Target-4 MILLION dead Americans
 

Please note this is from CNBC, NOT FOX

The "chatter" we have all been hearing about since 9-11 has reached a new high. There is "credible" info that plans are about 70% complete. An execution possible between now and the election that would make 9-11 look like a bumper car accident. The terrorists are in this country and the means to kill us is in this country now. Suspects have been identified.

They are looking at something similar to Madrid OR trucks that will carry bio or chem weapons...REALLY dirty bombs.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/5061256/

The United States remains al-Qaida’s prime target, the report said. An al-Qaida leader has said 4 million Americans will have to be killed “as a prerequisite to any Islamic victory,” the survey said.
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Once again, the heathenery of the Politicals or the relegious fanatics?:(

Are any of us safe?:(

We are living in a sad state of affairs, not only Our Country but so many others.:o

Mad Max comes to mind
:o

4 million.. that'd be insane.

That'd shut the world up when it came to this BS I always hear about 'human rights' for terrorists. Complete BS. I hope to God that we're torturing the HELL out of anyone we pick up in connection with this. If we get info leading to taking down a potential huge event like this, it'd be worth it.

In case you all haven't noticed, the other side doesn't really concern itself with things like the Geneva Convention, etc. We're all fair game.

Of course, this could all be a ruse by Al Quaeda members to attempt to bring the US economy down by scaring investors away.

Perhaps the terrorists would do well to remember Admiral Yamamoto's comment after his fleet struck Pearl Harbor. "I fear that all we have accomplished is to wake a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve".
One must remember that if one keeps annoying a kindly old dog sooner or later that old dog is going to anger and bite. How would you like to be on the receiving end of that bite? It is, after all, one hell of an old dog!
Some months back when I was deployed my first sergeant used to say "Go ahead and take the first shot, but don't miss - I won't".

great... this isn't going to make my plane trip to hawaii next month any easier. I haven't flown since 9-11 and have never been to comfortable about flying before then. oy.

Try not to worry too much- I flew to europe and was there for a long time- things are ok- yes we should be cautious but especially going to hawaii you won't have any problems- just focus on how much fun you're going to have out there:)

and- i used to get really scared about flying and i have an anxiety disorder- so just try to remain calm- take deep breaths- try to focus on other things and if all else fails- take some sleeping pills and take a nice nap lol :)

Of course that'd play into the recruiter's hands.... hate breeds hate, violence breeds violence. Damn, why is it so hard for people to understand that basic maxim?

Today I had the pleasure of hearing Brothers visiting from the US urging this type of stupid behaviour (while using terms like sand n*gger, rag head, or hijabis)... I was more than happy to toss them off the property and tell them to never darken our chapter's doorstep again! But what galled me the most is that these were guys visiting before shipping out...

PS> No I won't mention what chapter they were from, nor region, but there has been a discussion with their chapter's executive explaining why they were turfed.....

Anyone wonder why they have not raised the terror level if this is very crediable? Usually they do when thats the case. Especially when they have 7 suspects.

This week is Vietnam in my film class about Oliver Stone. Gives a slight echo to Platoon with the various names called, and the subsequent turn of Charlie Sheen saying "they are human f-ing beings" while in the village. Huge discussion about demoralizing the "enemy" for the purpose of war, and the noncombantants being put in the same "slur category".

Cosign to PM Mama, there is one person on the list that looks familiar to me, and those names could be students at my University (where a grad student was already arrested last year, and is currently on trial). There has been a Saudi Student Assoc. for decades, I saw one in the 1954 year book.

4 million, that is the total population of Alaska or San Francisco five fold. If you break it down like that, it is staggering.

I hope the strategy the FBI is doing works out - looks like they're trying to flush out the suspects. If there is a VERY credible and imminent threat to the United States or its interests, then I would hope they are acting rapidly behind the scenes to try and prevent it.

God forbid there is another terrorist attack on U.S. soil... I'd sure hate to be the country or countries who are not 110% with the United States in fighting the war against terrorism.

Terrorists need to be shown NO mercy and given NO quarter; martyrdom DOES NOT apply to their cause.

I'm not afraid to die, so bring it on pussies....

