Jesse Jackson
 

Has anyone else heard that Jesse Jackson is the father of a 20 month old daughter? He decided to go public with the information after the National Enquirer uncovered the information.

Lawd, Lawd, Lawd! I could not hear all the news this moring and only got bits and pieces of what was said. I want to shout "Who Let the Dogs Out."

Yes, I heard this while on the bus coming to work today. My mouth was wide open http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif He really thought he could keep that under wraps?

Good Morning everyone.....

I heard the news and I am not shocked at all!!! I don't even think this is the first time he stepped out on his wife.
The Russ Parr show had it as the topic of discussion this morning. And I wanted to call and tell it like it is... Most people were saying that he is intitled, its his personal life, and, well he is a man, to the connotation that that is what men do! Some were saying that it does not affect is political stand, it is more of a personal mater.
I personnally think that he just needs to give up the "Rev" attached to his name and just be regular "Joe Blow" (no pun intended)! I am sick and tired of people making excuses just because they are a man. What if a woman did the same thing that was in the public eye and held high. She would be every type whore, unfit for this unfit for that, etc... But what really angered me is that all the time that I was thinking that if this were someone else like Micheal Jordan or Jackson for that matter, all hell would break loose. Let say it was a white person (remember Tammy Faye Baker and her husband) we would be jumping on every band wagon to get them out of the political eye. I was never the one to trust in any man the way some people have put him on a pedestal because no man that walks this earth is any holier than any other, in the eyes of God!

Just my piece, what is everyone else thinking about this...

When I read it, I was expecting the child to be 20 years old. Some how that would have been more comforting than a little baby. I'm kinda flabbergasted because he has been running around on his crusade for the black vote and all of a sudden this happens. It would have been more responsible to acknowledge the child publicly before it would have been front page news on a tabloid. I still roflmao at Professor "Who let the dogs out". I guess this dog let a little too much out.

Goodness Gracious, now is the time that I wish I knew how to use the stupid "quote" mechanism.


I am over here dying, or should I say that I'm ROTFLMAO at the Professor.


WHO LET THE DOGS OUT, INDEED!!!!!!!

Miss. Mocha

I heard all the mess too and I was saying damn, damn, damn in the car this morning... kitten03 I know it is wrong but I was hoping the child was 20 YEARS OLD too!!

I agree with OOHLALA, no person should be put on a pedestal because WE ALL FALL SHORT!!
I might be wrong but I would tend to criticize Rev. Jackson more than I did Clinton because Clinton never claimed to be highly moral/ethical ...well I guess in a sense that comes with his position but he never claimed to be a Reverend and then go out and mess with Monica, but Rev. Jackson done professed his love of God, and has millions of followers and then goes and does some crap like this ...pisses me the hell off. Now don't get me wrong neither man is better then the other but $hit, Jesse should have sure known better.

That reminds me of when the Stupid Mayor of New York got caught... I am glad Donna left him. Men are just f'ing up now-a-days and so many people talked BAD about Clinton and now since he was the first, people are making it seem like a mute point for all the rest and it is NOT!!!!
And I agree if it were a women in these situations the whole world would be cursing her, giving her LARGE A to wear on her chest.

Good morning, everyone. This is soooooo disturbing. All I could say when I heard it on the news this morning was "Say it ain't so, Jesse". Aside from the moral issues here - the infidelity, there is the fact that, unlike some sports figures who say that they are not role models, Jesse Jackson is a role model. As a role model, I think he should have considered how his actions could affect black boys and young black men. What kind of message does this send to them? That it is okay to be unfaithful to your wife ? Moreover, I can't understand how a man as intelligent as Mr. Jackson could have unprotected sex. Where were the condoms, Jesse ? That is another erroneous message that he has sent to people. I'll say it loud so everyone can hear it....IT IS NOT SAFE TO HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX!!!! Sorry for the long post, but I had to let this out. Have a great day, everyone!

I'm ROTFLMAO at Professor.

Nothing surprises me anymore, but I am very disappointed. I, too, was thinking this had to be an adult, not an infant! When I heard 20 months old, my mouth hit the floor!

