Who would Usama vote for?
 

In the upcoming Presidential elections, who do you think Usama bin Laden would vote for if he could vote? Between Bush and Kerry, who do you honestly think Usama would vote for?

I think he would vote Kerry. What are your opinions? I think the majority of terrorists out there would vote for Kerry.

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Usama could give a rat's ass about the presidential election or who he votes for. He only believes in one thing: spreading his misguided and medieval version of fundamental Islam through terror. Democracy doesn't apply to his jihad, only the power coming from the barrel of the gun.

The literal phonetic translation of Bush is bosh in Arabic, which means 'nothing' or 'insignificant'. I have no idea how Kerry phonetically translates into Arabic.

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Thats like saying back in 2000 Osama would vote for Bush because the Clinton white house launched missles at him before.

Thats just a cop out trying to scare people into voting for Bush. I agree with AlphaSigOU. Terrorist hate Americans. They could care less who is president.

The scare tactic could work both ways. With war in Iraq, the prison thing, ect... they might vote Bush because he helped create more terrorist than any other pres.

Just a reminder, Bush had done nothing to Al Quida before 9/11 but yet they still attacked us. Just proves they don't care who is president. They don't care which party is in control.

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Why?

I mean other than the fact your support the Republicans?

I thought that despite some early set backs for Osama, things have been looking good for his Jihad against the West lately. Recruitment numbers are most likely up, the US is now easier to strike at now that they are occupying Iraq, Afghanistan is pretty much forgotten (along with funding) and the Taliban is making inroads again..... and finally better the enemy you know.... rather than an unknown.

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You do not have the right to vote in America and often talk about how you're glad you're not American. Please stick to discussing Canadian politics. I'm sure there are 5 other people on the face on this world who might care.

-Rudey

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I think it's kind of like living in the suburbs when the election for city mayor/city council takes place.

Poor Canucks, it makes more difference to those folks who is president in the US than who is PM in Canada (or so it would seem). I am proud to not even be able to tell you who the important political parties are over there... Although I seem to remember it's 3?

Who cares though..

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Actually the US elections are important to us because the current administration is the most disliked in the history of polling in Canada... I believe support (averaged out across the country) is hovering between 12-17%. Because of the multi-cultural make up (not melting pot) people are very concerned about world affairs, and right now the US is having the greatest impact on world affairs (for good or bad) so people are very interested. In the past it was the UK, but now the kid with the big stick is the US so it's wise to keep an eye on him...

Oh.. in case your wondering Kerry wasn't the most popular Democratic candidate up here....

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We don't care how you feel. WE VOTE. WE ARE AMERICANS. WE WANT TO BE AMERICANS. We don't, by and large, care to know who runs Canada nor do we care whether you dislike who we vote for to represent us. As for who has world power, the sun set on the UK a long time ago. It is the US. In the future, the power will be shared with powerhouse China. Nowhere in the picture will there be Canada - never was or will be.

-Rudey

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Thank-you-

Your post provides an example of why many people do not like the US right now.
The whole "We don't care how you feel" and "We don't, by and large, care to know who runs ______ (fill in country)" it is actually that attitude itself that grates on most people in other countries...

Oh and most Canadians don't care to be a "Super-Power"; thats why we disbanded the worlds second largest navy following world war two; declined to make nuclear weapons (although the US left some here in case we ever changed our mind); and threw our support behind the UN, because we laboured under the assumption that world peace benifits everyone... go figure.. and to cut you off, I stopped caring about your views of the UN because quite frankly your bias is thick as a glass of Guinness...

This is a stupid topic for a thread. Osama and other terrorists wouldn't vote because they doesn't believe in democracy.

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Again.... why the hell should any American care what Candians think about our Pres? I didn't like that French one y'all had a few years back. But didn't really care enough for it to upset me. Probably because it had no effect on my life whatsoever.

You can come down here and protest though. Probably too expensive considering the exchange rate though.

Which french one? Chreiten or Trudeu (those are the two most recent)? What was wrong with him?

As for protesting... nah.. much cheaper to hang out near the club district in Toronto and watch the people throw stuff at the consulat. Or to protest in Ottawa.. more fun, and less of a walk to the bars afterwards (or to hit the Mess with the Brits). Either which way when there was protesting over Iraq it would have made a nice IFC event... saw more greeks at the protest then I did at Greek Week...

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I don't care if others like the US. Those same people that don't like the US are often uneducated morons who served in second class militaries and weren't even officers. That's like me saying I went to Devry or some stupid school and I was in the bottom percentile of my graduating class. The ones that aren't uneducated have their own agendas and their own biases (as well they should).

-Rudey
--You are obviously not the latter you little tart you

Thats funny... last time I checked the index of support for US foreign relations abroad was scewed towards the uneducated being in favour while the more educated disapproving.... but then hey those silly people didn't go to a classy college like you :)

I think Satan would vote for me.

Really? So now you run opinion polls and run stat models on them to understand demographics so well? Your military training in the "Canadian" army, where you're not even an officer, trained you to tackle so many issues and problems.

-Rudey

No... much simpler.. you know read newspapers, watch the news, attend Frum lecture series, attend International Relations seminar, attend Politics in Media seminar.... you know simple stuff that us simple uneducated non-Americans do...

Show me that it's the uneducated foreigners that like America and the educated ones that dislike America. And then show me that they are unbiased. Go ahead cadet grunt. I bet you were the idiot soldier they made do pushups a lot just like in the movies. Look at you old man your whole life comes down to "I was in the Canadian military" and you weren't even an officer...bravo.

