Is frat life good for Man of God?
 

I am about 1-2 months away from pledging Grad chapter...Omega
I have been around good bruhs and bad. But you don't know the organization fully until you are in
With all due respect I'd like to here from some saved Omegas or ministers.

Do you think that some of the activities that go on and that I will be undoubtedly asked to do, compromise my stand for God

I have heard some Bruhs say "no no problem".....and others say "yeah youre gonna have a hard time"
Secondly how do you handle such situations.

I expect a couple of different replies. I'm sure one of them will be"this is not a question to be asked in this forum".

But I'd just like to hear from Bruhs and Sorors all over the country.

frat2b, you bring up a very touchy subject. And, you're right to expect a couple of different replies--ones that may fall on opposite ends of the spectrum. I would like to offer my personal take, based on my Christian walk and what I believe to be true of God's expectations. I do not and will not speak for any organization or individual.

I pledged a sorority in 1997 and thoroughly enjoyed black greek life. However, before and during that time, I had no relationship with God and did not know His Word. A couple of years ago, that all changed (that's why I haven't been posting on GreekChat like I used to). He saved me, called me into serious ministry, and has given me a major purpose for the kingdom. More importantly, I have received His Holy Spirit, who has helped me fully dissect and understand the divine Word of God. Given what the Spirit has revealed and what I now believe to be true, I have chosen not to be an active member of my sorority in order that I may be an active member of the Body of Christ. I have much biblical basis for my decision, but the following sealed it for me:

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. (Matthew 6:24)

I would be lying to you if I said that I regret my decision to pledge. I had some wonderful times and met some outstanding people. There are people on GC that I care about, which is why I still pop in every blue moon. Yet, even after I crossed, there was still a void in my heart because I knew I was not in God's will. Now that I am walking in synchronized steps with the Lord, I see the greek system and life in general (work, money, relationships, etc.) very differently. This may not be the case for others, and that's fine-- I can't be concerned with what works or doesn't work for anyone else but me. My relationship with God and my Christian walk are irrevocable, nonnegotiable, and nondebatable. A true Christian does not and will not ostracize another for being active, just as I expect others to respect my decision to be inactive.

At the end of the day, you have to make the decision that's best for you, given what you know and believe God's purpose, requirements, instructions, and expectations are for YOUR life.

Hit me up with a PM if you care to talk more on the subject

Hit me on my Pm
 

Hey Frat2b, you need to holla at me in my PM. You have some good questions, you may be giving to much info on this thread, especially if you are saying that you are about to pledge, when pledging is illegal. and please do not refer to men of Omega , and women of DST, as bruhs or sorors. I ain't trying to front you off, just trying to keep the bruhs, and sorors off yo behind.

Re: Hit me on my Pm
 

THANK YOU!! :D

Of course I respect your opinion, but I suspect that our sorors Bishop Vashti MacKenzie, Dr. JoAnn Browning, Rev. Pauli Murray, Minister Gwendolyn Boyd, Rev Shirley Ceasar, and others will respectfully disagree with your application of this scripture.

Re: Hit me on my Pm
 

I couldn't have said it better myself. If you are "about to pledge", then you have no "bruhs" and "sorors":rolleyes:

To the prospective Omega man.
 

For one who has been a Christian beliver for 28 years, and an Omega man for almost 24 years, the question you posed is of utmost importance. If you know to whom you belong, and are willing to be a light, and don't compromise your basic convictions,Omega can be a great learning experience, a real laboratory on life. The truth is that if you live out the Omega ethic and principles,which many brothers don't fully come to grips with, then your Christian walk can be fruitful in Omega. But, as in everything else in life, you have choices,and you can choose to follow the examples of Omega men who are godly and serious about their faith, or fall in with those who aren't. When I was on line back in 1980 as a Lamp, an Omega Man took me aside from the misdt of the lineup to talk to me "off the record." He told me a couple of things that I believe,unbeknownst to him, the Holy Spirit was speaking through him:first, you will meet brothers that you will not like and second, Omega is a religious. These words were meant, I believe, to help me keep my bearings in the midst of the stuff I would face. But positivley, it takes maturity to be a real Omega man. And many Omega brothers don't avail themselves of the opportunities of growing spiritually by their associations with some great Omega men,who are men of God. (By the way, for a while I did as the young lady did and disassociated myself from Omega;but later I did come back to the fold. In retrospect,this had to do with settling,in a mature way, what the Lordship of Jesus Christ meant in my life at that stage of my development, and to see Omega from a different perspective:as a means of serving God and humanity.) Be prayerful and discerning, and do what the LORD puts on your heart. We are each made in the image of God, and that image is not a cookie cutter image. use this occasion(and quandry!) as a avenue of positive growth in God. And God leads by positve conviction which strengthens your volitional abilities;while Satan works by fear which distorts your ability to discern "good and evil":fear of not having options which can be a pull to sin, or fear of failure, of venturing into unknown territory. Be blessed!

