Double Initiates!?!
 

I have a question, a girl in my pledge class was a transfer student. She had previously been initiated in ANOTHER greek letter organization. Well our sorority never caught it until AFTER she was initiated. I was curious as to how transfer or older students are screened for this. It's not fair that she now knows our rituals and secrets, and some of my chapter apparently doesn't think it was that big of a deal. Was it our fault, student life's, or the NPC?????? My whole pledge class wants to know, but the older members are telling us to keep our mouths shut.......

If you're in a local--and your profile states that you are-- there are no "national" rules governing this. Sorry!

Based upon your concerns, may I assume that she was initiated into another NPC group?

Several things weren't done that could, or should have been done. First, when she registered for recruitment as a transfer student, someone should have contacted the Greek Advisor at her previous school to see if she was a member or had gone through recruitment. Second, at orientation sessions for formal recruitment, all potential new members need to be informed that being an initiated member of another GLO makes them ineligible. If this woman was pledged via COB, then it is the chapter's responsibility to do the research. If your panhellenic is not doing the education or research on transfers, it falls to the chapter.

Yes, she should have known better and perhaps she did, if she didn't mention her previous experiences at any time while still a pledge. That is an ethical issue that needs to be discussed further (and maybe it is)

And perhaps something is being done which is why the older members don't want a lot of discussion. Like a lot of things that are "in the works", until a final decision or action is decided, it really isn't something that you can do anything about or should question. Trust that your chapter officers are not ignoring it.

BOOO...
 

I've heard of this happening before. A young lady pledged an organization in one part of the country and then transferred schools and joined another. The young woman was QUICKLY found out.:mad:

I agree with everything dakareng stated in regards to contacting the previous university.

I am a national member, but I didn't want to post my sorority name although my name implies 2 different sororities......

That makes me
 

Can not believe that! Not even my org. but makes me MAD! I bet this happens alot. Chapter, has to be at fault too and what is up with your sister's not caring?

i'm surprised this doesn't happen more often.

So what would happen to a person that did this? Surely it wouldn't go without some type of punishment/repercussion- would she have to resign membership from both orgs?

???? In another post, you state that you belong to Xi Omega, an "upcoming national" at 3 universities. As an Arkansas alum, I'm not aware of such a group on campus.

owlrageous
Junior Member

Registered: Apr 2004

Xi Omega Sorority
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Arkansas State
University of Arkansas
University of North Texas

I am not aware of a group at NT, either. maybe im in the dark....:confused:

Is this the same sorority?

http://www.cit.buffalo.edu/security/caught.html

When you get to the page press "CTRL F" and enter "Xi Omega"

:)

Re: BOOO...
 

There's no problem with pledging 2 different organizations. It's INITIATING into 2 that causes a problem.

dual memberships...
 

Way back in the 40s and before, there were a few teachers'
college fraternities and sororities, none belonged to NIC and
were often considered "educational", not social.
Some of these were Sigma Tau Gamma, Phi Sigma Epsilon (now
absorbed by Phi Sigma Kappa), Kappa Sigma Kappa (disbanded),
Delta Sigma Epsilon (absorbed by Delta Zeta), Pi Kappa Sigma
(absorbed by Sigma Kappa), Theta Sigma Upsilon (absorbed by
Alpha Gamma Delta), Delta Kappa (disbanded), and perhaps a
few others. Sometimes when these students would transfer to
a big state U, for example, they would either get a release or a
dimit or just join another. We turned most of them down at KU,
but there are some Sig Taus who are TKEs too. But they are all
old codgers, even older'n me. You still awake?
Also, Sigma Sigma Sigma, Alpha Sigma Alpha, Alpha Sigma Tau &
Sigma Tau Gamma are in the NIC and NPC groups, doing quite well, I might add...happily. LOL EPC, TKE

Re: dual memberships...
 