-Rudey

Nope my whole life doesn't come down to that (although 1/3 of it was military).. anyways you'll find the vast majority of people weren't officers....

Anyways coming up with where I got the information jogged my memory abit... Frum was discussing the image and information problems with the Bush administration and how these might be overcome.... but first he had to identify specfic problems and their causes. When he talked about the support for conservative policies he made sure to note that there is an inexplicable (his term) trend towards liberal politics and support amongst the higher educated.. then he went through a number charts pointing out political support and educational background, from various countries. He postulated that the greatest "liberal" base was to be found in countries that have publically funded educational systems (used Canada and UK as examples here). At the time I thought that he was reaching, to try and come up with a simple root cause..... but reading the paper today the latest poll (Canadian election) was broken down by region, gender, age, and education (decided voters only)... and low and behold there it was, a spike in the support of "liberal" politics from the segment of society that had recieved the highest education....

Now is that trend also prelevent in the US? Becasue Frum's arguement at the time was that the institutes that cost the most were by and large the most supportive of "conservative" policies. He also pointed out the countries that had the greatest support for Bush had the least amount of public funding for schooling... wereas the reverse was also true... thoughts?

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Its missile (singular,) and Osama would have voted for Clinton because after the 1993 bombing of the WTC, the Clinton administration did next to nothing to fight Al Qaeda. Bill Clinton authorized the launch of only one missile at Osama, and it hit an empty tent. This reinforced Al Qaeda's view that America is weak. This contributed to their increasingly bold attacks, culminating in the attacks of September 11, 2001.

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I thought Clinton autorized strikes in Sudan and Afghanistan... guess that was one magic missile

I think that's pretty true in any country. Those with the least education vote for conservative groups just as those who are well educated and from affluent homes. The former Rosedale riding, for example, has elected more PC candidates than Liberal, and even with the new riding of Toronto-Centre, it's unlikely that it'll go NDP.


Vocab note:

Riding: The jurisdiction that a politician runs to represent
MP: Member of Parliament
MPP: Member of Provincial Parliament (used in Ontario only)
PC: Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. Now called the Conservative Party of Canada after merging with the Canadian Alliance.

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Yeah, at the same time. Osama wasn't in both places, unless he's one magic Osama.

Yes, Yes, I know that terrorists don't actually vote and that Usama could care less about the democratic process. It was a hyptothetical situation that if Usama had to vote, I think he would vote Kerry, and he would definately vote Clinton if he could run again. The reason I say this is because based on the Clinton administration's actions toward him, I think he would vote Democrat. Clinton did next-to-nothing at the first trade center bombing, he did nothing after the USS Cole was hit, and he refused to capture Usama when the Sudan government was going to give him up on a silver platter. That's why I think he would vote Kerry. I think Bush has done tons to protect our country from terrorists, as their have been no major attacks since September 11 on American soil.
As for foreign relations, I, like Rudey, could care less. If Candada wants to nag, good for them. It's not going to effect our decisions, just like France isn't going to effect our decisions.

I'd be happy if the questions and opinions brought forward by other nations at least made people question/examine the actions or polocies of the government (no matter what country they are from).

I have a diploma from the Dale Carnegie Sales Series, I was the Sales Talk Champion - I also regularly read the Economist, and I also watch a shit ton of msnbc. I watch TV religiously, and I read books . . . about stuff . . . and then I sit and ponder. I mean, I deeply ponder.

Whether or not I raise the interest rates at the Fed is still up in the air - any suggestions?

-RC
--You don't even see the irony in your statements

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LOL

I agree wholeheartedly with you.:D

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Understanding your question is meant for discussion...and not saying that Usama would actually vote...Usama..and or any of his terrorist cells (who likely can vote in the US) would definitely vote for John Kerry. They'd vote for anyone that wouldn't put THEM on the defensive...

It still amazes me that people think GWB was supposed to do something in his 8 months of presidency (before 9/11) than Clinton did in his 8 years:rolleyes: :confused: can ya be any more naive?

I think he'd vote for Bush since as of yet the current admin has failed to capture the guy. If Osama wants to stay alive, why not stick with the current strategies that are keeping him that way? ;)

In all seriousness, I think it's a pretty pointless question to debate. It relies on the stereotype that no Democrats think the military is important and all Republicans do, which is not only not true in general, but -- at least I think -- particularly untrue in the post-9/11 days. Any president who's in office in the next few years, liberal or conservative, is going to put a lot of importance in the military and anti-terrorism in general.

That remains to be seen ;)

He'd have to be an idiot not to. Especially if the guy in office turns out to be Kerry -- the easiest way to maintain popular support for the 2008 election will be to keep terrorist activity low. It would be political suicide right now for almost anyone in office, but especially the president, to say, "Hey, I don't care about terrorism." I honestly doubt Kerry OR Bush would risk that.

My point exactly LOL! Kerry is an idiot!

Thank you!!!!!!

SKERRY KERRY is a typical Poloticion who is running for The Head Cheese Office.

Preaches what He feels people want!:( His proof is what he has done in the past. Needs Ted Kennedy Vote like a bullit in the head.

Oh, I am not saying Bush is the Best either.

Times are much more different than When Harry Truman was President, or are they?:confused:

HMMM, wonder if Jerry Springer or Dr. Phil would be any better?

Maybe Martha The Biotch if she gets time for anything?

How about Hillory, wow scarry Mary.

Watch her place her thoughts and what she is doing to place herself in the future balloting.:eek: