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Hey Sorors, Sisterfriends, and vistors! Who all views the MTV show Real World? I was watching the casting special the other night and just wondered who else saw it. At first I was like okaaay this show is getting a little redundant. They cast the same type of people every time. The b^tch, the gay/lesbian, the spoiled brat, etc... But after watching the casting special this time I saw that the cast has alot of color! I am not sure which ones will be going to live in the house or going with Road Rules but I was really glad to see so many people of color selected. I just wondered what you all thought about the people and who you think is going to real world. Me personally thinks that Coral (the complaining black girl) and Ellen (the Asian b^tch) are going to be put in the house together just because they were about to rumble on the casting special show. What do yaw think happened between Sophia and that girl she kissed?????

I saw a re-run of the casting special and realized I know one of the finalists.. this guy Segum. He didn't make it onto either show though. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif

[This message has been edited by SweetestDiva (edited June 30, 2001).]

If you go to the chit chat forum someone posted a link to a spoiler site that gives where everyone is going...HINT Coral (RW) and Ellen (RR) are NOT going to be in the same house....at least thats what the site says http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

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[This message has been edited by meeks (edited June 30, 2001).]

Ok, I admit I enjoy Real World/Road Rule.
I was surprised at the finalist. Yes they have more color to the show, but dang they are all high yellow(biracial). That attractive dark sista didn't get no play.

Okay, I don't know wether to take that comment with a grain of salt or what. Do you think that all LIGHT SKINNED people are bi-racial. Can't we just be happy that color is color?

Personally, I am happy to see more than 1 black person chosen. They have to add one (token) for good measure. I think us complaining about lightskin vs. darkskin is just pointless. Someone mentioned that it is always us (black people) who make it an issue. I don't think Asians worry about if they picked a tan Asian, a pale Asian, an Asian with long hair, etc. They are just happy they put one on the show this go round! I know I am happy to see folks of color, any shade. I wasn't upset that Heather B. on the first show was dark skined and kinda big (unlike myself), she was their representation of black women and I was happy that they decided to include one of us.

Well..I'm not going to get into my opinion of RW/RR..but one of the girls that was chosen is a graduate of MORRIS BROWN COLLEGE (yes, my beloved school)..Nicole..the one with way too much makeup..Hope she reps with pride just like TECK did (another MBC grad) I might just watch because of her n.e whoo..tis all..toodles!

hoping for blue
shanna

Elite asked:

"I just wondered what you all thought about the people...."

I gave my opinion. Color, size, religion, sexual orientation, birth order, school they attend, mother's maiden name, none of that matters to me. I'm definitely not trying to make this a light vs. dark issue, some people are just too sensitive.

I'm used to there being the one token black in the house, but this time there's three - Coral, Nicole and Malik will all be in the RW house.

I'm glad that they didn't pick him b/c I didn't like his attitude. People would think that's how black men really are...which is not true...But, since you know him, ask him Why was he crying b/c he didn't get picked? Why were some of the other folks crying too? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif I'm sorry, but it's not the end of the world--you'd then these people were given a death sentence or something...And why is he SO feminine? I know some guys who are slightly feminine as a result of being raised by all women...but he slept with gloves on!! Come on, now!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

I liked Coral; Ellen got on my last nerve...Coral handled it well (I think). My Mom really wants me to try out for the show, but I might not have been able to handle that situation in the same civil way...(she would have been "checked" severely)...She told Coral to "kiss my baby a$$"...I DON'T THINK SO!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Sophia and Jisela (who says she's not gay or bi) kissing...once again: Come on, now!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif I don't know about that one...Whateva floats your boat...And that guy Angel: he has some REAL issues (he seemed REAL anti-gay to me--and that's NOT cool!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gif )...

"I don't know, you be the judge..."--Hits from the Street

Segun (the boy's name is Alusegun, but whatever http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif ), is indeed very feminine. He dated my sister for a brief moment when she attended University of Houston, and he is truly that annoying and shallow in person. Although I must admit his body is bangin. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif I was never quite sure why she dated him though... the entire time the special was on, I laughed while she cowered in shame. Edited because I forgot the original question about him. I don't know why he was crying really, but earlier in the show he said if he didn't make it, he was taking that to mean he "wasn't special enough" and wouldn't make it in the real world. Like for real. He's just disillusioned I guess.