I am glad that they brought it out now, I am sure it will help the President get elements of the Patriot Act made permanent.

I'm real tired of looking for a political ploy behind every bush (er...rock. Ok, so the joke was intended).

Truth is, I think Kerry should have kept his mouth shut about this. If this is politically motivated, it's stupid and the President will suffer in the end.

It's difficult to comprehend that kind of casualties -- unless you're an avid reader of Tom Clancy. Which I am.

If something does happen and the anti-terrorism people in the cities haven't been warned, though, the Homeland Secrity folks and the rest of the Administration are in trouble.

It is interesting with the holiday weekend coming up that, assuming all of this speculation is real, the threat level hasn't been raised.

The way I look at it, I may be paranoid -- but am I being paranoid enough?

ETA I was typing this when James posted above, and this is not a direct response to that post. If that does turn out to be the case (and I will admit it occurred to me) I will lose whatever respect I may have left for The President.

I WAS planning a NY trip, but I think I will delay it till AFTER the political season.

This was a topic of discussion this a.m. on ...tada FOX. There was a DEMOCRAT senator who said we had BETTER see the course in Iraq AND we had better hope any attack is intercepted OR, the current articles within the Patriot Act will look like child's play.

He went on to say that no matter WHAT we did, we were ALWAYS a target and nothing could/would prevent an attack on us. It is their, Al Queda's goal, to KILL US. Nothing, in the minds of many sitting on both sides of the fence, would change their quest.

I'm sure there is a link to this on Fox, but actually, I'm signing off now and am bidding all a good night.

I encourage pre-emptive action; let's nuke the pussies.

-Rudey

Some present posters excluded, why is it always the same people who complain that the Bush administration allowed 9/11 to happen because he didnt take any threats seriously the ones who think that the terror levels are just an excuse to scare the general populace?

Does anyone wonder when stuff like this comes up as to why we have so many soldiers over in Iraq? Are there enough soldiers left to protect the United States?

Thats actually more useful than reading our emails . . . Sounds good to me.

Shameless hijack of a couple of famous Dr. Strangelove quotes:

"I can no longer sit back and allow... terrorist infiltration, terrorist indoctrination, terrorist subversion, and the international terrorist conspiracy... to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!" - Gen. Jack D. Ripper

"Well, boys, Ah reckin' this is it... nu-cu-lear com-bat toe-to-toe with the terrorists!" - Maj. T.J. 'King' Kong

Only one problem, Rudey... the terrorist c*cksuckers of al-Qaeda are spread out and don't consider any specific Islamic country as their own. They camped out in Afghanistan until we bombed them outta the country. It's very possible that sumbitch Osama bin Laden is hiding out in Pakistan... besides, he's the front and money man... the bastard we gotta worry about is Ayman al-Zawahiri, who's really the brains behind SPECTRE... oops... I mean al-Qaeda.

550 Minuteman III silos... plus a whole boatload of Trident ballistic missile subs... one HUGE mushroom cloud... and now it's Miller Time!

Some interesting comments from this article from December, 2003.

Points I find interesting:

One reason they aren't raising the terror level:

David Heyman, a senior fellow and director of science and security initiatives at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies, noted in a recent interview with United Press International the high cost of the increased threat alerts. He said the enhanced security measures required by the Orange Alert level cost an estimated total of $1 billion a week.


This isn't the first time we've heard these things either: (from the same article in December)

"The information we have indicates that extremists abroad are anticipating near-term attacks that they believe will either rival or exceed the attacks that occurred in New York and the Pentagon and the fields of Pennsylvania nearly two years ago," said Ridge at a quickly called news conference Sunday.

I think they don't have enough information to raise the alert level but they are afraid to not say that there is a risk because of political fallout if something happens and we didn't have any notice.

I find it interesting that they get more concerned around holidays or "special events" such as the political party conventions, yet, 9/11 had no significance and that is part of what made it terrorism. It was just another day, the day that Michael Jordan announced he was coming out of retirement, until about 8:43 a.m. They seem to prefer an element of surprise, part of the shock value.

