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The1calledTKE 06-15-2004 05:51 PM

A fox news reporter says 'Fahrenheit 9/11' is a "brilliant piece of work"
 
'Fahrenheit 9/11' Gets Standing Ovations

The crowd that gave Michael Moore's controversial "Fahrenheit 9/11" a standing ovation last night at the Ziegfeld Theatre premiere certainly didn't have to be encouraged at all to show their appreciation. From liberal radio host and writer Al Franken to actor/director Tim Robbins, Moore was in his element. But once "F9/11" gets to audiences beyond screenings, it won't be dependent on celebrities for approbation. It turns out to be a really brilliant piece of work, and a film that members of all political parties should see without fail.

As much as some might try to marginalize this film as a screed against President George Bush, "F9/11" — as we saw last night — is a tribute to patriotism, to the American sense of duty, and at the same time a indictment of stupidity and avarice. Readers of this column may recall that I had a lot of problems with Moore's "Bowling for Columbine," particularly where I thought he took gratuitous shots at helpless targets like Charlton Heston. "Columbine" too easily succeeded by shooting fish in a barrel, as they used to say. Not so with "F9/11," which instead relies on lots of film footage and actual interviews to make its case against the war in Iraq and tell the story of the intertwining histories of the Bush and Bin Laden families.

First, I know you want to know who came to the Ziegfeld, so here is just a partial list. Besides Franken and Robbins, Al Sharpton, Mike Myers, Tony Bennett, Glenn Close, Gretchen Mol (newly married over the weekend to director Todd Williams), Lori Singer, Tony Kushner, "Angela's Ashes" author Frank McCourt, Jill Krementz and Kurt Vonnegut, Lauren Bacall (chatting up a fully refurbished Lauren Hutton), Richard Gere, John McEnroe and Patti Smythe, former Carter cabinet member and ambassador Richard Holbrooke, Carson Daly, NBC's Jeff Zucker, a very pregnant Rory Kennedy, playwright Israel Horovitz, Macaulay Culkin, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Kyra Sedgwick, Linda Evangelista, Ed Bradley, Tom and Meredith Brokaw, director Barry Levinson, NBC anchor Brian Williams, Vernon Jordan, Eva Mendez, Sandra Bernhard and the always humorous Joy Behar.

If that's not enough, how about Yoko Ono, accompanied by her son, Sean, who's let his hair grow out and is now sporting a bushy beard that makes him look like his late, beloved father John Lennon?

And then, just to show you how much people wanted to see this film, there was Martha Stewart, looking terrific. I mean, talk about eclectic groups!

Now, unless you've been living under a rock you know that this movie has been the cause of a lot of trouble. Miramax and Disney have gone to war over it, and "The Passion of the Christ" seems like "Mary Poppins" in retrospect. Before anyone's even seen it, there have been partisan debates over which way Moore may have spun this or that to get a desired effect.

But, really, in the end, not seeing "F9/11" would be like allowing your first amendment rights to be abrogated, no matter whether you're a Republican or a Democrat. The film does Bush no favors, that's for sure, but it also finds an unexpectedly poignant and universal groove in the story of Lila Lipscombe, a Flint, Michigan mother who sends her kids into the Army for the opportunities it can provide — just like the commercials say — and lives to regret it. Lipscombe's story is so powerful, and so completely Middle American, that I think it will take Moore's critics by surprise. She will certainly move to tears everyone who encounters her.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_frien...122678,00.html

Wow did hell freeze over or did they hire someone liberal? lol

Kevin 06-15-2004 06:24 PM

They're just being "Fair and Balanced" -- or maybe Fox has a stake in the distribution firm that is distributing the movie?

cuaphi 06-15-2004 06:28 PM

Re: A fox news reporter says 'Fahrenheit 9/11' is a "brilliant piece of work"
 
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Originally posted by The1calledTKE
Readers of this column may recall that I had a lot of problems with Moore's "Bowling for Columbine," particularly where I thought he took gratuitous shots at helpless targets like Charlton Heston. "Columbine" too easily succeeded by shooting fish in a barrel, as they used to say. Not so with "F9/11," which instead relies on lots of film footage and actual interviews to make its case against the war in Iraq and tell the story of the intertwining histories of the Bush and Bin Laden families.
Interesting. I thought Bowling for Columbine was thought provoking but definitely one sided. And I am a liberal. We'll have to see how this one comes out.