I think Malik and Nicole will hook up. Maybe Coral can convince him to cornrow his hair... I'm thinking he will be HELLA sexy with his hair braided. Did y'all check those eyes???

Jisela is straight trippin. She tongued Sophia down to help her feel like she belonged?? What. Ever.

I think it'll be an interesting season. I'm especially interested to see how Coral and Nicole get along, because they both seem to have strong, no-nonsense personalities.



[This message has been edited by SweetestDiva (edited July 02, 2001).]

WELL I KINDA LIKE THE REAL WORLD ( ALTHOUGH I COULDNT DO THAT TYPE OF THING) BUT WHY DID SEGUN CRY LIKE A SISSY. DID I MISS SOMETHING.
(BESIDES HE DID NOT MAKE IT) IN MY OPINION WHEN (SOME) BLACK MEN GET ON THE SHOW THEY TRY TO BECOME SOMEONE THEY ARE TRULLY NOT(DAVID WUZ UP WIT THOSE TO TIGHT SAGGING PANTS) THE ONLY GUY THAT I CAN REMEMBER THAT KEPT IT REAL WAS YALLS MAN AND MINE TOO TEC. ( EXCUSE ME IF I SPELLED HIS NAME WRONG

Ms Revelon: No I don't think all light people are biracial. I really I don't care about how you feel about my comment. It was not personal towards you or anyone else who is of light complexion. It was a personal observation I made in regard to Real Worlds selection of finalist. My point is that it's just another way to create controversy on the show.

No Kevin from the first Real World kept it real.


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#10 Sigma (Clark Atlanta University) Spring 1999
Currently: MAL, Southern Region

DST Love...

I agree Kevin kept it real. The brotha was/is DEEP!!! And they haven't been able to find anyone like him...or they don't want to show the world positive, non-shallow(if that's a word) brothas like Kevin. Mohammed was close, but he is still not Kevin.

Two observations...
Segun is two-steps aways from being gay!

And..Malik bears a striking resemblance to Prince(the early years), remember the album cover of Prince with the big afro and the hazel/green eyes....

I'll have to agree with people and say that Kevin from New York was the bomb! He came to my school a couple of years ago, and he was still holding it down. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif

As for Mohammed from San Francisco, that was my guy! They never gave him much air-time and that's because he was basically drama-free! (They love to give air time to the people of color who have crazy drama!) He (Mo) was a positive black man doing his thang, and I loved that.

As far as Segun on the casting special, I didn't get any vibes that he was gay. I got the impression that yes, he was heavily into his appearance. But I know quite a few heterosexual men like that, too. Segun was just a "pretty boy." Even if you don't think he's that attractive, that's just how he carried himself. And while it is true that maybe he took it to the extreme (lotion gloves!), I can appreciate a brotha who cares about his appearance. And just because he was into his appearance, does not mean that folks should assume he's gay. I don't know, that's just me. *shrug*

I like Malik too. I am not diggin' his blow-out afro look, but he is cute. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif He seems like he will be one of those positive men of color with some actual substance.

I could go on and on about the Real World, but I won't. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

I don't think that most people are saying Segun is gay just because he is into his appearance. During the Truth or Dare, they asked him had he ever fantasized about other men. He very quickly said that he had and all men had. He was also saying that he's sure whenever most men are with their gay friends in a gay bar, they wonder about the other side. All of the men at the casting special were yelling NO, not me. The women were in shock. Now whether men are lying or not, I know of no straight men that would admit to thinking about other men. I also don't know of any straight men who knowingly have gay friends or that have been in a gay bar. And if they have, they wouldn't admit it if they are really straight. I don't care whether or not he's gay (although I believe he is but unwilling to acknowledge it just yet) but I think that's probably why people think he's gay.

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#10 Sigma (Clark Atlanta University) Spring 1999
Currently: MAL, Southern Region

I was flipping through the channels and I saw that dude crying. I was like WTH is this? This big @$$ dude sitting down crying like a little girl? I thought THAT was kind of suspect and I didn't even know about the "gloves" and the "Truth or Dare".