Yes, I'm sure they will, and it's fine if they do. I walked away for what I believe to be true. They stay for what they believe to be true. But let's be clear-- a title, license, or church position does not necessarily mean someone is in the will of God. Still, in the end, God will judge and I do believe He's pretty pleased with me. I can't speak for how He feels about anyone else. Their walk is their walk and mine is mine. I can only pray that He's pleased with the way they are living their lives and conducting their ministries, since none of us can ever know that for sure.

Matthew 6:24 is one of MANY scriptures that are applicable. I would be glad to discuss my entire biblical rationale via PM with you or with the members you've listed above. Thanks for your feedback!

on that subject
 

I thank eveyone of you for your replies. I am still learning and I definitely did not mean any disrespect by the term sorors or bruhs.

I must admit, The next morning after I posted this thread I regreted it because I realized that I had given too much info and that it could come back in a bad way.

The men in the chapter that I will go before are very mature, intellegent and men of great integrity (hence my reason for wanting to be apart of them) many are officials in the church so it would be a great place for me.

It's really other members out side this chapter and the activities that I question.

I really enjoyed hearing both sides of the arguement. Let's keep the dialogue going.

Thanks to everyone.

Correction, I meant to say was I am about to enter the membership selection process not pledge process.

I realize pledging has been outlawed please forgive me for this.

Not necessary but thanks for the offer.

I can only comment on my limited experience but I will say the women that brought me into Delta Sigma Theta and the Delta women in my life have always kept me closer to God and in search of the truth with that respect. As others have said if you are living the ideals of your organization much of that means living as a good Christian would. Not a perfect one, but we all know there's only been one perfect individual, but as a good one. Our organziations, in my opinion, would not be allowed to prosper and sustain if they were not acting for the good of others as well as its members. That doesn't mean everyone in the organization will be doing what he or she should but truth be told none of us are ALWAYS doing what we should be doing.

I understand the411's position but I don't see Delta as a master, I only have one of those. Delta is my sisterhood and through that sisterhood I'm able to grow, give and become a better person daily in much the same way I am able to do as I study my Bible and get to know the Lord.

Please see the PM I've sent you. It explains my application of Matthew 6:24.

I can see how painful this is for you. So, it seems that renouncing your membership in Delta is the right thing for you to do. If you want to know how to officially do that hit me up on PM.

It's easier than it sounds...
 

Painful? Not at all! I'm sorry if something I said gave you that impression. Difficult, yes, but far from painful. It was difficult because many of my sorors and greek friends weren't feeling me at all. Because of the way I used to think and act, only a few of them actually took me seriously. Tearing myself away wasn't easy at first because it meant having to end some friendships with people I loved and respected (not all, but many) who put me down because of my new walk. Of course, that just confirmed that they weren't true friends to begin with, right?. I still have a few active greek friends who love me and respect my decision, even though we don't always see eye-to-eye on the issue. For me, pleasing God isn't always easy--especially when my pride, flesh, and boredom get in the way--but it's never painful. I am just so much happier when I know I make Him smile.

Thank you for your offer, but I don't think I need to go through a formal process to demit from the org... Do you? :confused: I cut the cord in my "secret place" with God some time ago. Besides, I can never erase my membership completely, short of getting a serious case of amnesia :rolleyes:. After all, I made history at my chapter and I still have fond memories, good friends, and secrets. Nonetheless, greekdom is my past. Jesus is my present and my future, so greek life fits in only as a part of my testimony and witnessing. Don't worry--the org never has to worry about me changing my mind and wanting back in! LOL

Also, I didn't mention my greek affiliation for a reason. I know many "old head" posters may have already known it, but in this thread, I was careful not to draw attention to the org for those who didn't. As I stated in my initial response to frat2b, my inactivity is not a personal attack on any specific org or the members therein, but rather the action I feel I--me, Alysia--needed to take based on spiritual revelation from God. I'm at peace with my decison and I hope you can be at peace with it, too.