Pike1483 06-16-2004 06:12 PM

Fox news does have some liberals, like Alan Colmes. They really are "Fair and Balanced" unlike CNN and CBS. Haven't seen the movie, and don't plan to because I don't want to contribute any money to a liberal fanatic moron like Michael Moore.

sigtau305 06-16-2004 06:16 PM

Re: Re: A fox news reporter says 'Fahrenheit 9/11' is a "brilliant piece of work"
 
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Originally posted by cuaphi
Interesting. I thought Bowling for Columbine was thought provoking but definitely one sided. And I am a liberal. We'll have to see how this one comes out.
I haven't seen "Bowling for Columbine". But I might rent it out.

damasa 06-16-2004 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by Pike1483
Fox news does have some liberals, like Alan Colmes. They really are "Fair and Balanced" unlike CNN and CBS. Haven't seen the movie, and don't plan to because I don't want to contribute any money to a liberal fanatic moron like Michael Moore.
HAHA. Dude, you said Fox news does have "some liberals" and you name one? Alan Colmes seems to be more middle of the road than anything else. His book was also quite bland.

sugar and spice 06-16-2004 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by damasa
HAHA. Dude, you said Fox news does have "some liberals" and you name one? Alan Colmes seems to be more middle of the road than anything else. His book was also quite bland.
Colmes is not only a moderate by society's standards, but he's described himself as such. If anything, Colmes is proof of Fox's unbalanced reporting -- how else could you describe a show where the conservative vs. liberal showdown takes place between a conservative and a moderate? ;)

Rudey 06-16-2004 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by sugar and spice
Colmes is not only a moderate by society's standards, but he's described himself as such. If anything, Colmes is proof of Fox's unbalanced reporting -- how else could you describe a show where the conservative vs. liberal showdown takes place between a conservative and a moderate? ;)
But Fox is the least biased...

-Rudey

damasa 06-16-2004 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
But Fox is the least biased...

-Rudey

I'll agree with that (I read your other post about the survey but I didn't post).

I have no problem owning up to the fact that liberal media is very biased. Eventhough Fox is least biased they are still biased in my eyes and it's sickening that people continue to claim this "fair and balanced" bs.

Anyway, I'll give you three points.

Corsulian 06-16-2004 07:29 PM

It bothers me that people just lump together 'liberal' and 'conservative' as the two defining viewpoints of everything. It's a diverse world, there's no need for dichotomy.
And "Bowling for Columbine" did not have with it an anti-gun thesis. Michael Moore does, but the movie did not. The scene with Charleton Heston didn't support the rest of the movie so much as it allowed Moore to be a jackass.

sugar and spice 06-17-2004 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
But Fox is the least biased...

-Rudey

I didn't check the survey results you posted, but needless to say, other surveys on the same topic have shown mixed results, so I'm not going to weigh in one way or another. Like I've said before, I imagine that many news networks do present news in a way that is liberally-skewed, but that the skewing comes from the reporters' personal bias (reason poll result: only 7 percent of journalists consider themselves conservative; the rest are self-described moderates and liberals) rather than executive orders (which many have claimed, both justly and unjustly, is the case with Fox).

At any rate, my previous point was just pointing out that Colmes is hardly a liberal and doesn't even see himself as one. If Fox News is truly the least biased of all major news networks, there should be better examples of their "balanced coverage" than him.

Rudey 06-17-2004 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sugar and spice
I didn't check the survey results you posted, but needless to say, other surveys on the same topic have shown mixed results, so I'm not going to weigh in one way or another. Like I've said before, I imagine that many news networks do present news in a way that is liberally-skewed, but that the skewing comes from the reporters' personal bias (reason poll result: only 7 percent of journalists consider themselves conservative; the rest are self-described moderates and liberals) rather than executive orders (which many have claimed, both justly and unjustly, is the case with Fox).

At any rate, my previous point was just pointing out that Colmes is hardly a liberal and doesn't even see himself as one. If Fox News is truly the least biased of all major news networks, there should be better examples of their "balanced coverage" than him.

I posted a study by academics, not a survey. Other surveys on the same topic? Please point them out. Or you could just leave it as is and drop this whole Fox is super biased bullshit.

-Rudey

sugar and spice 06-17-2004 02:33 PM

Honey, please. You're a smart kid. You know that one study based on limited variables does not tell the entire story, especially in cases like this where there are so many variables being ignored.

For example, Al Franken did an "academic study" for his most recent book that "proved" that the so-called liberal media was much tougher on Al Gore than they were on GWB in their 2000 election coverage. Am I not supposed to take that with a grain of salt?

You're not even arguing the same point that I'm arguing. Like I said, I'm not arguing that other news station might not be biased -- maybe even more so than Fox. What I have an issue with is that Fox still tells its viewers that its coverage is "fair and balanced" despite the reports that keep piling up from former Fox employees that they are told to spin stories with a conservative slant. If Fox came out and said, "Hey, we're supposed to be a conservative alternative to the rest of the liberal media," I'd be totally fine with that.

Rudey 06-17-2004 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sugar and spice
Honey, please. You're a smart kid. You know that one study based on limited variables does not tell the entire story, especially in cases like this where there are so many variables being ignored.

For example, Al Franken did an "academic study" for his most recent book that "proved" that the so-called liberal media was much tougher on Al Gore than they were on GWB in their 2000 election coverage. Am I not supposed to take that with a grain of salt?

You're not even arguing the same point that I'm arguing. Like I said, I'm not arguing that other news station might not be biased -- maybe even more so than Fox. What I have an issue with is that Fox still tells its viewers that its coverage is "fair and balanced" despite the reports that keep piling up from former Fox employees that they are told to spin stories with a conservative slant. If Fox came out and said, "Hey, we're supposed to be a conservative alternative to the rest of the liberal media," I'd be totally fine with that.

I'm telling you that you have no studies sweety.