I saw this yesterday and will definitely be tuning in (or recording) this season. Nicole seems sweeter than Coral ~ but they are representing for the most part. I couldn't believe Coral didn't do or say something to that Chinese chick though! She was very arrogant and shallow.

I don't know what to say about Jisella & Sophia ~ that was just TRIF!

Malik does need to braid that hair ~ it isn't appealing to have it out! He would be much cuter w/ it braided.

What did everyone think about the guy w/ cancer? Do you think he made it because of that? or because he genuinely makes a good cast member? I was surprised Rachel (the promiscious virgin http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif )didn't make it. I liked her.

I just had to say one more thing about Segun...
And please don't take this the wrong way. I am only stating my opinion.

In my opinion, Segun did not make it because he has nothing to offer and no talent unless you consider looking in the mirror talent!!

I think?? all the other men of color on Real World had at least one thing to offer...music,poetry,comedy, writing...well, maybe Cyrus didn't..but at least he was athletic!!

Segun came across as very shallow, uninteresting and small(minded). Personally, I would like for a black man that has something positive to do or say representing my people, rather than the Segun's of the world. I think that "white america" stereotypes us enough. And although Segun's do exist(we all know at least one)...I don't want the world to think that we are all like that. David, from RW-Nawlins' had the tendency to be shallow at times...but I can overlook some of his arrogance and ignorance. People that are somewhat "artsy" are sometimes on a different level than those of us that do not possess "artistic talents"

Again, this is just my opinion. I could talk about Real World all day...well, maybe not all day, but for a while http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

First up, Angel was an ass. He was homophobic and just his whole vibe was just...wrong. His homophobia automatically put me off. I was glad he didn't get picked. (I'm pretty sure he didn't get picked. Right?)

Secondly, I thought that the way folks cried was a bit interesting too. I mean, it's only The Real World after all. It did raise my eyebrow to see them (especially Segun) base their whole sense of self-worth upon acceptance into the Real World or not. But, to be fair, if that was something that they were really shooting for, then who am I to say that they shouldn't cry when they got rejected? Who knows? If I wanted it, and didn't get it, I might cry too. *shrug*

Ok, third (and I'm going back to Segun) - if he had been picked, the show would have been interesting no doubt. But I personally (and I would hope nobody else would either) wouldn't have looked at him on the show, and thought "Oh, this is how black men are." Apparently, some black men are like Segun. And that's fine. Some black men are like Kevin from New York, Mohammed from San Fran, like David from New Orleans, and like the other David from Los Angeles. I'm glad that they don't pick black men who are all cut from the same mold. Because, in reality, black men aren't all the same. I know some people were looking at Segun like "Oh my God, he is so feminine," or "What's up with those gloves?" or "What's up with him crying?" I know he may annoy and bother some people. But just because he behaves like a pretty boy doesn't make him any worse than some of the other black men who have also acted crazy on The Real World. (And we know that they have. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif)

Just my .25.

Why is everybody accusing Angel of being homophobic?? He said in an interview that his sister is a lesbian who recently came out, and that he now has conflicting opinions about homosexuality. I think there's a difference between that issue and being homophobic.

Also, if I had been smooching some guy and then turned around to see him tonguing some other dude "to make him feel like he belonged", I would have to stop for a second too.



[This message has been edited by SweetestDiva (edited July 02, 2001).]

Dang, I was just thinking about that whole Truth or Dare thing! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif I thought that he had said that he didn't fantasize about being taken or whatever, but he did wonder from time to time what it would be like.

Frankly, I think there are more heterosexual men that wonder from time to time than they, of course, will admit. And for those that were yelling "NO!" and flipping out, well..methinks doth protest too much. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif When people protest too much, that usually leads me to think that they are hiding something about their own sexuality/sexual orientation or that they are not secure in their sexuality.

I'm not saying that all heterosexual men fantasize about other men or even wonder on an intellectual level. (So don't anybody get into a tizzy. *lol*) But I think that more men do than they let on. When I saw the casting special and his Truth or Dare response, I actually said, "OK, this brotha really took it there." *chuckle* I thought that he could be gay, or it could be just that he his secure in his sexuality (heterosexuality) to have gay friends, go to a gay club, to admit that it has crossed his mind and not feel threatened.