"Who let the dogs Out," Now that was funny.

My question is this. Jesse deserves the knocks that he is getting and going to get (a few good kicks in the azz should come from his wife, but that's on her), but my thing is this, we always blame just the man/woman. What about the other party? I am not trying to take up for Jesse, because he f&*ed up and there is no way around it. But why don't we ever look at the other party. Isn't she also to blame too? I am far from a rocket scientist, but I am pretty sure that she knew he was married. That's just a hunch on my part. I could be wrong.

Whether we want to acknowledge blame or not, She deserves half of the blame. There are women/men out there who will basically throw it in your face if you have some type of status or power.

Like I said, this is in no way an attempt to protect Jesse, every man/woman has a choice when they enter into marriage. But the countless number of people out there who would love nothing more than to bed someone who has Jesse's status. I have heard things about Jesse for years, so this doesn't suprise me.

Let's just pray for Jesse's family, and the most innocent party of this whole sordid affair, that little 20-month-old child, who did not ask to be part of this crap. I truly feel sorry for her. I have very little sympathy for the mother or for Jesse.

MN

MN, I haven't heard anything about her except that she worked in the Washington office of the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition. On CNN's website, Jackson is quoted as saying he wants his daughter and her mother to have the privacy they deserve.

I do understand what you are saying, and yes she is equally to blame. I don't know if she is married, but everyone knows Jesse is married with five adult children. I suppose the spotlight is on Jesse because he is a well-known figure.

I just heard about this 20 min. ago...a co-worker told me. I went on the net (msnbc) and got the scoop. First of all I have never really been a big fan of Jesse Jackson's - he seemed rather arrogant to me -and although he has done a lot of good things for African-Americans and people in general - I never really liked him. Secondly no matter what title you put before his name, Rev, Pope, Deacon, President, etc he is still just a man and we all fall short of the Glory of God. Man would expect one who claims to be "called" by God to be able to restrain himself from sin. But when it comes down to it he is still a man...and sin is sin...regardless of the magnitude or consequences. So if he stole a candybar from the store, killed a man, cheated on his wife, lied....it is all sin and the results of the sin may effect him or others in different ways...but it is all sin. I am not condoning what he did nor am I comparing cheating on your wife to stealing a candybar. I am just saying I can't judge the man for what he did.
MandingoNUPE...yes the woman should be facing the music too! She obviously knew who Jesse was and she had to have known the brother was married!!! But if the press finds out who she is she and the little girl will never have a moments peace. The press will run her down every chance they get.
Sensational08...he may have used a condom - nothing is 100%.
The ironic thing about the situation is that in 1998 - Jesse was the one at the White House praying with the Clinton's and counseling the President about the Monica L. scandal and probably all around the same time he had his own "little Monica".

**shaking my head** That damn Viagra.

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I too was shocked and very disappointed once I heard the news about Jesse Jacksons 20 month old daughter. When I 1st heard it on the Today Show I thought they were talking about his son or even someone else with the same name, but not the Reverend. I am still in shock. I too was hoping that this affair had taken place several years ago. Do you all realize that during the time his daughter was born he was counseling President Clinton about the Monica Lewinsky situation. Do you think he confessed to the Presidnet about his affair during these counseling sessions?? HMMMMM?? This is indeed a sad day for Black America, one of our most prominenet leaders has disappointed the nation. I just can't believe it. Do you all think he has lost his leadership role and respect within the black community, the church community, and in the political arena??

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ROTFLMAKAAO!

MAYBE IN THIS CASE IT WAS "HUNCH PUNCH" HA HA HA HA!

MAYBE SISTA GIRL IS THE "BLACK" MONICA LEWINSKY...trying to become "known". http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif

Now, since it is out, the media is probably gonna want to "find out" who ole girl is...

