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decadence 05-07-2004 08:02 PM

[Poll] Hon etc...
 
Straw poll:

Inspired by a recent comment on here...

I often see terms of endearment such as 'hon' 'kitten' 'honey' etc online. I also see them employed to soften what a poster is 'saying', in the same way emoticons are widely used to indicate something should be taken in a positive spirit. I do not (from the posts I recall) draw the conclusion they are used here with intent to patronise, compartmentalise or perceive people using them to be wielding imagined gender superiority?

But:

Female GC'ers, do you find use of these terms offensive in this GC context?
Please answer yes/no.

starang21 05-07-2004 08:50 PM

don't women use those words, too?

decadence 05-07-2004 09:29 PM

Chick, Hon etc
 
I hadn't really thought about the feminist concept angle, starang21.
But yes, women, including women who specifically self-identify as feminists may well use it. Feminists in the correct context of equality not supremacy obviously.

decadence 05-07-2004 09:32 PM

Hello! POLL anyone? lol :D !!

James 05-07-2004 09:34 PM

Women use terms of endearment in casual ways more than men do Decadence.

decadence 05-07-2004 09:36 PM

So you suggest it's do as I say not as I do? :p
 
I use them casually and pleasantly. Et je suis un homme.

James 05-07-2004 09:38 PM

I agree with you Twostep . . good reference.

Quote:

Originally posted by twostep
Not written by me: There are too many feminists that support female superiority instead of equality between genders. From what I've seen, the feminist movement is complete. The rights of women have improved vastly over the years. I have yet to see any public discrimination towards any woman. In my opinion, white men are one of the most discriminated people in America (second only to homosexuals).

Men have been unfairly branded as bigots and sloths by the mistakes of their predecessors. Not all feminists are sexists, but I've met quite a few who are. William Lloyd Garrison was a man, a white man, who supported both women's rights and the abolishment of slavery. He was nearly hanged in Georgia for his beliefs. He refused to speak at a convention for abolitionism because they did not allow female abolitionists to speak. Yet, I hardly ever hear his nobility mentioned.


valkyrie 05-07-2004 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by twostep
Not written by me: From what I've seen, the feminist movement is complete. The rights of women have improved vastly over the years. I have yet to see any public discrimination towards any woman. In my opinion, white men are one of the most discriminated people in America (second only to homosexuals).
That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time. I'm curious as to who said it.

As for the poll -- I can't give a simple yes or no answer. I wouldn't call it offensive, but I don't like it when guys call me hon or honey or whatever, and I dislike the word chick.

starang21 05-07-2004 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by twostep
Not written by me: In my opinion, white men are one of the most discriminated people in America (second only to homosexuals).

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!

i'm glad that wasn't written by you because has to be hands down the most asinine comment i've ever heard.

cherrycola 05-07-2004 10:12 PM

I don't mind it since I often use sweetie or hon when talking to people.

Kevin 05-07-2004 10:29 PM

Re: So you suggest it's do as I say not as I do? :p
 
Quote:

Originally posted by decadence
I use them casually and pleasantly. Et je suis un homme.
Et vous etes un 'brit', non?

In the US, I have a feeling I'd get bitch slapped if I used that phrase in casual conversation with women. Must be different on the other side of the Atlantic.

WCUgirl 05-07-2004 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by twostep
Not written by me: There are too many feminists that support female superiority instead of equality between genders. From what I've seen, the feminist movement is complete. The rights of women have improved vastly over the years. I have yet to see any public discrimination towards any woman.
This is just ridiculous. Where did you find this?

AXJules 05-07-2004 11:26 PM

I do not mind when people use sweetie/hon/whatever with me, as long as we are on a comfortable, friend level. When I have never even met you and your greeting is "Babe can you use a different computer? My disk is in that one." I'm insulted and pissed. It just implies that we're friends or that you can take liberties my friends do...it's kind of hard to explain, but also related to my other pet peeve- when people call me Jules. Kind of ironic, on here its all I'm called, which is fine b/c it's my screen name...but IRL if you're not a good friend of mine it will really piss me off. For some reason I get the feeling you're going to take advantage of me.....

I know, I'm strange.

AGDLynn 05-07-2004 11:35 PM

I can't stand when certain people call me sweetie..It instantly raises my bloodpressure and I cringe.I can't tell them because it would cause more problems than it's worth.

KillarneyRose 05-07-2004 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by decadence
I use them casually and pleasantly. Et je suis un homme.
Same as decadence on this one. Mais je suis une femme.

WCUgirl 05-07-2004 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KillarneyRose
Same as decadence on this one. Mais je suis une femme.
English please?

navane 05-08-2004 02:08 AM

Re: Re: So you suggest it's do as I say not as I do? :p
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
Et vous etes un 'brit', non?

In the US, I have a feeling I'd get bitch slapped if I used that phrase in casual conversation with women. Must be different on the other side of the Atlantic.


