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Local/Regional "Greek Letter Organizations"
I searched and I did not find a posting related to this topic. SO here I go. How do members of "Real" greek letter organizations, feel about the local/regional organizations i.e. T phi T (Track Team) Me pho (Football team), Swing phi Swing, and other organizations that use greek letters, and behave as GLOs?
I am down south and at the school I frequent, we have B phi B (baseball), Me phi, T phi T, and a few others, that have line names, crossing dates, etc. |
Are you referring to non-greek organizations who just adopt greek letters, because here in Illinois there are two regional fraternities that are very popular Beta Phi Pi and Phi Rho Eta.
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@Alias_01, yes, that's exactly what I am referring to. How do you feel about this?
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I think that they are annoying. Why not just call them what they are; clubs, teams or fellowships. Leave the Greek letters for the fraternities and sororities. Even honor societies with Greek letters annoy me just as much. FAN CLUBS SUCH AS G PHI G (yes we all know about the Gerald Levert Sorority) ARE THE WORST. HOW OFFENSIVE. Local and Regional GLO's are something totally different from organizations that aren't fraternities or sororities using Greek letters.
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Redd, are you referring to Southern?
SU has Base Phi Ball(the baseball team), Cheer Phi Leader(cheerleading squad), the numerous band frats(T Phi T, S Phi D, T.O.P. Bus Two, etc.), and of course, the homemade "non-greek" groups(U Phi U and QTPi). The band frats and the sports-oriented groups have existed for years, but one day they decided to get paraphernalia like actual Greeks. When I first got to SU, they just went through their little hazing and only they really knew what group they were in. Now they want to be seen. I guess everybody wants to be a part of something nowadays http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif |
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Anyway, when I attended Central State, there was actually a fraternity called Players, Inc founded in 1973 and their "letters" was P$I. Their colors was green and gold and their call was P-SIII! I ought to know, cause my dorm room was next to a P$I and he had a green and gold banner on his wall. There was also a card-playing frat called The Syndicate (letters being SYND). Go figure.... One other frat that was on my campus that I wonder if anyone here has heard of and that was called Delta Psi Chi. Their colors were maroon and gold and from what I know they was founded in Milwaukee in 1985. Just my two cents... RM |
Well, to put a new twist, how about a black non-NPHC fraternity that is however part of NIC? (Ex. Phi Eta Psi Fraternity, founded in 1965 at one of the Michigan universities. They have about 22 chapters, in Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio). They are not part of NPHC but I was kinda surprised that they were members of NIC. But then again, Iota was part of NIC before they became NPHC, so that may not be as much of an issue.
Anyway, when I attended Central State, there was actually a fraternity called Players, Inc founded in 1973 and their "letters" was P$I. Their colors was green and gold and their call was P-SIII! I ought to know, cause my dorm room was next to a P$I and he had a green and gold banner on his wall. There was also a card-playing frat called The Syndicate (letters being SYND). Go figure.... One other frat that was on my campus that I wonder if anyone here has heard of and that was called Delta Psi Chi. Their colors were maroon and gold and from what I know they was founded in Milwaukee in 1985. Just my two cents... RM Not just SU, I am at another school for summer school, and they have Me phi and other assorted "Greek Letter "Using" Organizations". Even the Housing staff (ra's, desk workers, hall directors) want to start a GL"U"O, Rho Alpha. lol [This message has been edited by reddnhott2020 (edited July 24, 2001).] |
kinda of related--
I have always wondered if memberships into such organizations would preclude one from joining a BGLO? I knew a girl a few years back that was a member of Swing Phi Swing (?.. I think) and she wanted to join a BGL sorority. I commented that she might not be able to but she was adamant that she could. Dunno what happened to her since I moved away shortly thereafter. Anyone know the answer? I am more curious than anything as I have encountered very few people from these regional or non-greek based (but using greek letter) organizations. [This message has been edited by pointNclick (edited August 08, 2001).] |
We have all kind of stuff at Alabama A&M ...Track Phi Track etc.... Not until I read this did I think they were at other schools. And here I was thinking that all of this stuff was only going on at my school. The football team has something and when we (the Delta's) were having a greek step off on this strip on campus they had the D.J. give them a shout out.... I was like WTF is that. They (football team, girls basketball team) partywalk and stuff and at this party someone walked through the football players line and from there on the violence erupted.