Jesse ought to sit down now! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

All I can say is that when I heard the news for some reason I was not all that shocked. I have been so desensitized by this celebrity doing this wrong and this celebrity doing another thing wrong that it doesn't even faze me any more. I mean after Bill Cosby, I guess even good ole "Rev" Jackson was not a shock. I am just upset that he of all people would go out and smack in the face everything he "supposedly" stood for. Things like the upliftment of the black community and family and high moral and ethical standards. Hypocrite doesn't even begin to decribe him.

I did post this once, not sure where it went...

FOLKS - SLOW DOWN AND THINK ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON!!!!!!!!!1

Bear with me for minute .... I just figured something out at work with 2 close co-workers .... I know we are all mad at Jesse for his stupid actions, but guess what this is a ploy to get 'US' to stop thinking about what Bush and his people are planning/doing for inauguration (JAN 20)...not saying they are doing anything special but you know how we have all been watching to see who bush, actually who his people, pick to be in his cabinet... well guess what they have finally gotten the spot light off him. We have a right to be mad at Jesse but we need to stay focused on what is important right now ...so we all know Jesse had an affair and he has a child, but we need to stay focused on the what our next so called president of the US is up to. Lets get our priorities straight, and I am not saying he is not wrong, but we need to be careful where we stress our energies this weekend!!! Hope you all understand, and this scandal as with the Pres Clinton one, is not really our business - well it is because he is a public figure, but he and his wife now need to work this through, and I am pretty sure she knew about this, IF 10,000 was leaving my account monthly I think I would know where is was going!!!!

I was thinking THE SAME EXACT THING when I read the CNN article. This article http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/01/18/jac....ap/index.html refers to the timing of the announcement in an obvious way.



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I saw it on CNN this morning. I didn't know if I wanted to commend him for being a man an admiting it, or to slap him for being so open about private business.

TIMING IS EVERYTHING!

LadyAKA I hear where you are coming from. I am not condoning the actions nor defending Jesse Jackson. He has to answer to GOD and his family on this.

BUT....if any of you are old enough, you will remember all the smoke and mirrors that occurred when Clarence Thomas was nominated. WE (Read Black Folk) were all up in arms and all the while there were a number of confirmations being passed right on by "unnoticed".

If you haven't done so yet, I implore each of you to email your respective US Senators and give them you views on the Ashcroft hearings.

I mean with all the "Jesse" news, we CANNOT afford to look the other way while the confirmation hearings are going on.

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My first thought was not one of shock at all. Rumors have been flying for years. I don't agree with his adulterous actions nor do I support them.

Immediately, my second thought was that this is all a ploy to divert the public eye (esp. African American) from the nomination hearings! The timing was too perfect. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

Many, many people will take the moral high ground on this one and totally lose respect for this 'man'. I personally may not respect his morals when it comes to the sanctity of marriage and family; however, I have to, HAVE TO respect his politics. The work that he's done for our community as well as on an international level where OTHERS have completely failed has been phenomenal.

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Yeah, but would he have admitted to this if he would not have found out about the expose' by that magazine? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif

Well, there not much I can say about this issue..yall said it all..but the only thing i can say is its funny when this all came out ..also poplife i agree with u 110%...Last thing i wannna say is that Jesse or anyone else has never been Monique's leader...Only his Lord Jesus Christ is my leader..why must we as a race ALWAYSSSS have to have someone as our leader?

I think I said earlier that the media gives people these labels. I speak for myself, thank you. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

My momma always said never put your faith in man! I don't.

Yes, Jesse has done some great things, and I'm not knocking him for all the good he has done. Yes, I think this should be a private matter for him and his family to deal with. However, as a public figure the media decides this to be newsworthy.

The timing of the whole thing is ironic, but with something like this it is like waiting for the other shoe to drop. I'm surprised its been kept quite this long, especially since the Clinton sex scandal.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by AKA2D '91:
[B] OHhhhhhhhhhhh Soror...


You don't believe in role models? Anyway, that's your believe...BUT, speaking for myself, my role models have been those who I can touch, see, speak to on a daily basis, etc.