Just as a point, in Britain - Bristol, England to be specific - I was routinely called "luv" ( as in, a cab driver saying, "Where to, luv?") and "babber" ( as in, "Awlrite me babber?" )

luv = love

babber = baby/friend

Awlrite me babber = Hey, how's it going? ("Alright my friend?")

Heh, if you all are having this much trouble with "hon" and "sweetie," you haven't seen the world. ;)

I luved liven in Bristle, I did. Tho, mauve yer in Californiawl now. I luved me those cabbies; them blokes is mint. When I wonna lern the krekt waiter's peak Brissle, I ast them, I does. Them smart innum?

Whas fink of ee then me babber?

:D

.....Kelly :)

KillarneyRose 05-08-2004 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AXiD670
English please?
Sorry; it just means that I'm a girl :)

WCUgirl 05-08-2004 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KillarneyRose
Sorry; it just means that I'm a girl :)
Thanks. I only took 6 years of Spanish, but nothing else. :D I assumed femme was related to female somehow, but we all know what assuming does.

sororitygirl2 05-08-2004 02:25 AM

It's all situational, but for the most part, I don't mind terms of endearment being used casually - unless you can tell it is in a patronizing, mean-spirited way... In which case, my reply would be "F**k you, sweetie!" :)

kddani 05-08-2004 10:42 AM

If it's someone I don't know, or if the context is clear (like if something bad happened "oh sweetie" is okay), then they're fine.

But if it's from someone I don't know or don't really get along with or if the context is unclear, it can annoy me. Sometimes they can come off as patronizing.

I use the term "hon" a lot IRL, but only to people I know and that I know it doesn't annoy...

Kevin 05-08-2004 11:18 AM

Re: Re: Re: So you suggest it's do as I say not as I do? :p
 
Quote:

Originally posted by navane
Just as a point, in Britain - Bristol, England to be specific - I was routinely called "luv" ( as in, a cab driver saying, "Where to, luv?") and "babber" ( as in, "Awlrite me babber?" )

luv = love

babber = baby/friend

Awlrite me babber = Hey, how's it going? ("Alright my friend?")

Heh, if you all are having this much trouble with "hon" and "sweetie," you haven't seen the world. ;)

I luved liven in Bristle, I did. Tho, mauve yer in Californiawl now. I luved me those cabbies; them blokes is mint. When I wonna lern the krekt waiter's peak Brissle, I ast them, I does. Them smart innum?

Whas fink of ee then me babber?

:D

.....Kelly :)

I've been around.

I'm just saying that where decadance lives (and you corroborate this), things like "sweetie", etc. are commonly used.

Where I am, in Oklahoma, at least in my circles, it is considered something that you'd use condescendingly.

justamom 05-08-2004 11:26 AM

It's ALL about "tone" for me.

navane 05-09-2004 01:45 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: So you suggest it's do as I say not as I do? :p
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
I've been around.

I'm just saying that where decadance lives (and you corroborate this), things like "sweetie", etc. are commonly used.

Where I am, in Oklahoma, at least in my circles, it is considered something that you'd use condescendingly.


I wasn't trying to disagree with you; I was only trying to be informative about the different kinds of terms found in different places! :)


.....Kelly :)

Glitter650 05-09-2004 12:34 PM

as long as it's not being used in a patronizing way... there's a lot worse things someone one could call me IMO

veemers 05-09-2004 12:54 PM

I'm not offended. If someone were to call me hun or sweetie in a patronizing way, well, there are a lot of worse things I could be called, so I really don't care.

kafromTN 05-09-2004 01:13 PM

I know I'm not a female so my vote might not count, but I live in the South and I love it when an older lady calls me hon, sweetheart, sweetie etc. such as when I go to a restaurant.

Just my $.0156658 worth
Mark

Sistermadly 05-09-2004 03:09 PM

My personal feeling...
 
No man should call me hon, sweetie, sugar, or any other diminuitive unless he knows me well.

No one, male or female, should call me gal. Ever.

PlymouthDZ 05-09-2004 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by justamom
It's ALL about "tone" for me.
co-sign!!!

sugar and spice 05-09-2004 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by twostep
Not written by me: There are too many feminists that support female superiority instead of equality between genders. From what I've seen, the feminist movement is complete. The rights of women have improved vastly over the years. I have yet to see any public discrimination towards any woman. In my opinion, white men are one of the most discriminated people in America (second only to homosexuals).

Ditto on whoever "ahahahaha"ed this. Give me an effin' break.


And I agree that using these terms pleasantly is fine, I'm all for it -- but often online (especially on GC) they are used in a much more patronizing manner (coughJamesI'mlookingatyoucough). It's annoying, but at the same time it's not something that's going to raise my blood pressure. I mostly just ignore it.

Ginger 05-10-2004 10:35 AM

Doesn't bother me (in fact I kind of like it!) as long as it's in a pleasant tone. It's the patronizing ones that make my blood boil.


I'm extremely guilty of calling random people and small children "hon" or "sweetie". As in "You dropped something out of your purse, hon" or "Where's your mommy, sweetie?"

If I've offended anyone with it, they haven't shown any reaction!


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