beer in the house?
 

how do you handle beer/kegs/cans in the house? In states with
the drinking age under 21, the President is subject to arrest as
considered the enabler. What does adviser/board do? In the 50s we had clean house, but had a housemother too. This is but
one reason why risk management costs so high. This is ignoring the condition of the house...usually in shambles.
We do not want to yank the charter but when the guys don't listen....your opinions, please. TKE board member of 40 years

thats as far as national sororities go... depending on rules and whether you own your house....

my sorority owns our house- and always has- so the same rules really apply- we don't go parading around about having beer in the house- but there usually is- and we hold open parties and mixers there regularly...

as far as national fraternities- etc go- i'm not really sure how things operate- i would say as alumni and a board member- you guys have quite a bit of say of what goes on- but i really wouldn't have too much advise.. sorry:(

I know that NO Delta Gamma chapter can have alcohol on the house/lodge/floor/dorm/etc. property at all.

Additionally, no NPC sorority at my school is allowed to.

All the Fraternities at my school (NCSU) ARE allowed to have alcohol on their property...and do.

My chapter's house is voluntarily dry -- we don't want the stuff at the house. It makes it a bad place to study. I think it's actually pretty nice to have a place that we can go and party where there will be no alcohol.

If there was a keg at our house, I suspect there'd be a brief show trial followed by an execution of some sort.

NO for all the sororities here too. We dont hold parties or mixers or anything. Its a HUGE deal if you would and we would get our charter yanked so fast. We follow the rule pretty close.

All the frats on our campus have parties except FIJI who is dry. I know that when people hear party not only do greek people come out, but tons of people so it can get crazy. Usually the police come by and call it quits if its loud so it doesnt get too out of control.

Our whole campus was totally dry. Anyone with a house on campus couldn't have alcohol, sorority or fraternity. I'm not sure about the off-campus houses, though--a few fraternities had those, but they never had parties in them...they usually just used a member's off-campus apartment or house.

I don't think any of the sororities were allowed to have alcohol within their house. It's their Nationals' policy.

We had a dry campus as well. When the fraternities had parties, they had to be registered. The police came to check on IDs and gave wrist bands to those who were 21 & up.

This is Pi Beta Phi's statement on alcohol.

Alcohol-Free Housing resolution

Whereas,
An alcohol-free living environment provides cleaner, safer facilities which are conducive to our mission of scholastic excellence and where behavior consistent with Fraternity principles can flourish; and

Whereas,
The misuse of alcohol by college and university students is contrary to the founding values and the standards of Greek organizations, detracts from the mission of higher education of our host institutions and endangers student welfare; and

Whereas,
All Pi Beta Phi Fraternity chapter facilities are and have always been alcohol free; and Whereas, Several National Interfraternity Conference fraternities have committed to, or are considering, establishing alcohol-free housing by the year 2000; and

Whereas,
Pi Beta Phi desires to be supportive of National Interfraternity Conference fraternity alcohol-free housing; therefore, be it

Resolved
That beginning with the fall term of the year 2000, Pi Beta Phi collegiate chapters will cosponsor functions at men's fraternity houses, dorms or lodges only if those facilities are alcohol free.


(found at http://www.pibetaphi.org)

I know on my campus (as of right now only 1 sorority and 1 fraternity have a house), the Phi Sigma Sigma house is owned by the university so no alcohol allowed in the house unless you are 21. Dorm rules apply. But I am pretty sure they don't allow acohol in their house anyway.

As for Theta Chi, they've been dry for awhile and now that Theta Chi is dry Nationally, they don't have alcoholic parties in their house and mixers are always dry anyway. They own their house, the university doesn't.

My bf's house, Theta Chi also at another school, only the brothers drink in the house (gf's too if of age) and then deposit the alcohol themselves. Also, only 21+ can drink which now isn't the case because they are all 21. They don't throw parties either. It is rare to see a brother drink in the house. I barely see them drink in the house only because they have a bar directly behind their house and one down the street. Lucky boys!:rolleyes:

Phi Sigma Sigma's national housing policy states that no alcohol is ever allowed in a sorority facility, ever - just as an FYI

I am 99% sure every NPC group has the same policy.

We're voluntarily dry in the eyes of Beta's GF, but we're in accordance with University rules about approved housing, so it's kinda mandated...the U isn't that great about enforcing it, and so their are some houses that are "damp" however no one parties in their house here at Nebraska any more. Some houses might host an afterhours at their house on campus, but such things are usually small, and I think have decreased a lot in the time that I've been here.

We have very set guidelines as to what happens if one is suspected of having alcohol in the house. Basically 3 execs have to be present for them to decide to search a room. If you voluntarily admit to it the first time you don't get fined, but you are sent to our judicial board.
If you don't admit to it and its' found...then the first time it's $100.
2nd time regardless of admittance $200
plus judicial board and whatever punishment they hand out.
3rd time is $300, and removal from the house, kicked off the roll, and you really don't exist anymore.