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I'm wit Showstopper1908: Just a bunch of clubs posing as wannabes. I saw a cat at Randall Park Mall in Cleveland one day recently with an upside down psi on his chest. When I asked him what it meant, he said, "Death." http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif
I mean really, what's the point? How will anyone ever take us serious in light of such silliness? |
I attend a HBCU and we have numerous:
1. F Phi B = Foot phi ball = football frat (Why do they have thier own bench, Colors, handshakes and call???? and last year they tried to get "sweethearts"?? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif Why does everyone think they are the "Krunkest" which they are. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif and to top it off, every other week, they have themselves a parade on Campus!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif" 2. B Phi B = Base Phi Ball = baseball (they are sorry though) http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif 3. G Phi G = Glory Phi GOD = Religious Coed Fraternity [This message has been edited by Nice1 (edited August 08, 2001).] |
I think that such organizations are only annoying when they "Greek-bash." You know GDIs that "pride" themselves in being "individuals," therefore having no need for Greekdom. Why join an organization that mimmicks a GLO? Uh...that makes sense.
However, fraternities and sororities do not have claim over Greek letters...actual Greeks (people from Greece) do. So, Honoraries (sociology honories, etc.) have every right to use greek letters. In my opinion, the honoraries are not emulating GLOs, nor do they conduct themselves as such. Many honoraries are older than the oldest GLO, too. Greek Love, CHAOS |
That's the funniest thing I've ever heard!
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Hey, what you doin in my mall???? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif LMAO that you even asked this fool what it meant and expected to get a decent answer. LMAO!! I mean, come ON! He had an UPSIDE DOWN Greek letter on his shirt. That's like one of us walking around with an upside down G on our shirt, and then saying it meant ghetto. That's just stupid. LMAO. I'm delirious. I'm goin' to bed. LOL, I just can't stop laughing at this!!! ROTFLMAO! |
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That's like one of us walking around with an upside down G on our shirt, and then saying it meant ghetto. lMBAO!!!!!!! now THAT was funny. (upside down G!!) still laughing!!!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif |
I saw a dude with the Greek letters "Omega Psi Beta" on a jersey...and it was apparently bought that way b/c it was an clothing line that made disc jockey-related clothing, or something. It was meant as a joke and a mockery...I told him be careful b/c some folks would miss the "Beta," and see "Omega Psi," assuming "Phi" was the last letter.
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Hi, Just want to bring this back up!!
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I wanted to bring this back up to get a renewed opinion. Both of these organizations are now active on several campuses, serving the community and promoting sisterhood and brotherhood. I don't feel that we are trying to be "GREEK", because several members (almost all) go on to pledge other organizations and still remain very active in the other. It also brings about unity because the Social organizations and Social Service Organizations |
Let Me Just State the Facts...Period!!!
To put all of the self proclaimed Negros to rest and trying to diss my Fellowship, I just had to respond. Number One to give you some brief History on my beloved Organization, We were founded October 12th 1962 at Morgan State College(Now University) by Fellowmen Glenn Brown, Raymond Clark, John Conquest, Walter Goodwin, Bary Hampton, James Hill, Charles Johnson, Nathaniel Monroe, David Nesbitt, Nathaniel Parham, Sr. Harry Payne(Deceased) Barry Simms, Robert Simpson, Woodrow Williams.Fourteen Brothers whom had the vision and determination to see a different path and walk it....
