have a "Panhellenic Big Sis".. Gina from Delta Zeta who is the reason I rushed. :)

and I have a bunch of honorary family members.. yeah craziness..