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Pike1483 06-09-2004 02:08 AM

Desperate Clinton Upset About Not Speaking at Reagan Funeral
 
Former President and Cigar-enthusiast Bill Clinton is apparently angry that he was not invited to speak at the late, great President Reagan's Funeral. Well guess what Bill? This one is NOT ABOUT YOU!!! This is not a photo-opt, even though so many of your democrat friends will use it as one; this is a FUNERAL!

I think Clinton is just angry and desperate that he will always be remembered for his scandals, not his politics, and he is looking for anyway he can to save-face and look good to the public. This funeral has been planned long before Reagan died, and it is not a "partisan" event because Clinton was not invited to speak. Clinton was not invited to speak because he is not a sitting president, and the family of the late Reagan DOES NOT WANT Clinton to speak at the funeral. It's the family's choice! Clinton, like many democrats either hated or strongly disliked President Reagan, and he should be lucky he even gets to go to the funeral.

Furthermore, all of the speakers who have been asked to speak, were very close to Reagan, and have legitimate reasons to speak. Margaret Thatcher considered Reagan one of her closest political allies and friends. The former Prime Minister of Canada also considered Reagan a friend and confidant. It's obvious why George H.W. Bush is speaking-- because he was Reagan's Vice President!!!
And George W. Bush is speaking because he is the current sitting President.
Clinton needs to grow up and realize that the world doesn't revolve around him, and has no legitimate reasons to speak. And to imply that this is a partisan event is ludacrist.


XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE JUNE 08, 2004 11:02:52 ET XXXXX
CLINTON DISAPPOINTMENT: LEFT OFF FUNERAL SPEAKERS LIST

Former President Bill Clinton has privately expressed anger he has apparently been left off the speakers list of Friday's Reagan State Funeral, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

"President Clinton really held out all hope the funeral would be a nonpartisan event, like Nixon's was," a top Clinton source said on Tuesday morning. "He's angry and disappointed neither he nor President Carter have been asked to speak, as of yet."

The top source says Clinton has been critical that both Bush presidents will address the crowd gathered at National Cathedral.

Nixon's vice president Gerald Ford did not speak at Nixon's funeral.

Clinton's inner circle is convinced Nancy Reagan has personally shut out Clinton from any high-profile participation.

"It is a state funeral, using tax dollars," the top Clinton insider explained.

Former President George H.W. Bush, former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and former Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney will join President Bush in eulogizing Ronald Reagan, Reagan's office announced. Presiding over the service will be former Sen. John Danforth of Missouri, who is an ordained Episcopal priest. Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor and the Rabbi Harold Kusher will give readings, while Irish tenor Ronan Tynan will sing.

The eulogy is being prepared by President Bush's chief speechwriter, Michael Gerson, who also wrote the president's moving speech for a memorial service in the same cathedral after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

mu_agd 06-09-2004 07:03 AM

if you're going to get all worked up over people criticizing Reagan, then i don't think it's all that wise of you to criticize other presidents.

Unregistered- 06-09-2004 07:26 AM

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Originally posted by mu_agd
if you're going to get all worked up over people criticizing Reagan, then i don't think it's all that wise of you to criticize other presidents.
But Nic...don't ya know? It's easier to call the kettle black! :D

The1calledTKE 06-09-2004 07:55 AM

Lol and this came from the Drudge report as well. Thats almost like getting a scoop from Rush's site.

Kevin 06-09-2004 07:56 AM

Poor guy. But look on the bright side for him. He's getting all this free pub because of his bellyaching. To force yourself in (or even try to) in order to speak at someone's funeral is just plain wrong.

Bill needs to check his ego.

DZHBrown 06-09-2004 08:06 AM

There's no reason for Clinton to speak. He wasn't a personal friend of Reagan as the Bush presidents were.

DeltAlum 06-09-2004 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by The1calledTKE
Lol and this came from the Drudge report as well. Thats almost like getting a scoop from Rush's site.
Drudge is a joke. What is amazing is that people read that garbage and run with it like it came down from the mountain on stone tablets.

PhiPsiRuss 06-09-2004 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Drudge is a joke. What is amazing is that people read that garbage and run with it like it came down from the mountain on stone tablets.
Anything that is in writing is assumed, by so many people, to be absolutely true.

Munchkin03 06-09-2004 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
Anything that is in writing is assumed, by so many people, to be absolutely true.
I guess as per the original post.

It amazes me that so many of you are so terribly partisan, and often with little experience with life and the political process. It's not the party, it's the issue.

33girl 06-09-2004 10:35 AM

If this is true, Clinton's being absolutely ridiculous. I would say the same if it was the other way around and Bush the Elder was pitching a bitch about not speaking at Clinton's funeral.

And Nixon's funeral was a WHOLE different story than Reagan's, so I wouldn't even go there. I don't think he was particularly close to Ford, and he (Ford) might have made the decision not to speak himself.