Should you have a desire to do so, let's continue this discussion via PM.

Thanks again, Sister! :)

Re: Is frat life good for Man of God?
 

Well I will add my 6 cents to this discussion ;)

I think that one can compromise their relationship with God in almost anything they do, if there is no balance and things are done that contradict God's word. If you are attending every meeting and going to every activity sponsored by the chapter, but can't find time to be active in the church or have a daily devotional with the Lord..something may be wrong with that picture...just as is the case with work, sports, and etc. What I'm saying is that Omega wouldn't necessarily be the root cause of your lukewarm relationship with God..its all up to you. God wants to be the center of our lives, and he wants us to do things for his glory..not for your own gratification. For me personally, serving God's community is more important than anything. Don't get me wrong, I am an active Delta..but Delta has its place...and I will never dedicate more time to my sorority than I do to church or my relationship with God.

If you are chosen to be a member of Omega, you will be confronted with many things that may not be conducive to your walk with Christ. And at that point it will be up to you to make the decision on which path you take...but if you decide to get drunk at every function, chase the groupies that follow the bruz, and be a OWT que...it will be your decision...it WILL NOT be Omega "corrupting" you.

BGLO's are not a religion
 

Just in case anybody thinks this, let's be clear, BGLO'S are not a religion, nor should they substitute anyones relationship with Jesus Christ. My question to everyone is this. If your organization is in direct conflict with what many of us on GC calim to have, and that is a relationship with God, how are you personally going to see to it that your org doesn't keep you from God? And are you willing to keep your bruhs and sorors of your respesctive orgs accountable to the things of God. Here me when I say this, it seems some of you have taken a personal attack on The411 without having any scriptural bases for your argument. I don't know her personally, but I appreciate her convictions as a christian woman. The bottom line is this. If I met you today, would I see Jesus shining through you or would I just see your letters? Would I see you as Christian who happens to be in a BGLO? or would I see a Greek who claims to be a christian. And please don't excuse your behavior with Matthew 7. Nobody should judge, but I will sure do a fruit inspection. Nobody is perfect, but God never lowers His standards for our lives, because of our frailties, he set them high because of them. You all know my PM holla at the preacha!!!! Cuz I ain't never scared! LOL

Re: BGLO's are not a religion
 

Man of God,

I knew before I posted my response that it wouldn't be well received. I guess that goes with the calling, right? ;) But as my co-pastor says, "Scared is what I'm not!"

Yours in Christ...

The411,
I just wanted to go on the record to say that from what you have said, I sincerely admire your walk with the Lord. Thanks for being a Christian that not only talks the talk..but walks the walk.

Thanks, Love_Spell_6! :D I am by no means perfect in my walk, but I do try to be. I've been delivered from an ugly past, if I must be honest. That's why I'm so passionate about what I do from this point forward; I know tomorrow isn't promised to me.

OH no doubt..none of us are perfect..but its just refreshing to hear a convicted Christian speak! I talk to a lot of people who hide behind the phrase "God knows my heart." But the truth is..he does..and he knows if we are putting our own will before his.

Re: BGLO's are not a religion
 

Here me when I say this. I have not read any personal attacks on the411. Just people expressing what it means to them. Since you only mentions Christians, how do your feel about Muslims or Jews? My sorority turns neither away.

To the411:
Because you do feel so strongly that Delta (or any sorority) is contradictory to your faith, then yes I feel that formally renouncing your membership is necessary. When you became a Delta, you took an oath to a lifetime commitment. If you can no longer honor that oath than yes, cut the ties completely. I am not saying this as a judgement or out of meaness, but I think it is only fair to the sorority that you officially remove your name from the rolls and return all official outward manifestations of your membership. That will completely release you from your lifetime commitment.

What's really going on?
 

My Sister,

I’ve read and re-read my previous posts in an attempt to acknowledge anything that I’ve said to offend you, but I can’t seem to figure out why you are taking the stand that you’ve taken with regards to my personal, God-mandated choice to be inactive. You seem to be taking my decision rather personally, and I’d love to talk with you in an effort to learn why that is. However, twice I’ve invited you to chat with me via PM, and twice you’ve declined. Consequently, I am compelled to respond to you in your comfort zone—a public forum.