Believe me unlike other orgs. It's truly So Hard, So Hard to be a Man Of Groove Phi!!! And to the chick whom was talking about our OLA!! Sisters of Swing Phi Swing Social Fellowship, Inc. , est. 1969 believe me all of those sisters have the loyalty, and integrity and strength to put every sorority out there to shame. Big Numbers does not always mean a great Organization. Believe me we ain't out begging no one to join our organizations, people seek out and look for us. If someone decides to pledge another org. that's their own damn business, they're the ones whom have to sleep at night in their own damn bed. I know brothers that pledged one org. tried to change the name of it then when that didn't happen pledged the other one because they had better colors...Your organization is what YOU make not the 10% percent of those working to making the organization better. And to call any of those haters out Are you even financial(wearing perry doesn't make you financial), what have you done as a "Black Greek" in you community personally to uplift the race, Did yo ass even vote in this past election!!(excuse me for going ghetto). And unlike the D9 where you are bound to fall if one falls we always shine because WE ARE INDEPENDENT. We stand on our own two feet and rest on no ones laurels. We have not been begging from day one to be with the "Big 8 or D9" because we don't want to. but to close here are some tidbits of info from our National website where one can freely look at the pics and you draw your own conclusions on what constitutes a "REAl" Organization. 100% Black 0% Greek- Why? Because we like being Black...Period! Taken from the national website- Groove Phi Groove Social Fellowship, Inc. What do the letters mean? The "G" (Groove not Gamma) During the 1960's, the word "groove" was popular among young Blacks. Websters dictionary defines the verb groove as "to perform deftly or smoothly." As a noun, groove is defined as "a fixed routine in the affairs of life." Hence to go "against the groove" means to work in opposition to the current establishment. Finally, "Groovin'" was also associated with "socializing" or "fellowshipping". All three of these descriptions combine to form the basic essence of our Social Fellowship. The "Phi" In "Secrets of the Great Egyptians", Peter Thompkins tells us that the Khemit people of Africa (Ancient Egyptians) originated "Phi" as a symbol of the creative function of the male reproductive system and more loosely as "reproduction in endless series". It was a symbolic representation of "the fire of life". This symbol of fertility was adopted in our name to stand for our continual growth and development. Our Phi should in no way be confused with the greek symbol Phi, which takes on the same look but a totally different meaning. Keeping in step with the reawakening of what has been termed, Black Consciousness, our 14 founders incorporated the prominent cultural and nationalistic ideologies and creeds of the Black Power Movement into an organization that was envisioned and is manifested as a positive alternative to the current fraternal establishment and not an antagonistic organization to the established Black fraternal system or as another Black fraternity without Greek nomenclature At present, the Fellowship has more than 35,000 members, and more than 150 affiliate graduate and undergraduate chapters throughout the United States and London, England. The membership includes a wide-range of backgrounds and occupations, including but not limited to, accounting, engineering, government, medicine, law, information technology, business entrepreneurs, professional athletes, education, skilled crafts, human resources, real estate, protective services, clergy, and the armed forces. The Fellowship's governing structure center's around the National Conclave, which convenes annually to review and approve major business. Between Conclaves the Executive Board of Directors ensures that major business is properly executed through the Fellowship's administrative officers known as the Directorate Staff. The Fellowship's overall structure is ranked-ordered as follows: The Conclave The Executive Board of Directors The Directorate Staff Regional Offices Chapters Individual Members Groove Phi Groove Social Fellowship, Inc., G PHI G, and The Groove Fund, Inc. are registered with the United States Internal Revenue Service as a 501(c)(7) and 501(c)(3) tax exempt entities, respectively, while both have articles of incorporation on file with The State of New Jersey. In addition, the Fellowship's name, letters and emblem are registered with the United States Patent & Trademark Office. |
Re: Let Me Just State the Facts...Period!!!