I don't know. I could see how folks would think he was gay based on that Truth or Dare thing. But I just didn't think he was gay. *shrug* I think I'm alone in that though. *lol*

Alright, I think I'm done talking about Segun now. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

poor Segun... ech!

ANYwayz, I wasn't feelin' Coral, she seemed a bit on the instigator side.
Jisela was cool
I liked Ellen, although she was a bit insecure...
The I've-Never-Seen-A-Penis-Chick was sweet
Malik -- tiiight. Maybe we'll see some good black male blood on the show again! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif
Nicole (ghetto Fab) was cool and seemed very sweet and genuine...
I don't remember the other folks, so I will stop here.

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"Success usually comes to those who are too busy to be looking for it."
Henry David Thoreau

I swear, I keep coming back to Segun, but folks are just doing him wrong. *lol* First of all, I can't even agree with the small-minded comment. What about Angel? What about the guy from North Dakota who had a real "problem" with dressing in drag (dang, man, it was just in fun!)? What about the guy (I think his name was Mike and I think he was the one with the video camera and I think he got picked) who talked with Coral about his views on race and homosexuality?

I could say that all three of those people were close-minded. Segun actually seemed pretty open.

I would love it if all the black men on the Real World (and Road Rules, for that matter) were all positive and if all their behavior was positive. But everybody is not a Kevin or a Mohammed, and that's just real. Personally, I too, thought that David from New Orleans was more than a little arrogant. I wouldn't want anyone to think that all black men were like him, either. When you say that you don't want everybody to think all black men are like Segun, what is it about him that you don't want people to see? (Just curious, seriously.)

Segun wasn't un-positive, he was just him. *shrug*

Hmmm...not trying to be funny here, but what does Malik have to offer? I mean, he got picked and he didn't exhibit any "creative" talent as far as I remember, he was just a guy. I like him, this is true, but he was just chillin'. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif What will be his claim to fame? The fact that he can blow out his hair in a really special way? *lol* He seems really positive, but you never know. Segun, if he had been picked, might have turned out to be one of the most positive cast members. *shrug*

Just a few more thoughts. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

What I meant was that b/c we live in the United States, some people in white America will no doubt streotype black men (or gay black men, or even gay men in general b/c, as Snoop says "Please Believe It", Segun (I think, But I know that I don't know him but even SweetestDiva said he is very feminine--not saying all feminine men are gay or vice-versa but, COME ON NOW!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif) is a closet homosexual if I've ever seen one--and I have...)...But, anyway, I was saying that I wouldn't want people making ignorant, negative stereotypes. Would you want them to put a black gang-banger or drug-dealer on the show??? I did not want Segun on the show not b/c he may be gay but b/c I did not like his attitude and seemed arogant, shallow (like when he was talking about how he values "Hoes"...WHATEVA!!), and immature. I value diversity just as much as the next person, but we have to draw the line somewhere. Don't get it twisted (cuz I don't) http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif, I know there are MANY shallow, immature (like David acted sometimes on RW New Orleans...he got on my nerves sometimes), and ignorant black men in America, but I'd rather not see stereotypes perpetuated on tv.



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"If there is no struggle, there is no progress"--Frederick Douglass

Soror, while I agree that we should be happy to be represented regardless, I don't agree that it is "always us" who make it an issue. I guess Asians wouldn't care. Why should they? Last time I checked, there was no such thing as a House Oriental and a Field Oriental, based on their skin complexion. We are STILL dealing with the repercussions (sp?) of this. The fact of the matter remains that there is STILL a color divide within our race, and it is perpetrated in the media. Now whether we want to admit that or not is another story. Jasmine Guy even touched on it in her IP. It's easier to say that it shouldn't make a difference or that it doesn't bother you when you are on the other side. When you grow up dark-skinned and you get teased for it, it's a different story. When you STILL (in 2001) hear ig'nant people say ish like, "You're pretty to be dark-skinned," it's a different story. Maybe that's why some people still pay attention to HOW we are represented on TV.

lastpoetnsite,
No disrespect intended with this post...

I agree with most of what you said, however I disagree on the talent issue. Being talented does not neccessarily mean that you can sing, dance or write. I think that there are several talented cast members on Real World, AND there are several who are not.