If I were to draw an inference from your previous posts, I’d have to translate your words as such: "If you got a problem with the sorority, then why don’t you just get the %#@*& out!!!" Surely that’s not what you’re saying, considering such an attitude is not at all Christian and your org is founded on Christian principles. But, given your present commitment to the org and my past commitment, I think I can understand your hurt—after all, I am a counselor by trade, so let me at least take a stab at what you’re struggling with:

You are one of the GC folks who knew and loved the old me. I was a diehard, OUT member who was braced and ready to represent and defend the org at the drop of a hat. How can that same person go from being a GC moderator to a Jesus-freak who kicks the org to the curb? :confused: Is that how you’re feeling? You’re having a hard time grasping the idea that someone could so easily walk away, given all that we learn and go through to become members. Certainly, I must have never been committed to begin with to leave so easily, boldly, proudly, and confidently! How dare I come in here and tell the world that I choose not to affiliate myself with such an esteemed organization (whose name I've still never actually mentioned as the one I joined)-- an organization you yourself hold so dear. The more I think about it, the more I empathize. I finally understand your resentment and your ceaseless urging that I formally disassociate myself. My heart goes out to you. Here is where your use of the word painful is applicable. It is painful for you to sit back and watch me make what you’ve translated to be a personal attack on the org. So, rather than vent to me privately, you’d prefer to avenge the org via a public rebuke. The greeks need to know that I’ve been put in my place, and it seems that you’ve taken the liberty to do just that. I sincerely pray that I am wrong about all this. At the end of the day, I applaud your passion and determination. I love you, Sister, and it is that love for you, coupled with my desire to see you at your spiritual best that I must say this:

For me (and many other greeks I know, including Deltas), membership in a BGLO was a form of bondage. By bondage, I mean that, through my membership, I found myself outside of the divine will and word of God. Knowing that I was far from God because of my affiliation, I returned to Him through the saving, redeeming, all-powerful blood of Jesus Christ. When I confessed with my mouth the Lord Jesus and believed in my heart that God raised Him from the dead (Romans 10:9-10), I was saved from a life of bondage (i.e. lifetime commitment). Make no mistake about it, it was GOD who called me out of the sorority. When I answered the call, and obeyed His instructions to repent and relinquish my affiliation, I was immediately removed from the rosters, figuratively speaking. God said to me: I, even I, am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake; And I will not remember your sins… State your case, that you may be acquitted (Isaiah 43:25-26). That, dear woman of God, is what freed me from the lifetime commitment.

Let me break it down to you: Once saved, I was acquitted; once acquitted, I was freed;. Once freed I was no longer under any obligation to that which had me bound. That being said, there was not, is not, and never will be a need or justification for me to formally demit from the org. To do so, is to fulfill your proposed obligation to it, to you, or to the members who share your views, despite the fact that I’ve already fulfilled my sole obligation to Christ. My trust is in the living God, not in (wo)man (Psalm 118:8). I know that I have satisfied His requirement, thus I don’t have so little as an angstrom of concern about what is fair to a non-living organization. If it didn’t create me, I owe it nothing. If it didn’t save me, I owe it nothing. If it doesn’t call me, keep me, guide me, or bless me, I owe it nothing. I am God’s.

In my initial post, I stressed that I was speaking from my own experiences and relationship with God and I said that "a true Christian does not and will not ostracize another for being active, just as I expect others to respect my decision to be inactive." But, I have to tell you that--though I suspect it's not your intention at all-- I get the feeling that you’re berating me for a choice that I’ve made for myself based on my personal, unique relationship with my Lord and Savior. You must realize that your tone and deiberate public display might possibly prove my case rather than refute it. I can love and respect you for being an active member of Delta Sigma Theta, but I feel you aren’t giving me or passers-by much of an impression that you can love and respect me for opting not to be. Through spiritual discernment, I know what the conversations have been about me since I posted my response to frat2b. But, I'm spiritual and brave enough to welcome criticism, rebuke, and nasty-toned posts from anyone when they are the end results of my firm stand on the Word of God. After all, Jesus wasn't exactly prom king Himself. If I have to suffer, I'd rather suffer for Him.