My role models have been/are:
MY MOTHER
MY LATE FATHER
MY AUNTS
MY former TEACHERS
FRIENDS of my Family
MY Grandmother

I couldn't agree with you more! The only role model that I've ever had in my life was my mom. She was the one who put a roof over my head, clothes on my back, and food in my stomach not some celebrity or public figure.I learned a long time ago not to put faith in any man. After working in my profession for so many months, nothing surprises me anymore as far as people's moral capabilities I HAVE SEEN AND HEARD IT ALL! Needless to say I was surprised at the news I heard today regarging Mr. Jackson but it didn't fade me.

This also takes me back to the post AKATUDE made under the thread "When Will They Learn". You can't keep things like this from the public nowadays I mean people are constantly out there searching for dirt and believe me if it's there they will find it! What you do in darkness shall be revealed in the light. People, especially those in the public eye need to be more careful and responsible for their actions and choices they make.

Lastly , does anyone know anything about the affair that Micheal Jordan supposedly had with singer Vanessa Williams before she was married to Rick Foxx. I heard about it maybe a year and a half ago on a radio station but I could never find out if it was only arumor or if it really did happen. If so it only proves what I and other have previously stated nothing can be kept secret for long eventually things will come out!!!




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[QUOTE]Originally posted by AKA2D '91:
[B] OHhhhhhhhhhhh Soror...


You don't believe in role models? Anyway, that's your believe...BUT, speaking for myself, my role models have been those who I can touch, see, speak to on a daily basis, etc.


My role models have been/are:
MY MOTHER
MY LATE FATHER
MY AUNTS
MY former TEACHERS
FRIENDS of my Family
MY Grandmother

I couldn't agree with you more! The only role model that I've ever had in my life was my mom. She was the one who put a roof over my head, clothes on my back, and food in my stomach not some celebrity or public figure.I learned a long time ago not to put faith in any man. After working in my profession for so many months, nothing surprises me anymore as far as people's moral capabilities I HAVE SEEN AND HEARD IT ALL! Needless to say I was surprised at the news I heard today regarging Mr. Jackson but it didn't fade me.

This also takes me back to the post AKATUDE made under the thread "When Will They Learn". You can't keep things like this from the public nowadays I mean people are constantly out there searching for dirt and believe me if it's there they will find it! What you do in darkness shall be revealed in the light. People, especially those in the public eye need to be more careful and responsible for their actions and choices they make.

Lastly , does anyone know anything about the affair that Micheal Jordan supposedly had with singer Vanessa Williams before she was married to Rick Foxx. I heard about it maybe a year and a half ago on a radio station but I could never find out if it was only arumor or if it really did happen. If so it only proves what I and other have previously stated nothing can be kept secret for long eventually things will come out!!!




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[quote]Originally posted by Inquisitive:

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Lastly , does anyone know anything about the affair that Micheal Jordan supposedly had with singer Vanessa Williams before she was married to Rick Foxx. I heard about it maybe a year and a half ago on a radio station but

I had heard that too. I also heard that she had something going on with Brian McKnight when he first came out...you know she supposedly "discovered" him, she had given him his first exposure on a BET special back in the day.... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif

I agree with all who noticed the timing issue. We cannot afford to lose sight of the bigger picture.

Jesse was planning all sorts of boycotts and the likes in protest of the things going on with Bush's cabinet appointees not to mention the way he won the election.

It's an age old tactic...divide and conqure. If the media puts enough spin on it to ruin Jesse in the eyes of the black community, they won't have anything else to worry about. Think about it... who will step up after he's gone? We already are at a shortage of leadership as it is. We have a lot of talkers and the likes but talk is cheap. Who will actually go and do the things that Jesse has done?

So many things to say....so little time!!

There are several comments that I really agree with, but will refrain from just co-signing. I have one question though, that I haven't seen addressed:

I heard that Jesse is paying the mother $10,000 a MONTH http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif for child support/hush money/whatevah. What I want to know is: What do Jesse do??? (ebonics!!) I mean that is some serious cash and you KNOW Miss Jackie was not going to let her lifestyle go down that much just to support his little side piece. Has Jesse ever had a job? You know, a regular 9/5 with benefits and such?