So.. is NYC still the safest even though it's commonly thought of as the most likely target for terrorism? (referring to NYC safest city thread).

Dee

In todays paper, they said the plan was 90% , not 70% in place.

Which means the Feds are after the bastards... I hope to God we nab the sumbitches before they can cause any damage.

90% vs. 70%?

I may just be in denial, but it seams like it could be likely that they have an empty deck and are just trying to bluff the American economy into oblivion.

At least I hope that's the case. Anyhow... not to hijack here, but if these guys are apprehended, what will our liberal friends do to ensure that these terrorists' human rights aren't violated?

Dang your good!!!

How about the follow the guidelines set out in the Constitution? If we don't do that, why have one?

The Supreme Court has been liberal in its interpretation of the constitution when it comes to public safety. For example, it upheld a ruling that said that roadblocks to test for drunk drivers were legal search due to public safety concerns.

If it comes to potentially saving 4 million lives (and you have the fringe benefit of making life miserable for a murderer like one of these folks), I say do it.

Why don't you tell us what those guidelines in the constitution say?

-Rudey

I agree. This administration is darned if they do and darned if they don't.

Exactly... if you are elected to office or join the military I believe you swear an oath to uphold the constitution... not use it only when it suits you.

So:
Here are some pertinant sections -
Article VI-2
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land: and the judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary not withstanding.
- All States and judges are therefore bound by the Geneva Convention (this is one section used by the UK in freeing citizens from Gitmo).

Amendment V
No person snall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
- Okay another biggy... make note of the fact it says person and not citizen. The whole compelling a person to bring evidince against themself is the foundation against torture (IMO). However the exception regarding war or public danger is the touchy part... this is were the hand off to Military Law happens.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State or district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
- Lookey here... a promise of fair trial....

Now Amendment XI [January 8th, 1798] is a little confusing on the subject for me... so perhaps someone else can shed light on it.

Finally lets try to leave soap-box politics out of this... no Liberal/Right-Wing/Republican/Democrat name calling.... we see enough of that on the daily news.

YOU see nothing. YOU are Canadian.

-Rudey

It's a baby Antonin! :p

ktsnake, do some more research on that public safety clause.

Oooooh... creative editing using the quote function.... you get a gold star.:D

You have absolutely no idea how the military operates, do you? We only have about 2 1/2 divisions in Iraq. That isn't "so many" by historical standards. Also, how would you deploy these soldiers to legally fight terrorists on domestic soil?

New York City has been on a higher level of alert than the rest of the country since 9/11/01. I see police and military vehicles at every bridge and tunnel crossing. When the treat level was raised before the first anniversary of 9/11, there were even more police everywhere. When the threat was lowered, the number of police visible decreased somewhat. Sometimes it feels like a police state, but I have grown accustomed to it.

I think that this latest threat is real. We have political conventions in two of the biggest cities in the US. There will be millions of people in those cities during the conventions. It frightens me to think of the possibilities.

i'm definitely nervous about this. i've read a few times that boston is not a target, especially the convention, and that they are taking every precaution necessary to prevent attacks. yet, the next article talks about how there are concerns that there are not enough police and security personnel for when the convention is in town. i am thinking of going on vacation that week!

Me too. I remember how crazy NYC was when the DNC was here in 1992, and that was without a terrorist threat. A dozen years later the world is so different, and the threat is out there. I am really thinking about getting out of town.

The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State.

This limits the jurisdiction of the Federal judicial system to exclude any suit initiated by a person against a state government. The Supreme Court has interpreted several later amendments, notably the Fourteenth, as restricting the scope of the Eleventh. See Congressional power of enforcement.

(Source: http://www.fact-index.com/e/el/eleve...stitution.html)

I think everyone needs to at least read this article before trying to Monday-morning-quarterback the United States' military position in Iraq and the war on terrorism:

How We Lost The High-Tech War of 2007

And this article, written by an Army Specialist wounded in the Iraq insurgency:

The Real Story Behind the April 9th Insurgency in Iraq

Working at a major hospital, people are definitely talking about this around here and how to prepare leading up to the event.

Although, I've always just assumed that living in a big city would mean I would be exposed to possibilities like this.