I like what preachdawg said about doing a "fruit inspection." Jesus talked a lot about the fruit that we bear (Matthew 7:15-20) and Paul actually differentiates for us the bad fruit or "works of the flesh" (Galatians 5:19-21) from the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22) that is displayed by those of us who belong to Christ. Notice that Paul says fruit rather than fruits, signifying that these nine attributes form a collective whole—neither can exist without the others. Everyday I make sure my fruit is good fruit, and I charge you, my Sister in Christ, to do the same. In doing this, it is my prayer that you are more mindful about the message and tone that you give off when you post. Should you choose to respond again, I hope you take me up on my offers (this makes 3) to talk privately, as this appears to be a very personal issue you have with me. (I am eager to hear that I am wrong in this assumption.)

Hit me up in a PM and I can address the oath issue from a scriptural standpoint. It would be inappropriate to do so here.

I don’t bite, I hug :D

Re: Is frat life good for Man of God?
 

I hope that you have found some of the answers you're looking for but I was wondering if you thought people in the Alpha forum or Kappa forum would give you different answers?

WOW!. You've become psychic, too. I was in no way offended by you or what you have said. (My post to preachdawg was but not to you.) But I am now.

I am not one of the ones who knew and loved the old you-- I only knew you from these boards and not for that long. I was not being facetious, mean, nor judgemental when I said you should officially renounce your membership. You have already done so verbally on here, so why not make it official? Are you just bluffing?

I am not hurt by your decision. I am still a Delta, why should I be hurt if you no longer want to be? And Delta is not my whole life because God has also given me other fulfillments just as He gave me Delta.

I choose to respond publicly because your initial post was made publicly. I see no reason to take it to PM (except to offer you the process for renouncement) because I am not divulging any secrets nor is it a personal attack as preachdawg implied. I sincerely thought I was going to be able to give you a tool to make your conversion complete.

You say that through spiritual discernment you are aware of what the conversations have been. What conversations? Are you sure it is spiritual discernment and not paranoia or even guilt?

And I don't see where anyone on this board has ostracized you. You are the one who said you no longer were a member. Again, I ask, if that is the case why are you so reluctant to turn in your pin and materials to the proper place. Surely you have no more need for them. Or maybe you plan on making a quick buck on e-bay.

Okay, I'm going to stop now. Since I am offended, my response is becoming unChristian-like, and I sure don't want to be accused of being possessed by the devil.

Lightening things up a bit
 

Frat2B,
The conversation over here wasn't hot enough for you--you had to take it to Kappa Korner and Alpha Avenue, too? But you forgot Iota Isle and Sigma Street. :D

This conversation is great, and that's why I'd love to here what other frats have to say on the matter.

I think this subject is probably a debateable issue in any Fraternity/Sorority, especially those that are said to be founded on Christian Principles. So who I really want to talk to are saved folks no matter what BGLO.

But trust me....It's either going to be Que Psi Phi or Nothing for me!

No Doubt!

thanks for all you folk's insight, im glad to see others understand where I'm coming from and some dealing with the issue currently.

It's funny that a question asking people to comment on being greek and a Christian has basically spawned an argument. Great example for this young brother. I feel the conversation between the two Deltas should have been held privately. Who has a conversation with their brother or sister about private family issues in public? I certainly don't. It really makes others question the strength of a family that does. Discretion is key and it seems that very little was used in this case. I know I'll be hated on but who cares.

Not psychic (which is witchcraft), just called of God and not ashamed of it. I am going to lift a strong and mighty prayer to the Father for you, my Sister. I hope you will be tremendously blessed as a result. :D

Re: Lightening things up a bit
 

Cuz, they in the bad neighborhood!

lolol just kidding, these are the jokes. :D

*Puts Senusret in a headlock* ;)

Guilty as charged...
 

Friend, you are absolutely right, and no one has cause to hate on you for it.

My first post was done publicly because I know there are many browsers who have the same question frat2b has about greekdom and Christianity. I would not be the Woman of God that I am if I didn't respond with something that might help someone with the same confusion. As Christians we are to witness for and advertise Christ whenever possible. After a year of not posting on GC, for some reason, I felt compelled to come back to check on a couple of friends. I believe the pull came when it did so that I could be in place when frat2b started this thread. God's timing and works are just awesome and marvelous like that!