Diamond Delta 06-09-2004 10:46 AM

Clinton is an ego maniac. This is a funeral people, not a partisan event, baby kissing, hand shaking photo op. Clinton didn't even like Reagan-at all-why did he even attentd? Oh wait....photographers may be there.....:rolleyes:

angelove 06-09-2004 10:51 AM

Clinton is just pouty because Reagan's death is taking some press attention away from his new book.

mu_agd 06-09-2004 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by OohTeenyWahine
But Nic...don't ya know? It's easier to call the kettle black! :D
i guess i must have skipped the class that tought that! :p

Rudey 06-09-2004 11:13 AM

Why does Clinton care? He's busy leading the black community from his Harlem office and that night he's having a fundraiser for the community.

-Rudey
--No he's just riding on their backs.

AlphaGamDiva 06-09-2004 11:37 AM

even though this info is from drudge, i'll bite b/c it wouldn't surprise me if clinton was acting this way.

he needs to cool his jets. if the statement that Mrs. Reagan has something to do directly with him not speaking, then he needs to respect that. when it comes down to it, the ppl that watch this funeral and are moved by it aren't going to want to see clinton either. this brings to mind something jay leno showed on the tonight show a few years back (when clinton was President). i forget whose funeral he was at, but there was a clip (a real one) where he was walking out of the church with 2 other gentlemen and he was laughing and carrying on, but as soon as he saw the camera on him, he changed his look to this melodramatic sad crying face.......it was amusing. :rolleyes:

Love_Spell_6 06-09-2004 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Drudge is a joke. What is amazing is that people read that garbage and run with it like it came down from the mountain on stone tablets.
YEP! Just like the New York Times.:p

ASTATEPIKE 06-09-2004 02:01 PM

Clinton
 
The Nixon funeral was apparently "non-partisan" because Clinton spoke (as all sitting Presidents have done before him), He's not in office now, He has no reason to speak.

If Nancy Reagan wants to have a purple dinosaur give the eulogy - it's up to her, b/c Reagan was.............you guessed it...............HER Husband.

KillarneyRose 06-09-2004 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Why does Clinton care? He's busy leading the black community from his Harlem office and that night he's having a fundraiser for the community.

-Rudey
--No he's just riding on their backs.


He works out of Harlem? I thought I remembered reading that Clinton took offices in some post midtown office building after he left office?

Pike1483 06-09-2004 02:46 PM

Okay, I will agree that Drudge is not the most credible, but that's just the first thing that popped up when I was trying to get an internet artical about the funeral. I've heard from several other credible newsources like Sean Hannity, and fox news, that Clinton is angry about not being asked to speak at the funeral. Of course he is! He's got a book coming out, and his wife wants to be President, and his only legacy is sexual acts with at fat chick in the oval office.

Rudey 06-09-2004 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by KillarneyRose
He works out of Harlem? I thought I remembered reading that Clinton took offices in some post midtown office building after he left office?
He took the Harlem office after the midtown office had a rent close to 800K and the Harlem office was about 1/3-1/4 of that. It was a big scandal. He's never in that office anyway and he's part of the gentrification movement that pushes blacks out of the area - the same blacks he says he's friends of.

-Rudey
--But their house in Westchester I hear is nice.

The1calledTKE 06-09-2004 05:41 PM

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com.../r32060673.jpg

Best Buds?

And yes it's just a joke I am not saying they were ever friends.

Lady Pi Phi 06-09-2004 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by Pike1483
Okay, I will agree that Drudge is not the most credible, but that's just the first thing that popped up when I was trying to get an internet artical about the funeral. I've heard from several other credible newsources like Sean Hannity, and fox news, that Clinton is angry about not being asked to speak at the funeral. Of course he is! He's got a book coming out, and his wife wants to be President, and his only legacy is sexual acts with at fat chick in the oval office.
Hey! Say what you want about Clinton, but big girls need lovin' too!

Munchkin03 06-09-2004 07:06 PM

Pike,

Have you ever voted in a presidential election?

I thought so.

Peaches-n-Cream 06-10-2004 12:05 AM

Why do I doubt the veracity of this story?

honeychile 06-10-2004 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
Hey! Say what you want about Clinton, but big girls need lovin' too!
One of the best laughs of the evening!!!! :D

DeltAlum 06-10-2004 09:52 AM

You know, I don't know why there is so much animosity in these discussions.

I caught a part of George H.W. and Barbara Bush on Larry King last night and he was saying what a nice conversation he, George W. and Bill Clinton had at the opening of the World War II Memorial recently. They just talked about general stuff and some old anecdotes.

Former Presidents of the United States are perhaps the smallest "fraternity" in the world -- and they always seem to value each other views and advice -- no matter which party they represent. That is especially true in times of crisis.

All of the rhetoric during the campaigns is pretty much that. Don't you ever wonder why, as soon as the election is over, usually everyone congratulates everyone else and the Republic goes on?

It's because, in the end, we're a whole lot more alike than different.

Finally, to end my little tirade, I find it disgusting that even the death of a great leader becomes grounds for attacking other leaders and contenders. I think that dilutes all of the good things and memories of the deceased.

For people like Drudge, Limbaugh, and the "liberal" guy (Rall(?), I've never even heard of him) are comtemptable for using this occassion for either political purposes -- or to simply advance their own agenda.