In the three years I've been here, the only time there have been any problems is people taking alcohol through the house on the way to somewhere else. No one has been caught with alcohol in their room, and it's not b/c we don't go searching, but b/c there really isn't any. If there is, it's probably less than a 6 pack in no more than 3 rooms throughout our 64 man capacity house.

On our campus, no sorority can have alcohol in the house.

But at the Fraternity houses... it's a free-for-all. We have one house that is dry, but honestly, I've NEVER been in that house when there wasn't a keg/bottle of Jack/case of beer being consumed. Another house "checks" IDs at the door. This consists of "Hey are you 21?" , "Of course I am!" However, this same house is the one that has a cop (an alum of the org) stand at the front door, he is also very uncaring a/b underage drinking.

The houses on our campus are pretty much unregulated. The Greek advisor for the guys doesn't really care what goes on. So, when the police show up at a party, the guys are on their own. But the police here are fairly understanding so nothing too bad has ever happened. But the police have been known to hand-out DUAs to various people they see at/in the house.

I thought Sigma Nu and Phi Delts led the way a few years ago to mandate dry houses by a certain date, right? (OK, Farmhouse has always been dry, but your two orgs were the first to revert back to the old standards of being dry)...

One thing I always found interesting is how much more trouble a chapter can get in (from an insurance perspective) for kegs versus open, individual containers....anyone with expertise care to elaborate?

Why I was stumped was in seeing a party of about 30 guys with a keg (for 30 guys...no big deal, right?), but the house next door held a function for 80+, but had CASES and CASES of beer (as far as potential individual intake, the cases of beer provided at least twice as much alcoholic beverages per member than the keg could have)...but both parties were busted, but the keg party got the worst of the sanctions, AND saw insurance go up.

These two orgs had a similar history in the past, so it isn't like one chapter was asking for more trouble...it was the keg that was singled out in the reports.....

What i remember from when i was an active, is that a house can go voluntarily dry, or can be required to be dry based on naional's decision. I know for us, we were restricted to one alcohol event at the house for a semester, due to our grades not beating the all male average.

Not during events, however, there was beer at the house that was purchased by those residents that lived there.

The deal about kegs is that it's percieved as encouraging mass consumption. Even when we had parties, the beer had to be in individual containers and when using a ticket system, only one drink could be given to a brother(or friend) at a time. It is supposedly supposed to regulate the amount of alcohol you can drink in an allotted amount of time.

Kitso
KS 361

At our 2000 Grand Chapter, there was a provision that IHQ was really pushing hard requiring mandatory dry housing. One of the great things about Sigma Nu is that for HQ to make a change like that, they have to get the chapters to agree to it (or at least a simple majority). They failed to get that vote so we're not officially dry.

What Kitso said reflects what they came up with as a comprimise.

AchtungBaby80 - I think the total dry campus does not mean there is a total ban, but certain guidelines that must be followed regarding parties. Like a third party vendor.

From "The Encyclopedia to Greek Life at the University of Kentucky" regarding alcohol policy.

"Main points include: 'open' parties are prohibited and now members must sign up before on a guest list, there can be no use of chapter funds for the purchase of alcohol, alcohol can not be centrally distributed, no one under the age of 21 is allowed to bring alcoholic beverages onto chapter premises, and Greek Social events must be registered the Tuesday prior to the event in the Greek Affairs office."

From "Guidelines for Event Planning at the University of Kentucky"

1. All events must comply with the University of Kentucky Alcohol Policy, Administrative Regulation II-1.1-4, as well as state and local law.

2. For events serving alcohol, an insured, licensed, third-party vendor should be hired by sponsoring organizations.

3. Events or activities must/should be ticketed or they must/should be closed to all but members of the sponsoring organization and guests.

4. The sponsoring organization and the contracted vendor must take steps to identify members and guests of legal drinking age, including the check of an officially issued state or federal identification.

5. Direct or indirect purchase of alcoholic beverages by sponsoring organizations is not permitted.

6. Alcohol must/should not be sold, directly or indirectly, by sponsoring organizations through any means, such as tickets, admission charges or donations.

7. Transportation alternatives should be provided by the sponsoring organization for members and guests.

8. Advertising the presence of alcohol and/or encouraging the use of alcohol is not permitted in event promotions.

9. Non-alcoholic beverages and food items are to be served and conspicuously displayed.

10. Alcohol must/should not be the focus of membership recruitment activities for registered organizations.

11. The consumption of alcohol or drugs for the purpose of initiation or affiliation with an organization is not permitted.

Re: beer in the house?
 

Erik, so you know, the drinking age is 21 in every state now, and has been for quite some time.

That being said, I've seen a variety of policies, from a completely dry house to houses that had kegs on their front porch. Does TKE have a international policy on alcohol/risk management? I know several other major fraternities do, and I think that'd be the first guideline to follow.

You'll need to have active and involved alumni in order to enforce the policy, because college guys will look for any way possible to skirt it.

Are you gonna turn me in to lose SNu points because i wrote nationals instead of INTERnationals?