I would like to suggest some things to all of you; but before I do, think about these statements first:

1)I agree with the person that stated she's tired of the excuse that men will be men.
2)I agree with the statement that women would be looked upon as dogs if they were to do the same thing.

Now consider this:

Who knows the status of Jesse's marriage? Who knows the motivations of the woman that mothered his newborn? Even if it's true, who stood to gain from Jesse's defamation, and what did they stand to gain? Consider the timing of this gettin' out.

We as African-Americans have to remind ourselves that character assasination is usually the first step taken by our enemies to remove our leaders. Once we judge this person as morally inept, we castrate that person from our causes. When that happens, we are leaderless, and lose any progress toward uniting ourselves. Think about it. Every leader we've had in this country experienced the same things during their most active times. I know that most of yall aint tryin' to hear it, so I'll stop here.

Just remember; all that glitters aint gold.

First of all, I agree with Lady AKA and some other's comment regarding staying focused on the issues at hand, although I am needless to say, saddened and disappointed at the news.

Secondly, to answer an early question regarding the mother of this child, I heard this morning that she's a PH.D. that taught on the collegiate level. I only thought that was semi-interesting, because when I first heard this story, I ASSUMED she was a young, dumb gold-digging type. (Guess that's why mama said don't ASSUME--find out).

I still think most of the PUBLIC onus is on Jesse, since the "other woman" didn't have an international reputation, family, wife, supporters and, oh yeah, GOD, to whom he pledged to serve when he was ordained as a MINISTER, to think about. I don't condone this type of behavior from either party, BUT don't be so quick to "put it on" this woman. And that "men will be men" and can't-hold-themselves-together crap doesn't wash with me. If this is so, then why are we still allowing men to control our national and international governments and businesses, since they seem to be so out of control?

BTW, one of the sorors I made back in the day told me that her mom was hit on by Jesse after he spoke at a church in their hometown. When I shared that info with my mom, she just laughed and said that in her day, the big open secret in Chicago was how much both Jesse AND his wife got down with other folks. I mention this to make the point that today's news didn't surprise me.

Another BTW: I'm sure the right is LOVING this little tidbit now!

It's sad that this child will grow up labled as the "love child" of Jesse Jackson. Basically, Jesse is only human and nobody's perfect. Just like when Bill Clinton cheated, it was like "big deal." I'm more angry that now the white people (who really don't like him anyway) have something else to talk about.

I'm always hesitant to post about topics like this, because they can get so touchy. This whole ordeal doesn't bother me at all. Well, I guess I shouldn't say that. This might end up being a long post. I'll say it like this: I'm not surprised. Unfortunately, I have to disagree with many. I agree, undoubtedly, that what happened was wrong. What I don't agree with is people being so disappointed in him. HE IS A MAN, and by that I mean human, of the flesh. I agree, he should've known better. At the same time, the title REV. does not give him any special powers. He does not have a shield that protects him from temptation. Satan preys on him the most, probably, because Satan knows that WE create role models. Satan knows that WE follow people, so he preys most on the ones we follow. WE choose to follow PEOPLE. That, to me, in my OPINION, is walking a fine line of idoltry. Jesse shouldn't have no followers. Period. He is supposed to be leading others to follow CHRIST. If we strip him of his title of REV., we might as well take it away from each and every minister, priest, reverend, pastor, etc.

WE need to stop creating these role models. I mean, who determines the criteria for a role model anyway? Who made Jesse (or Bill) role models? They sure aren't mine. I can't think of a single human being that I can say, "I want to be like him/her." Not one. I have always had a problem with this. We have taken the "it takes a village" thing too far. And we never learn from it!!! We are constantly talking about these "role models" and how we are disappointed in them. Bill, Whitney, Jesse. Stop allowing these PEOPLE to be your role models. I mean, how many of yall know Jesse? Why would you allow someone you don't even KNOW to be a role model???? All we know about him is what we see on TV. For all we know, he coulda been beating his wife for years. The point of the matter is, we don't know about these people's private lives. We don't know them socially. All we know is their persona that they WANT us to see. It's for this very reason that I don't believe in role models. Leaders are one thing, role models are another.