I think we are giving Segun too much credit. I should not have attacked him by saying he is gay...because that really does not matter to me. I had a problem with the superficial way the he represented himself. As if that is all he has to offer...But then of course, it is my problem with him, and not anyone else's.

You are right, MTV tends to pigeonhole all of their cast members into certain roles. As I watched the casting special, I could pretty much guess who was going to be picked. I think Segun rubbed me the wrong way because I thought he gave MTV another chance to show to the world this stereotypical black man, instead of showing positive brothers, like Kevin. Kevin said on the casting special that at the time they were filming, the Rodney King incident just had taken place. I wonder...did that affect his temper at that time?

much respect...

maxx5...no disrespect taken. *smile*
that is exactly my point...the brotha was annoying true enough...but instead of pointing out that...dag this dude is annoying...folx tried to go for the jugular to cut away at his manhood. that is not right. that is the part that really bugged me about the exchange about Segun.

there are a couple of things that we have to realize. the show is not live...it is cut and edited to suit the needs of Bunim/Murray. for the most part they are filmed 24/7 and as we all know our lives are not exciting day in and day out...and neither are theirs. the shows are cut to portray people as characters. for the most part people play up to that...with some exceptions (heather b. comes to mind).

so far Bunim/Murray have done an excellent job in accentuating the negative and down playing the positive. they have also played to peoples own taboo's and stereotypes. you don't think them shooting Segun being concerned with his looks one day...and him talking about homosexuality the next was coincidence? nah...he was set up to be a characature. and everyone fell for it.

its just something to think about.

oh and about talent. hmmm...i do agree that there are some talented people on there...but the reality is that most of those people got the jobs they are in because of the real world not in spite of. kevin and heather b. are two people who were doing their thing before and after the show.

peace


[This message has been edited by lastpoetnsite (edited July 03, 2001).]

I agree.

I have gotten really dissappointed in the Real World in the last few years. It's good to see some diversity in this cast, but in some ways, it's just as homogeneous as past years...is there anyone in the house over a size 4 that doesn't look like a model??? It seems more like this show is cast more like a Noxzema commercial than a show based on real life 3 dimensional people.

You have a point there. I was just talking about this. In terms of weight and body size, everybody is pretty small, with the exception of Kameelah from Boston and Sharon from London. There is very little variety in terms of body size. So much for the Real World being realistic. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

I was thinking the same thing. But then I gave them the benefit of the doubt and figured that maybe the more non-model type people aren't cut out for the show?? Perhaps the REAL women (i.e. the average weight, the average look type women) aren't trying out for the show?? If they are, maybe they're boring?? Or maybe they don't have anything to offer? I think w/ Kameelah and Sharon, both of them really represented well. I felt they were both interesting people and I enjoyed watching them on the show. Perhaps others that look more like them are hard to find?? <shrug> I don't know...just looking at it from another point of view.

On another note, it seems like when they air the tapes of people that didn't make the first cuts or whatever, you always see the more REAL looking people. But to me, those are usually the people that make a complete FOOL of themselves on their tape and don't deserve to get picked! Honestly, yes, they could have some more full-figured people on there. But as far as looks go, man, most of those chicks where TONS of makeup! If not TONS, they still wore some most of the time b/c they were on camera. Um, check out these girls on this new season! Rachel is the only one that isn't wearing a store full of makeup. But Lori, Coral, and esp Nicole...WHOA!! I think most of the rW women were/are pretty, but not super gorgeous. Even that Jacinda girl (RW-London) who WAS a model, wasn't all that! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/tongue.gif

Anyway, I think this season is gonna be good. I'm just thrilled to see all the peeps of color! Woo-hoo! It's about dang time! I think this is the first time I actually like everyone on the show. The only one I'm sorta if-fy about is Coral. Sometimes I'm feeling her and others times she sorta scares me. She seems like she'll just jump down your throat about anything! I don't know, but she puts ME on edge and I'm not even in the house! But I can't wait to see what this season brings! Hey, we should have RW chat after each episode and discuss our thoughts. Anyone down?

BrandNubian,

I appreciate your comments, and it does make me think.