BUT--where I went wrong was in publicly engaging in an argument about my choice to be inactive. For that, I apologize to you, to ladygreek, and to all the GC on-lookers. You're right, we should have taken it to PM. I try not to make it a habit to initiate discussions with people via PM because some people may deem it an invasion of their privacy. That being said, 3 times I invited the woman of God to talk privately, but she opted not to and I still do respect her decision. In retrospect, I should have initiated private communication anyway.

You, through your post, have reiterated a lesson that God's been teaching me for a while--to monitor and control my spiritual zealousness! Sometimes, I get SO excited about my testimony and all that He's done for me, that--when faced with controversy and criticism--I sometimes forget that the battle is not mine but His. That's exactly what happened here. I should have let my testimony stand alone in the public forum and responded to questions or rebuttals privately, or perhaps not at all. :rolleyes: The more I walk in my calling and purpose, the more passionate I am about my testimony and ministry, but as recently as yesterday a man of God ministered to me about the importance of finding the appropriate middle ground. I tend to be either piping hot or ice cold with my emotions, but God wants me to find balance and appropriateness. My participation in this thread is an example of how I tend to boil over with excitment (I'm a lot like Paul)! I can feel Abba popping my thigh for taking things too far. :o Thank you for your convicting post.

When it's all said and done, our testimonies are necessary to lift up the name of God. The Word says, "If My name be lifted up I will draw all men unto Me." So, despite the arguing and the drama, if-- through anything I've shared in this thread--at least ONE Christian is challenged to move to another level in their walk... if ONE Christian acknowledges any unGodly behaviors, thoughts or activities and repents for it... if ONE person questions his/her salvation and his/her heart is pricked to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior (Romans 10:9-10)--Ahhh! Heavens open! Bells chime! Angels sing! :D--then nothing I've said has been in vain. The goal is salvation. As Christians everything we say and do must be about souls, not selves.

I'm gonna have to agree with what was stated here prior and on the Kappa forum. If you LET BGLO life to deter you from God it will. However, as I've stated to the411 via PM life is about balance and if you don't have your house in order it's doubtful any relationship you try to have with God, no matter what else is going on with you, will be fruitful. Some people feel that being a D9 member is mutually exclusive from being a good Christian. They are entitled to that opinion but from my perspective and that of the women that I know in D9 organizations our sorority is a bond but the only one in control of our lives is God. I have heard the arguments to the contrary and their explanations as to why they believe it to be so. Now hear me when I say if you want to attribute your walk away from God to an organization that's fine but I know at least I was brought closer to God through the women that initiated us. We may not be par for the course in that respect but God works through us if we allow him and I'm where He wants me to be apparently, living the right way, in order to affect and infuence others to do the same thing.

You are also entitled to your opinion of what happened on this thread. But you can't let a few incidents sway your opinion of any organization, company or person because you may be doing yourself and that other thing a disservice. I'm not saying if you see someone constantly acting a fool to discount that but without knowing the full story watching any exchange between people may leave you with a bias. Could this have been handled differently? I'm sure it could have but doesn't mean it had to be. In this issue I don't think discretion was necessary because of the topic. frat2b was asking the opinion of people on both sides of the issue and that's what he got. I'm sure that's the type of discussion he'd see if he brought a group of 10 random people together in person. It's better that he know NOW that this is another issue that polarizes people and it will ultimately be his decision as to how he handles his relationship with God and fraternity life. But to touch back on what was posted on the Kappa response. If you are having these concerns now and don't feel that you could effectively balance God and Omega it may be a good time to turn away now so you don't end up renouncing something you work VERY hard to attain in the first place.

To LadyGreek
 

Sweety, it is obvious that my statement about some making a personal attack on THE411, was taken the right way from you. The reason being is at know time when you listed some of the woman ministers of your org, did "you" have a ready defense(1Peter 3:15) for her supposedly taking a scripture out of context. Again I don't know her but I was definetly offended by the response, of stating that you would know what these women who have obviously studied God's Word would have to say to this young lady about her statements, and the scriptures she chose to use to get an understanding about her personal relationship with God. And to all that read this, please track this thread and see were it went wrong. I gather if you have any ability to do deductive reasoning you would see that it went wrong when a member of one organization posted about her relationship with God, and how she has had to resolve her own personal conflicts with the being a Christian and being in a BGLO. After that someone [LadyGreek] decided to out her by telling the whole world that she was a member of DST. Problem being if you going to front her off at least have biblical bases for telling her she needs to officially get out of said org. If you have biblical basis to back up your claim that she took any one of the scriptures she used out of context, than please post it publically so we can all know that that there is no conflict with God's word and your org. Cuz right now it is looking like you have a very weak argument outside of your personal passion for DST. And I hope that your passion for Christ is on the same level as for your Organization. I agree with what has been said by others, no BGLO made anyone a sinner, Adam took care of that in the garden. But is your said org helping you on a consistent basis to get closer or further from God. Holla at the preacha Ya'll ! If somebody would say amen I'll stop preachin!!!! LOL:D