-Rudey

KellyB369 06-17-2004 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pike1483
Fox news does have some liberals, like Alan Colmes. They really are "Fair and Balanced" unlike CNN and CBS. Haven't seen the movie, and don't plan to because I don't want to contribute any money to a liberal fanatic moron like Michael Moore.
I want to see it but I don't want to contribute any money to him either. I can get around that with Pledged by getting it at the library, but it will take a lot longer for "F 9/11" to get to the library.

phigamucsb 06-18-2004 07:34 PM

Michael Moore is a heartless moron and proved so by picking on Charlton Heston. C'mon the poor man has Alzheimer's disease. Michael Moore believes that the wealthy should pay a tax rate of 80-90%, which is absolutely ridiculous. People should pay no attention to the extremists on both sides (i.e. Michael Moore, Al Franken, Jerry Falwell, etc.) In my opinion, extremists make each side look foolish.

Kevin 06-18-2004 07:36 PM

Extremists make for good news.

James 06-18-2004 10:00 PM

A 10 percent flat tax rate on incomes over 50 thousand a year without deductions or exceptions would net more income for the federal government than what we do now.

But thats a really conservative idea.

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Originally posted by phigamucsb
Michael Moore is a heartless moron and proved so by picking on Charlton Heston. C'mon the poor man has Alzheimer's disease. Michael Moore believes that the wealthy should pay a tax rate of 80-90%, which is absolutely ridiculous. People should pay no attention to the extremists on both sides (i.e. Michael Moore, Al Franken, Jerry Falwell, etc.) In my opinion, extremists make each side look foolish.

Kevin 06-18-2004 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by James
A 10 percent flat tax rate on incomes over 50 thousand a year without deductions or exceptions would net more income for the federal government than what we do now.

But thats a really conservative idea.

Nice.

Do you realize how much unemployment that alone would create though?

Accountants, tax lawyers, IRS agents..

James 06-18-2004 10:17 PM

Bless your heart, you are so much nicer than I am . . . I can't seem to find it in my heart to be upset that Tax lawyers are out of work . . . they will have to start chasing ambulances :)

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Originally posted by ktsnake
Nice.

Do you realize how much unemployment that alone would create though?

Accountants, tax lawyers, IRS agents..


Kevin 06-18-2004 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by James
Bless your heart, you are so much nicer than I am . . . I can't seem to find it in my heart to be upset that Tax lawyers are out of work . . . they will have to start chasing ambulances :)
I know a very nice tax attorney :D

I think he went onto oil and gas though. I personally don't like the fact that we have to hire out experts just to figure out what we have to pay the government.

It shouldn't be that damned hard. I don't think that's a Republican or Democrat idea.. it's not conservative or liberal.. it just makes too much sense to happen.

Peaches-n-Cream 06-19-2004 12:15 AM

I could go for a 10% flat tax. :)

Optimist Prime 06-21-2004 01:24 AM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
They're just being "Fair and Balanced" -- or maybe Fox has a stake in the distribution firm that is distributing the movie?
No, I think Disney distributed this one. At least, I remember contrversy surrounding this film and Michael Eisner. haha, he's such a dumb ass.

KSigkid 06-21-2004 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by Optimist Prime
No, I think Disney distributed this one. At least, I remember contrversy surrounding this film and Michael Eisner. haha, he's such a dumb ass.
No, Disney didn't distribute the movie...that's a whole other story though...

I think there's a thread already on the topic.

The1calledTKE 07-18-2004 11:51 AM

Lol this is from the onion

http://theonion.com/images/391/image...75_418x445.jpg

krazy 07-19-2004 06:52 PM

I think the FNC reporter meant it was a good film. Which it was, it wasn't factual, but Moore never said it was 100% factual. Plus, Fox News Channel was the first cable news network to come out and give an honest report on the movie.

adduncan 07-19-2004 07:16 PM

Contrary to some simplistic ideas about FNC, Fox does have some liberal commentators on its staff. Friedman is one of them, if you follow his columns on foxnews.com

That is all.
:)

--add

IowaStatePhiPsi 07-19-2004 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
Fox is super biased
I could be a media outlet as I can take things out of context. :D

Rudey 07-19-2004 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
I could be a media outlet as I can take things out of context. :D
Except you might want to take the sentence out of context and not just a few words. There is a difference.

-Rudey
--And I await the day people can stop spazzing about Fox since they have no evidence at all

IowaStatePhiPsi 07-19-2004 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Except you might want to take the sentence out of context and not just a few words. There is a difference.

-Rudey

depends on how biased I want to be.

Rudey 07-19-2004 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
depends on how biased I want to be.
No it wouldn't.

And if you wanted to be less biased you would be Fox I suppose.

-Rudey

krazy 07-20-2004 02:23 PM

People love to follow the lead of the great showboaters like Franken and Moore.

They just herd like sheep around them, it is sickening.

Watch the nets and see how liberal they are, they are so leftist that they make FNC appear conservative.

DOn't you think it is a little weird that Franken is so obsessed with smearing the name of FNC? Why would he devote his life to that cause? He is still talking about the lawsuit. I would have tried to sue him too. Why is that a problem, he bases his life on slander.


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