Hello Mr. GroovePhi62 http://www.plauder-smilies.de/wavey.gif,
My initial reaction to your post was going to be: WTF????? Then.... I was like Naw....I'm not even going to say that isht. I'll just do this http://www.plauder-smilies.de/happy/xyxthumbs.gif -SM |
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Nobody was attacking you PERSONALLY!!! HC she has to be a chick (pointNclick)...can you respect her as a LADY and address her as such, as she meant no disrespect...and I sensed none from her post? It is all good to have pride in your 'fellowship' or organization, or whatever you like to be called...but your immature, disrespectful attitude is EXHIBIT #1 in the case against you...it's exactly what some of the BGLO members were talking about... Dang...brother used the mad smilie and everything! |
Sorry
I am really sorry I brought this up. I just wanted some FRIENDLY criticism or positive feedback, I didn't expect angryman (groovephi...) to be so hostile.
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Re: Let Me Just State the Facts...Period!!!
First of all, I think there was a HUGE misunderstanding with this thread from the outside looking in. Reddnhot2020, you used the wrong terminology to phrase your question. I think the original question was how people feel about made up groups that have greek lettering, not how people feel about local and regional greek orgs because they are not the same thing. Local and regional greeks are REAL greek organizations that are not affiliated with NPHC, NIC, IFC, or NPC. They have nothing to do with the baseball, basketball or some of the other examples people listed. I can see how Groovephi might have taken offense to people saying that regional/local groups aren't real but the topic here had nothing to do with the actual greek organizations.
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What I have never understood about groove phi groove is how they are so adamant about distancing themselves from bglos...yet they have adopted the very same characteristics of bglo's, i.e. line names, crossing jackets, and much more. wth? |
Explaining the disrtance
Why we have certain things which "black greeks" seem to think they have a patent over.
1. Stepping- Stepping started back while we were in Africa prior to us coming over in Ships (ie; Lines). Stepping (not Stomping) which is what we do, is a form of expression that seperates one village or organization from another. BGLO stepping didn't really start to ghet popular until the late 60's up until then Organizations generally sang songs and chants ALOT!! In saying that, being that we were around in the late 60's as well Chapters followed suit. 2. Crossing Jackets, paddles, peri and the such- that is entirely like in every organization from the Boy Scouts to BGLO's, people want to show that they belong to a uniquely different organization from the next THROUGH THEIR OWN SELF EXPRESSION. GROOVE unlike other Orgs. can do such things without any backlash from nationals. As long as it does not offend another person(s) sex, creed, religion, or beliefs. I myself have a crossing jacket with my number One (Honcho Dammit!!!) plastered on the back our sheild on the left side on the front, and a whole bunch of other stuff on it. 3. To get a point across we do not mimic or want to be like BGLO. First of-because we don't use greek letters, The letters we use are from ancient Kemet not Greece. The Greek society is something we do not honor and by no means want to be associated with. It's hard enough being Black in this society add the term "Black Greek" whew you got a situation on your hands. We Fellowship, We Socialize equating the term Social Fellowship, and lastly we are Incoroporated - Inc. meaning we also take of business (I think you all do the same) We have no interest in joining the D9 or whatever it's going to be called next because we are our own support system, plus the way the Iotas are still being treated makes one wonder about the FULL INCLUSUSION of their Org. into an mindset that has been closed off for so long. SOOOOOOOOO many other Black orgs. have either been in existence over the past 100+ years and yet we stil are walking around with this mentality of what a "standard" is and what it shall be. To anyone whomever reads this post do whatever is in your heart not what your Grandfather, Father, mother or whomever of who's who did. If Black Folk always adheared to "Standards" Hip Hop would not be existance, nor would Jazz, nor would artist like Jimi Hendricks, or Lenny Kravitz. We are an organization of Innovators of the so called "Black Fraternal System". So yes we Step, Sing, Stroll, Clap and everything else that Black Greek Folk may proclaim is "Theirs" and not because we mimic, but because in the collegiate society a fraternal order(which we are) does those things. We do not prophesize about being in touch with the Pharoahs of Kemet but but what we do say is that we acknowledge the birthplace of all higher knowledge is Kemet AKA Garden of Eden in some circles. And being that that is the birthplace of all knowledge why take on letters that have no meaning to myself personally. I GROOVE every day of my life, wether it be working, chilling a the club or with the boys, and lastly while I'm doing the do. :D So in part to answer your question about taking on characteristics that one feels that we as an organization have taken on to "mimic" Greeks. One can't mimic what one helped to create. 100% Black 0% Greek The same way I like my coffee and my woman |
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"It is from these great and ancient sarced and secret societies that the modern African-lettered fraternities and sororities were founded. Like George GM James stated of Greek philosophy, the Greek letters used by Black fraternities and sororities is a misnomer. For though the letters used were Greek, the founders of these organizations understood well their African lineage and origins. Thus the letters masked an even deeper meaning rooted in Africa itself." (taken from http://www.tulane.edu/~rhoiota/roots.html) |
Local Organizations?