My, my
 

Young man,
I just wanted to quote my own post so I could try to read into it what you did. Sorry, but I still don't. I use the words "I suspect," not I know; "...will respectfully disagree with your application," not they will say you took it out of context.

Also, I did not initiate the discussion about leaving the organization. The 411 did. The following are all her words not mine. I was merely offering her the information on how.

"I have chosen not to be an active member of my sorority in order that I may be an active member of the Body of Christ. I have much biblical basis for my decision, but the following sealed it for me:

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. (Matthew 6:24) "

"I walked away for what I believe to be true."

"Nonetheless, greekdom is my past. Jesus is my present and my future, so greek life fits in only as a part of my testimony and witnessing. Don't worry--the org never has to worry about me changing my mind and wanting back in! LOL"


Anyone who has been on this board a minute or has read through previous threads to get a feel for the board before jumping right in would know that the 411 was a Delta. She was a moderator of the Delta forum for crying out loud. So what do I have to back up with biblical scripture?

Lastly, it is not my organization's responsibility to get me closer to God. That is my responsibility. But if anyone feels that belonging to an organization is taking them away from God, then I still stand by my opinion that they should leave the organization--formally and permanently. Delta, like the others, is based on Christian principles, but it is NOT a Christian organization, nor was it ever intended to be the vehicle for my spiritual growth.

I believe I have an understanding of the situation based on the reponses. It seems as if This situation could be compared to a saying I've heard in church,"you can be in the world but not of everything in the world".

So your saying you can be in the frat, but not of all of the frat activities. Am I correct. The thought then is how will you be viewed by others let's say outside of your area on a road trip if you don't want to go and indulge in activities that everyone else is doing, can one expect to be respected or disrespected. (called Kat etc...)

I'd like to hear how some of you have dealt with these situations that have undoubtedly come up.

Frat2b
I'm sure we are helping a lot of people with this conversation.

This is no attack!
 

Wow, I can't believe this thread has escalated to this. I believe that being a part of Delta has been a great experience. I am a preacher's daughter, and I've never felt bound by the organization. We were founded on Christian princinples, and we always incorporate Christ in our chapter meetings, regional conferences, and national conventions. When I was pursuing membership in Delta, I learned even more how to rely and trust in Him because it wasn't about me (and I'm sure many of you experienced the same thing.). Yes, the scripture says that you can't serve two masters, and I make sure that Delta isn't a master of mine. I am very active in my church, and take my personal relationship with Christ very seriously. But I do respect your decision to detach yourself from Delta.

serving 2 masters
 

I actually do see what the 411 was saying about serving 2 masters...but again I think its all about balance. I know MANY people that let their fraternity/sorority consume them to the point where they are nothing without it. All they wear is nalia, all they want to talk about is greek life, the majority of places they go are greek functions.. And I think this says something about the type of person they were before they came into the org.. however this is an example I would give of serving the org as a master. GOD wants to be the center of our lives..he wants to be what we talk about..and he wants to be who we aim to please. Didnt you know our God is a jealous God?? ;) If you're doing this for an organization...whether founded on Christian principles or not...I think you may need to really re-evaluate what the Lord expects from you.

But again its about balance...when I'm out doing Delta Academy work..working with underpriviledged youth...God gets all the glory for that...DST is the vehicle..but God gets the glory!

Re: serving 2 masters
 

Love Spell, I totally know what you're talking about. I've witnessed many people live, breath, sleep, eat, etc. their organization. But I can't blame the organization for that. My motto is: Make the organization, don't let the organization make you. And that's what happens a lot of times. I've had to put Delta on the back burner before, and it's not because I stopped loving the org., it was because I had to handle my business.