I too, appreciate diversity. You are right, not everyone can be like Kevin or Mohammed. I guess Segun bothered me because he had a little "Beyonce" in him. You know the type, "look at me, look how pretty I am, I am so great"...kind of attitude. But at least Beyonce can sing. Maybe I missed Segun's talent.
Malik on the other hand, is a budding musician. For show and tell he brought a copy of his new CD. So he does have some talent, although we have not heard him play or sing, yet.
Angel and the other guys, yeah they were shallow and small-minded, but they weren't black..so I don't really care how they come across to the general population. Tv has a habit of perpetuating stereotypes and it is nice when you see people that show us in a positive light. For example, Nicole is from "the hood" as she puts it, but she demonstrated that just because you are from the hood, doesnt mean you don't know how to act.
I agree with you, David from N'awlins made me mad as H*@l a lot of times. Especially on his quest to bed all of N'awlins and by trying to prove that he was "the man" and other antics. I thought that David was downright RUDE and self-centered, but as I said before...artsy people are on a different level. That is not excusing him, but I understand it a little better. In the end, David learned that it is not all about him.

Maybe I am a little to hard on Segun...when the special comes on again, I will watch it to see what I missed.

much respect...*this is gonna be long*

it seems that there have been quite a few contradictory issues about whether Segun should or should not have been selected for the Real World Ten. what i have read is that initially...people looked at him as feminine because of some lotion gloves. Which seemed to make individuals feel uneasy about him "representing". Then oh no it wasn't just that...i mean the brotha cried...and then he was actually real about a taboo subject in the black community---homosexuality.

And its because of the combination of his: obsession with beauty (i.e. lotion gloves), his crying, and his honesty about homosexuality that he is not a good representative on the real world.

Well folx, first of all if white people were going to stereotype black men they already had 7 individuals by which to make that assumption. And Segun has already made his presence known on television...so...if he was gonna be a "stereotype" then he could reasonably already be one.

also lets look at the 7 individuals:
-kevin (new york): when the filming of the first show took place he was arguably the stereotypical black man. while he was educated he had a short fuse and was accused of violence against a poor defenseless white girl (julie) (see episode 111). so he was already what supposedly white america believed about black men. angry, violent, bitter.
-david (los angeles): accused in episode 207 (by a white girl) of trying to rape tami (a black woman) and also prior to this we see david in episode 204 attempting to strangle jon (the pure white christian man) because he is angry. he gets kicked off. again america is shown black men are: angry, violent, bitter.
-mohammed (san francisco): he was the first black man who actually was just chillin. notice that he was also not completely seen until he was in episode 316 breaking up with his long time girlfriend, Stephanie and then going off with another girl...and then crying and getting back with her...or at least trying to patch up the damage. he was just too "normal" so of course there is very little seen about him.
-syrus (boston): this is the first sign of the black man in his other stereotype...the black man as player, pimp, hustler...who always wants to get in bed with a white woman. syrus screwed several white women during the show. and most of his drama was revolving around women.
-stephen (seattle): a return to the bitter, angry, violent black man...whose home life was so dysfuctional that he doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground. what is he known for? for smacking a white girl for...*gasp* questioning his sexuality! *methinks doth protest too much* if anyone had gay vibes it was him!
-tech (hawaii) he was a mans man right? interesting...he is a return to the black man as pimp, player, hustler. he slept with so many women on the island that he and ruthie shared a conquest! (episode 817).
-david(new orleans): this is mtv’s favorite representation black man as: player, pimp, hustler. he embodied not only stereotypical black man but men in general. he reveals that after getting dumped by a female he pumped up and vowed not to love again. so he becomes emotionally unavailable. *he’s a mans man right?* in addition, he fine tuned the art of dating every woman outside of your race imaginable except in one episode where they showed him sexin a black woman. (which if you want to say theres some stereotyping you could say that the black woman who sleeps with david after a couple of hours of knowing him is similar to the one that white america had of black women. (peep: urbanentertainment.com for the documentary on the sexualization of black women).

so ladies lets just be honest. the reason why Segun would not be a good "representative" is because of what those of you with latent gay-dars call his homosexual tendencies. although it does make me laugh that these so-called tendencies are in some ways less than bad and more good. he was emotional, he cared about his appearance, and he was honest and confortable in his sexuality. dag if he is gay then what does that say about str8 men? oh and by the way...everyone’s guy, angel, if you watch the show closely he does his share of crying too. and being rude to jisela. he was quite frankly and asshole.

