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moe.ron 05-10-2004 02:12 PM

Judge orders couple not to have children
 
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Judge orders couple not to have children
Associated Press
ROCHESTER, N.Y. -- A couple has been ordered not to conceive any more children until the ones they already have are no longer in foster care.

A civil liberties advocate said the court ruling unsealed Friday was "blatantly unconstitutional."

Monroe County Family Court Judge Marilyn O'Connor ruled March 31 that both parents "should not have yet another child which must be cared for at public expense."

"The facts of this case and the reality of parenthood cry out for family planning education," she ruled. "This court believes the constitutional right to have children is overcome when society must bear the financial and everyday burden of care."
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Interesting. When I showed this to one of my co-worker, she said that life is unfair. I asked her why? She said that she can't conceived.

Kevin 05-10-2004 02:32 PM

On some level, I agree with the judge. On another, I don't think that's somewhere the government needs to go. Looking at the potential problems versus the benefits of some kind of reproductive licensing program, I could see tons of benefits. However, I could only assume that it would be heavily weighted (mostly due to socio-economic realities) to grant more licenses to white affluent individuals. That's kind of an oversimplified tip of the iceberg objection, but y'all get the idea.

msn4med1975 05-10-2004 03:15 PM

While I think the ruling will so be overuled because there is no precident and I can't find a law that would allow it to stand. But as someone that is tired of people having child after child and being unable to support any of them I admire the judge's spirit ROFL. It's not just about the public money but if you can't take care of the first four what makes me think you can take of any more of them?

Phasad1913 05-10-2004 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by msn4med1975
While I think the ruling will so be overuled because there is no precident and I can't find a law that would allow it to stand. But as someone that is tired of people having child after child and being unable to support any of them I admire the judge's spirit ROFL. It's not just about the public money but if you can't take care of the first four what makes me think you can take of any more of them?
I agree. I am sure, or I HOPE, this judge realizes that this sort of ruling cannot stand. What it will do, which is probably what he intended, is draw much needed attention to the public's frustration with having to accommodate people continuously having children that they cannot support. If the State cannot regulate procreation or reproduction, then perhaps more organizations or non-governmental entities can step in and try to reach more people who live that type of lifestyle.

norcalchick 05-11-2004 01:48 AM

i just want to know what these people are thinking...? why are you going to have more children when you already can't take care of your other ones??? i know alot of people who get frustrated with this issue.

swissmiss04 05-11-2004 09:30 AM

I realize that this order can't stand up. But gawd I wish it would. I don't appreciate a couple having that many kids that I and everyone I know has to pay to raise. Totally not my job.

PhiPsiRuss 05-11-2004 12:13 PM

I too have mixed feelings about this. The judge is right that this couple should have no more children, but is he right when it comes to our liberties? I don't think that he is.

moe.ron 05-11-2004 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
I too have mixed feelings about this. The judge is right that this couple should have no more children, but is he right when it comes to our liberties? I don't think that he is.
co-sign

Love_Spell_6 05-11-2004 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by norcalchick
i just want to know what these people are thinking...? why are you going to have more children when you already can't take care of your other ones??? i know alot of people who get frustrated with this issue.
This isnt really on the topic..but something that pisses me off is that I know so many couples trying to have children and can't get pregnant...but it seems a crackhead can pop out a baby when they get good and ready...:rolleyes:

I know that wasn't Politically Correct to say...but yall know Im gonna says it how i feels :p

sugar and spice 05-11-2004 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
I too have mixed feelings about this. The judge is right that this couple should have no more children, but is he right when it comes to our liberties? I don't think that he is.
Double co-sign.

Like I've said before, this is not someplace I want to see the government go because of how easy it would be to abuse this power. But I wish people weren't so friggin' stupid.

It doesn't seem like there's an easy solution to this kind of thing.

XOMichelle 05-11-2004 04:03 PM

Holy unconstitutional, Batman!
 
*picks jaw off floor*

mrblonde 05-11-2004 04:12 PM

Im with Phasad. Im pretty sure they dont let you become a judge unless you have some grasp of the Constitution, so I think this is more of a point the judge is trying to make.

KillarneyRose 05-12-2004 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
This isnt really on the topic..but something that pisses me off is that I know so many couples trying to have children and can't get pregnant...but it seems a crackhead can pop out a baby when they get good and ready...:rolleyes:

I know that wasn't Politically Correct to say...but yall know Im gonna says it how i feels :p


To heck with Political Correctness, anyway. I agree with you 100%!

moe.ron 05-12-2004 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by mrblonde
Im with Phasad. Im pretty sure they dont let you become a judge unless you have some grasp of the Constitution, so I think this is more of a point the judge is trying to make.
I also agree with you. The judge is making a point, fully knowing that the judgement will overturn.

DZHBrown 05-12-2004 01:33 PM

It would be nice if this sort of ruling could stand. After working in the social work field, specifically with foster children, I agree that some people have absolutely no place having children. The children born to people like this are the ones who suffer and the taxpayers are paying for it, as well.

honeychile 05-12-2004 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by DZHBrown
It would be nice if this sort of ruling could stand. After working in the social work field, specifically with foster children, I agree that some people have absolutely no place having children. The children born to people like this are the ones who suffer and the taxpayers are paying for it, as well.
Sing it!