Kitso
KS 361 times you'd better not, my chapter designation is lower than yours ;)

only kidding bro :D

booze in the house....more
 

naw, TKE has no policy on alcohol and I think if we did we'd be
hypocrites...In '57-'60 only 2 TKE chapters had legal access to booze...Cal-Berkeley was allowed keg in front yard on Fri aft., &
Cornell had "liquor cabinet" and "liquor bill." All others were not
allowed, only if school would put it in writing...would TKE okay it.
So...yes, we damned well had booze, lots of it. But not in the
house. Good booze, too, not cheap crap. But we used discretion
and did not try to get the girls blotto to deflower them, either.
Beer is bad deal in house, not only for interrupting study hours, but emotion, drunks, messy place...we had pride in that virtually
anyone could enter our house, anytime, and find it reasonably
clean. We had pledge duties, too, to keep up place and it was never considered hazing. Even the Dean Wormers could come and visit and find no fault. But we still had plenty to drink and I
was, perhaps, the biggest drinker of all. BUT, never out of hand,
and if one was...he'd catch hell in next chapter meeting. If we'd
all work at DISCRETION...we'd likely cut our risk management fees
in half. Whaddya say? I say behave or be gone. Sharpen up, be
cool...bein' a drunk will get you fired when you get out in the world...and if we Greeks truly want to offer a good life experience,
we will figure out a way...won't we? Uncle Erik, kindly Uncle Erik

"DISCRETION" What a wonderful word!:)

Erik, is an idiot! Erik has not been aound since Christ was a Corporal, Erik has not Been A Member and Held Many Jobs with TKE and many Schools!

So when you find this reprobate unproductive, then you are not well enough informed!

E C holds to no such dogma for the simple fact that what is going on in todays Greek Society is not of Our Days, when Pledges were Pledges and had to do only certain things that Are Not Pollitically Correct Today. I did not mean Hazing by any streach of the imagination. But, We all have to abide by the Rules.

Live or Die, the rules made are the rules to live by!:)

EC, when you coming Back????

Huh? You awake, Tommy?
 

I am not sure what you were saying, Tom, but I gathered you are
of the opinion that it is o.k. to drink booze in the fraternity house.
Now, never mind if the violator is under 21, as we can go "wink-wink" on that. Never mind if the kid gets blotto and tears up the
place. Never mind if the kid, who has recently broken up with his
girl friend...allows the booze to put him over the edge. Or slips off the roof or falls off the window ledge..duh, double-duh.
And finally, perhaps each of you who think differently should talk
to their respective HQs and ask about the pending law suits.
We have a presumably forever dead chapter in MD with a million dollar lien against it.. alcohol took a life here.
We have at least two chapters where the President of T K E is being sued and will possibly do time 'cause of alcohol violations.
There are other suits, every year, against chapters which we manage to get out of...with considerable expense...monies which
could have been used to help YOU build a house or something!
Troops, this is REAL...Do you have to wait to face the man in the black robe to get the picture? Do you want your folks walking in
thru the cans and barf and then try to tell 'em this is brotherhood
There are bars, lodges, places you can drink...to your heart's content (or wallet's) and not bother that brother who is working
hard to make Phi Beta Kappa.
Think it over...I am old, 68, today....but not ready, not quite, for
the home...and I want all chapters to stay alive and to have alums with good memories of nigh on fifty years, like I do.

well being a local, we can have alcohol if we want, but we usually dont. all the national sororities are not allowed to have alcohol, but none of them follow the rules and do what they want. most of the fraternities have alcohol in their houses. the only one i can think of at the moment that doesnt is Sigma Nu, but that is by their choice. the fraternity houses i hang out at follow the "common source" rule that says no kegs or anything like that and as result they have a fridge full of cases. if their is a keg, it isnt a wide known thing and is put up in someones room or closet or something like that.

Erik,

a tounge in cheek statement! Thought you might get a grin out of it!:D

We also have a no drinking policy in the House. Specifically NO on Kegs any where on the site.

I have always been a firm beleiver that if a Young Person can Vote for our leaders and be in the Military, then they shuold be able to drink alchohol. The problem is when it gets out of hand and trouble insues.

more beer, please
 

Sorry, Tom, misunderstood your stance. CU, the so-called great
party school, has ten NIC fraternities absent. The clowns are still playing musical chairs. But Sig Ep, SAE. TKE and DX are back. Beta, gone for the third time, vows to never return. Got a meeting with our colony about booze; we took Kappa Sig and Phi
Delt pledges...some of them...as they were kicked off last year
along with KA. Some of these new boys want to be hazers and
some want to be house-boozers, and all may be gone in a week
if things do not radically change, soon. Problem is, additionally,
folks...when these houses close, like Delt, or ATO, the University
gloms on to the houses...so, no more beautiful Fiji or SAE ones.
Little by little, and on other campuses, too, the schools are taking
the Greek houses...funding them out of student funds so the gay
alliance and the international clubs can have housing. All because
of booze violations...duh...let us all work together. I would like to
sit down and have ten sociable drinks with you...but not in the
fraternity house! We could resolve our dilemmas, I am sure...so,
whiskey! more whiskey! Uncle E