What's the difference in a role model and an idol, anyway? This is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif




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Wow! Where have I been? It is 11:00 P.M. and I am just hearing about the drama.

Original Ape I couldn't agree with you more.

Professor, you always crack me up! LAWD LAWD LAWD!

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OHhhhhhhhhhhh Soror...

You don't believe in role models? Anyway, that's your believe...BUT, speaking for myself, my role models have been those who I can touch, see, speak to on a daily basis, etc.

My role models have been/are:
MY MOTHER
MY LATE FATHER
MY AUNTS
MY former TEACHERS
FRIENDS of my Family
MY Grandmother

These are the people who I have "looked" up to. These are the people, well, some of them who had NOTHING and made SOMETHING for themselves. These are the people who I emulate. These are the people who lead by example. These are the people who were there to give me advice personally AND professionally. These are the kinds of people I call role models, idols, mentors, or whatever label you want to give it...

NOW, as a teacher, there are many at my school (low socio-economic area) who have seen what I have achieved and say, oh..."I want to go to different schools like Ms. XYZ did" I want to be an AKA, like Ms. XYZ did. I want to be able to support myself and do for myself like Ms. XYZ does. So NOW, I AM IN A position to be a role model for these children, male and female.

Going back to your statement that you don't have role models, now, why was it that you went to college, wanted to become an AKA, or wanted to live a "certain" life? I am only being curious. Again, Soror, you have the right to your opinion about this.

But I too agree that role models should not be these people on TV, cause 9 times out of 10, they are usually putting on a FACADE, anyway. Still, there are many people in our communities, churches, schools, households who, to me are the REAL ROLE MODELS....

All of this is just my opinion! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Discogoddess:
[B]I still think most of the PUBLIC onus is on Jesse, since the "other woman" didn't have an international reputation, family, wife, supporters and, oh yeah, GOD, to whom he pledged to serve when he was ordained as a MINISTER, to think about. I don't condone this type of behavior from either party, BUT don't be so quick to "put it on" this woman. And that "men will be men" and can't-hold-themselves-together crap doesn't wash with me.


Let me clarify, I was in no way condoning, or saying that Jesse wasn't at fault. I have to agree with you on the term "boys will be boys" is kinda played right now.

We all make choices. Choices not chance determine our fate in life. I was simply trying to state that the blame should be shared equally since she knew that he was married. I also heard things about Jesse stepping out and doing his thing years ago. A friend of mine from college told me that a cousin of hers got involved with Jesse, and slept with him and she never heard from him again. So I also wasn't supprised when I heard this.

Also, there was an article I believe in Essence or some other magazine a few years ago that talked about the dirty little secreet of Ministers "letting their dogs out" with members of the church.

There are a lot of things that go on in our community that we simply look the other way on.

Peace and Luv

MN

I determine who my role models are. However, the media places these labels on people such as the "leader of the African-American community" or whatever. I never asked them to speak for me!

If they choose to step into that role then they better realize the awesome responsibility they take on and come correct. I know that no one is perfect and mistakes will be made, but I agree that he (and whoever the woman is) should have known better. Now that the world knows, he wants to take a "hiatus" and take time to heal and reconnect with his family.

I am so disappointed. Yes, he's human, but ministers must realize the weight of their actions. There are so many people out there that refuse to go to church, that call the church a "hypocrite" house that chritians must be very careful in what we do. If we don't then we drive away the very people that we're trying to save. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif. Yes, I do believe that this was strategically planned (revealing the information) however, this is another reason why we should be more careful.

On another note, I am praying for his wife. I know she must be going through alot of pain right now.

And finally, as someone mentioned before, what about this woman that he committed adultry with. What kind of woman would have sex with - not only a married man- but a married Reverend. The Charlotte Observer has a picture of the 2 of them at the White House. I have the picture, but haven't had much success posting it (it keeps showing up as a little "x".


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