You have to take a test to have a driver's license, be at least 18 to vote, be at least 21 to buy cigarettes, yet any idiot who is able to conceive can have children.

There is just no justice...

AXO Alum 05-12-2004 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by KillarneyRose
To heck with Political Correctness, anyway. I agree with you 100%!
"Political Correctness means always having to say your sorry"

I just love that bumper sticker :p

As for the judge - I think that he was just trying to make a point as certainly there is no way to prevent more children via legal channels.

aggieAXO 05-12-2004 06:39 PM

I personally have no problem wtih regulating the number of children that are born or who should have children.. I deal with STUPID people everyday and these people are breeding-it is very very scary. This world is going to be a very different place in 20-30 years.

Munchkin03 05-12-2004 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
This isnt really on the topic..but something that pisses me off is that I know so many couples trying to have children and can't get pregnant...but it seems a crackhead can pop out a baby when they get good and ready...:rolleyes:
Or a 17-year old high school dropout with no career skills or real life on the horizon. It seems that people in the most inappropriate situations in which to have a child are the most fertile. :mad:

Rio_Kohitsuji 05-12-2004 10:12 PM

I have 2 older sisters that are Social Workers. After seeing and hearing what the kids they work with have to go through and how the worthless parents don't care and will have another baby just for an extra $50 on their welfare check, I support that judge!

Once again, I believe you need a license to breed!

norcalchick 05-12-2004 10:38 PM

i think someone ought to start a petition on this. i'm sure you could get a bunch of signatures for it, especially from the rich republicans/middle class. i'm sure they all hate having their taxes go to people like that.

AGDee 05-13-2004 12:29 AM

As much as I agree that some people should not have kids, the idea of requiring a license to have kids is totally unenforceable.

Dee

texas*princess 05-13-2004 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by DZHBrown
It would be nice if this sort of ruling could stand. After working in the social work field, specifically with foster children, I agree that some people have absolutely no place having children. The children born to people like this are the ones who suffer and the taxpayers are paying for it, as well.
I completely agree.

I don't think these types of people have more and more children because they think they can afford to take care of more. If that is the case, they need to get their heads checked.

1savvydiva 05-13-2004 01:07 AM

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Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
This isnt really on the topic..but something that pisses me off is that I know so many couples trying to have children and can't get pregnant...but it seems a crackhead can pop out a baby when they get good and ready...:rolleyes:

I know that wasn't Politically Correct to say...but yall know Im gonna says it how i feels :p

LOL...it seems true though! It seems that a side effect from crack use is an extra fertile uterus! :p

[sidebar]If I ain't already in the handbasket, I'm sure that that just secured my spot[/sidebar]

XOMichelle 05-13-2004 01:44 PM

Wow! It is not the government's place to say when we can and can not have children, no matter how bad our decisions are. It is not something the goverment can regulate, even if you think certian people shouldn't have any more children. The more regulation occurrs, the less freedom we have.

Lady Pi Phi 05-13-2004 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by XOMichelle
Wow! It is not the government's place to say when we can and can not have children, no matter how bad our decisions are. It is not something the goverment can regulate, even if you think certian people shouldn't have any more children. The more regulation occurrs, the less freedom we have.
Absolutely!

But at the same time, how to get it through some people's thick skulls that just because you can pop out a 5,6, 1000 children doesn't mean you should?!

Love_Spell_6 05-13-2004 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by XOMichelle
Wow! It is not the government's place to say when we can and can not have children, no matter how bad our decisions are. It is not something the goverment can regulate, even if you think certian people shouldn't have any more children. The more regulation occurrs, the less freedom we have.
True indeed...but when the children get here..who's place is it to provide for them when the parents don't? Hmm... So the government can't say when and where to have children..but can be forced to provide in the form of welfare etc... :rolleyes: :confused:

msn4med1975 05-13-2004 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by XOMichelle
Wow! It is not the government's place to say when we can and can not have children, no matter how bad our decisions are. It is not something the goverment can regulate, even if you think certian people shouldn't have any more children. The more regulation occurrs, the less freedom we have.
This is one area that needs a little more regulation. Too many folks are having kids they can't support, don't necessarily want and we are all being held responsible. Everyone shouldn't be a parent no matter how inherent we think this right is. And before anyone mentions adoption when was the last time someone opted for adoption before they used up tens of thousands of dollars trying to get pregnant via in vitro fertilization. Besides there are thousands of kids waiting to be adopted (that we are still supporting) because someone opted to have a kid they couldn't support. If you have to have a license to do the most basic things why not be a little MORE supervised in raising a human being? I am not saying when and where to have it but some basic parenting classes would BE GREAT if nothing else. So folks can understand both the emotional AND financial responsiblity that children bring into your life.

Optimist Prime 05-16-2004 04:32 AM

I agree with the judge completely. The foster system is overcrowded as it is, not to mention the general population is out of control, and we don't need any more useless people popping out kids that will end up costing society even more money.


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