Peace and Blessings to all:
As a member of Groove Phi Groove, SFI, I salute the sisters of Alpha Kappa Alpha for your many years of hard work and dedication to the community. I've been a Groove since 1974 and I have enjoyed every moment of my membership. However, like my brother Mr. Wizard, I take issue with Groove being refered to as a local organization. I've had the opportunity to do some globe trotting and have found my Fellowmen in various parts of the world. Not to mention chapters throughout the USA, Canada, Great Britain and the Carribean. I invite those of you unfamiliar with Groove and Swing to visit our respective websites and learn more about us. Over the years I've come to the realization that people are passionate about the Fraternity / Sorrority affiliations. So from where I sit, hey if you wana be greek so be it. If being non greek floats your boat, that's fine too. Here in Detroit, our graduate chapter has joined various organizations in the community service efforts because it's important that we support one another. Sure many people upon hearing about something new have their misgivings and I accept that. But I'm reminded of the bible passage in the book of Luke which states "let your light so shine that men will see your good works". As for me, my plan is to go on loviing and embracing all people of African decent regardless of what organization they are a member of. Finally, if you have an opportunity to take part in a Groove or Swing event, come on in the water is fine. I'm sure you'll fine we're just like you. We have families we want to provide for, careers we want to advance in, mortgages we have to pay and God whom we love to serve. Peace & Blessings, Motor City Groover |
This is kinda late....but anyway...
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I have a friend that is from Milwaukee that is a member of Delta Psi Chi. He attends UW-Whitewater. From what I hear, they're getting pretty deep in Wisconsin... |
Ya'll at a family gathering recently, my 2 of my cousins showed up in some greek tshirts so i thought, until i started to approach them and see what was up, their shirts said B phi W, I was like what is that one said "Bud Fi" the other said "weiser" I was like What are you serious? they showed me their call and hand sign, I was like ya'll are cRaZy!! They told me they have meetings, interest forms and they actually have a MIP with line names.
I asked other people on their campus had they ever heard of this and they all said yeah!! like it was very common, there is actually alot of them.... everytime i see them with their "PARA" on I can't help but to laugh!:eek: :rolleyes: :p :D |
Who cares?
I could really care less what organizations people choose to join. Why should it bother me what letters other people wear on their chest. I am not the arbiter of what is "real" and what isn't "real." People join whatever they choose to join for their own reasons.
Most of the time I don't even notice what letters other people are wearing; I'm just sooo happy that I'm A-K-A that it's hard for me to see past my pink and green glow. :D |
Hey 2003! That was the funnest summer of my high school days.... :)
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hahahaahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaha LMBO |
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From an independent org's standpoint, it bothers me when I hear about that type of stuff because now everyone thinks that all independent orgs are trying to just "be greek" for the wrong reasons...which is not true. |
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