Pike1483 06-11-2004 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Munchkin03
Pike,

Have you ever voted in a presidential election?

I thought so.

Woah, munckin, you sure showed me! Because I am young, I now retract all my statements on politics and will go back to watching the MTV and slacking. We would hate to have young people in America who try to be informed and involved in politics.

Munchkin03 06-11-2004 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pike1483
Woah, munckin, you sure showed me! Because I am young, I now retract all my statements on politics and will go back to watching the MTV and slacking. We would hate to have young people in America who try to be informed and involved in politics.
There's a difference between being informed and being polemical. You show no real knowledge of the American political process, and it just seems like you are supporting the GOP 'cause someone told you to or 'cause it's cool in your frat.

ADPiAkron 06-11-2004 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by DZHBrown
There's no reason for Clinton to speak. He wasn't a personal friend of Reagan as the Bush presidents were.
Ditto!

Quote:

If this is true, Clinton's being absolutely ridiculous. I would say the same if it was the other way around and Bush the Elder was pitching a bitch about not speaking at Clinton's funeral.
And ditto!

DeltAlum 06-11-2004 09:51 AM

So, out of curiousity, where else has anyone seen this alleged story? I haven't seen it anywhere, and it isn't on Drudge's page today.

As near as I can tell, this guy is full of...half truths and innuendo.

With the exception of Monica, what other success has he had?

Enlighten me.

This is a joke.

LXAAlum 06-11-2004 03:16 PM

DA - are you inquiring about the Clinton video where he switches from laughter to tears when he see's there are cameras present at the funeral?

That was at Ron Brown's funeral - his cabinet member or assistant cabinet member killed in the plane crash in Yugoslavia...

I've seen it. It's real.

You're right - too many people trying to make political hay during a funeral is disgraceful - most of all was Rall's comments. I would simply ask him if a close relative of his died, would he want to have to endure hate-filled speech about his relative while preparing for the funeral? First Amendment concerns aside, there is the notion of respect and dignity for a family mourning, and it appears to be less and less a concern for people. That is discouraging.

ADPiAkron 06-11-2004 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeltAlum
As near as I can tell, this guy is full of...half truths and innuendo.

With the exception of Monica, what other success has he had?

Enlighten me.

This is a joke.

Sorry that is too HOT to touch...even for a liberal like myself!

Rudey 06-11-2004 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeltAlum
So, out of curiousity, where else has anyone seen this alleged story? I haven't seen it anywhere, and it isn't on Drudge's page today.

As near as I can tell, this guy is full of...half truths and innuendo.

With the exception of Monica, what other success has he had?

Enlighten me.

This is a joke.

The guy reports on everything though. I feel it's basically put anything newsworthy about anyone out and sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong, and a lot of times you can't prove it either way. In terms of how many read it, I'd say it has a huge following.

-Rudey

DeltAlum 06-11-2004 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
The guy reports on everything though. I feel it's basically put anything newsworthy about anyone out and sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong, and a lot of times you can't prove it either way. In terms of how many read it, I'd say it has a huge following.

-Rudey

I think you're right. I just have trouble believing that people actually believe any/everything he says.

DZHBrown 06-11-2004 04:18 PM

Was Clinton nodding off during the funeral?? There were a couple of times where the camera panned to him and he looked asleep. I taped it for my roommate, so I'll have to check it out again when she watches it, but it really looked like it!

cutiepatootie 06-11-2004 07:38 PM

Thank goodness!!!!!!! i am not the only one who thought so too. everytime they panned him he looked like he was sleeping. Prince Charles looked like from time to time he was too

DZTUBAGIRL 06-11-2004 07:58 PM

My mom watched it and she said that it did look like Clinton and Prince Charles were sleeping....how rude. Anyway, I think it was a beautiful funeral. One thing that made me mad today was a moronic girl in my class was complaining that Reagan was overshadowing Ray Charles' death. That may be but he was The President! I think there is a little difference there. :rolleyes: Oh well enough complaining.

Anne Marie

Peaches-n-Cream 06-11-2004 11:53 PM

I saw President Clinton nodding off. Not quite napping, but not alert and attentive. Perhaps he was deep in prayer.

The woman sitting beside Chief Justice Rehnquist looked like she was at a club waving and making 'call me' hand signals to someone.

lonestaradpi 06-12-2004 12:16 AM

I didn't get to see all of the funeral today, but I did see some parts where Clinton nodding off!!! I had to ask my father to see if I wasn't just imagining that he was dozing. I'm glad to know that others noticed that too! I am NOT a Clinton lover (quite the opposite) but I am ALMOST embarassed for him. Come on, you know the funeral is going to last a long time and might be dull at times, drink some coffee or expresso before hand!!

Oh yeah, I saw the "call me" woman too. Is nothing sacred anymore? Please, this was a funeral of a former president and it was televised!!

DeltAlum 06-12-2004 01:11 PM

Saw both Clinton and Prince Charles shots in question.

They may have been nodding off, but in fairness there are times when I want to remember something, concentrate on it or get a mental picture I close my eyes.

I didn't notice either of their heads dropping or dipping.

Who knows?

Is this going to be the next great political debate on GC?


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