i think that we need to start getting real and lets face our internalized homophobia.
btw...most of the people on the show do not have talent! unless being whiney bellyaching generation x'ers is a talent. i have seen few people on there actually go on to be successful with their talent. the only one that really comes to mind is Kevin. he is an accomplished writer and journalist....and probably would be without the real world.

peace

ZChi, I was just thinking the same thing about Coral when I was watching the show. Now I know that Mike shouldn't have made that ignorant comment (I tell ya...him and Jenifer Lopez must be distant cousins b/c folks are getting way tooooo comfortable...But Coral did not have to act like he didn't exist...Don't get it twisted http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif I wouldv'e been mad too, but you can tell when a person is really racist b/c of hatred vs. they are racist b/c they don't know any better and they are making a consciuos effort to break out of that shell...And then when I re-watched the Casting Special I felt like she should have accepted that guy's apology after he pulled her in the pool (he didn't know...)...Anyway, did ya check out the clips at the end regarding the rest of the season...Coral and Nicole (she's cool but I agree she wears WAY toooo much makeup) GO AT IT!! I'm looking forward to this...

P.S. Can't y'all tell I'm out of school and I have no life http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif Whateva!!

Okay, here goes what I thought about Episode 1:

LORI: Okay, the boy is not that cute. She needs to calm it down just a taste. I know their confessionals and the clips are grossly edited to make the storyline develop the way they want it to, but they're making her look like some kinda psycho.

MALIK: I like the way he's just cool about things... just chillin. I still say he's fine.

CORAL: Whoa, killer! This girl is out of control. It doesn't take much to push her over the edge, but the thing that bothers me is that she seems to pride herself on being unforgiving and intolerant.

NICOLE: Same as Malik.. just chillin.

MIKE: Po' thang. He doesn't know any better. But something tells me he will learn.

RACHEL: No opinion. Kinda boring.

KEVIN: Needs to be real with Lori. Otherwise, same as Rachel.

I can't wait to see the fight between Nicole and Coral.. I guess I'm just messy like that, but they did not look to be playing.

Hello everyone!!! I watched Real World last night and I am so EXCITED. I didn't watch the casting special but now I wish I had.

All I can say right now is that Coral is just like me!!! I would have handled the situation with the dude the same way. would have waited for him to come to me to either apologize or at least say something.

I can't wait until next week!

i want malik to do something with his hair!!!

coral...what the hell is her problem??

Yes, I think the producers definitely wanted to see more peeps hook up this season. I mean, look at all the questions during the casting special. I'm assuming they edited a lot of the questions out to only show the ones about who wants to hook up w/ who, etc.

I think they are making Lori look like a psycho too. They did the same thing to Amaya on Hawaii. That's ALL they ever showed them talking about when they did those "confessionals" or whatever you call'em. Lori doesn't really seem like she'd be like that. Maybe to an extent, but dang! Everytime she talked, Kevin's name came outta her mouth! I don't know about that. I feel like Kevin is sorta saying one thing and doing another. Just like Lori said, he'll tell her he wants to wait and then be hugging her and stuff. She was all over him too, but she's not the one saying she wants to wait. I don't know...that's all just a mess.

I wonder what's gonna happen w/ Malik and Nicole. He's cute but the hair has got to be tamed!! I wish he'd stop picking it. I know you're probably supposed to, but it's getting on my nerves! And I'm not feeling all his facial hair that much either. He needs to braid the hair and trim up the beard, sideburns...alla that!
THEN, we can talk http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Coral, Coral, Coral. She just needs to bring it back a few notches. I think she's gonna be that person that overreacts to everything! I just know that when she told ol' boy off, I was thinking, "Why didn't she just ask him where he derived at all of that stuff" and "Why not ask him if he believed any of the stuff that his uncle told him." I KNOW I would've said something to him, but I would've tried to find out where he got all that and if he thought it was true. I felt bad cuz he kept trying to tell her that he didn't mean it like that. Po' boy. Then she had to go and not talk to him. She just blew that outta proportion. Instead of telling him to stop talking or whatever, why not see where he's coming from and EDUCATE him!!

Ok, I'm done cuz I could go on and on.

[This message has been edited by ZChi4Life (edited July 04, 2001).]