Good history, EPC! I might add, related to the dual membership issue, that when the education sororities joined NPC, each woman who had a dual membership in an education sorority and an NPC one had to choose one and give up membership in the other (at least according to Sigma Sigma Sigma's history). In other words, to use a "KU-style" example: in the early 1940s Jane Kansan spent her freshman year at Emporia State and initiated into Alpha Sigma Alpha. Jane then transferred to KU at the beginning of her sophomore year, went through rush, and pledged and initiated into, let's say ADPi. That was Ok then, because they were not both NPC groups. Then in the late 1940s ASA entered NPC, and Jane got notified that she had to choose either ASA or ADPi. So sororities did have to do a bit of adjusting of their membership rolls in the late 40s to follow the no-dual-membership requirement of the NPC.

Question, if the girl was initiated by a local sorority would it matter that she transferred, rushed and was initiated by a national?
I am assuming that it wouldn't because of the local versus national. If this is in fact the case I don't think there can probably be much done about her being initiated by two different sororities.

But like everyone else is saying, if it was a national then that is a whole different can of worms.

I believe she only mentioned Xi Omega as an up and coming national. Did she actually say she was affiliated?

As carnation , i am an Arkansas Alum too , and the only NPC at arkansas is CHI omega ( because it was founded at Arkansas) and the only other similar sounding chapter t here is the christian group CHi Alpha.

We actually have a poster here who was able to do that. I haven't seen Rachel around in awhile though...

My understanding is that if you are an INITIATED member of one NPC group, then you could NOT join another NPC group.

So even if Xi Omega is an "up and coming" national organization, it is not a member of the NPC, therefore those members would be free to join and NPC organization.

Correct me if I am wrong.

I am not a member of Xi Omega. but some girls I know on campus throught the BCM have started it as a christian glo. I thought they said they had 3 on those campuses already with ASU being the third? Sorry if I had misinformation.

About my sisters not caring I don't know if they just want to hush their mistake so other GLOs on campus dont know or what! It makes me angry. This girl was our pledge sister. She went through everything with us, and now we are members then she isn't here. We deserve someone to sit with us and explain why this happened.

The way I always understood it, if someone was initiated into a local sorority at one school, transferred, and joined a national group, that's A-OK because only one is an NPC group. And vice versa; members of national groups can be initiated into local groups. For example, I'm already a Delta Zeta, but if I had transferred to a university that had local groups, I could've been initiated into a local if they agreed to it...I guess it's up to the individual organization. I know you can't be initiated into two NPCs, though.

I don't really understand whether that's the situation we're talking about here or not. I can understand that being initiated into two sororities, local or national, might not sit well with some people even though there might not be any real rules to prohibit it. At any rate, I'm sure the situation is being handled by the officers, which is probably why nobody is saying anything about it. It's best not to discuss sticky business like this until everything is worked out.

I'm confused....
 

In your first post you said she had been initiated into one chapter, then initiated into yours (as a NM sister).

Your post above mentioned that she's not around anymore. Does this mean that she's no longer a sister (been excused, disaffiliated, kicked out, whatever you call it)?

If her membership has been terminated, then I can understand why your chapter sisters are telling you to stay quiet. First of all, it's not something anyone else should discuss with you EXCEPT for the person who was terminated (confidentiality and all that). Secondly, depending on the situation, you may not want the whole campus to know about it. Things can happen quickly at large schools like U of A, and it's always best to keep chapter operations "under your hat".

In any case, you've learned a valuable lesson in all of this....if you have doubts, check it out! Don't always assume that it's someone else's responsibility. Either work with that person (or entity, like CPH) until you get the information you need, or get the information yourself.

...and GO HOGS!

PsychTau

Just to answer a previous question, if she did indeed initiate into BOTH NPC sororities, she will have her membership revoked in both and not be in any NPC sorority, ever. That is our policy.

That being that, have you even bothered talking to her? You may be all in an uproar over nothing.

Lastly, did you like her and get to know her while pledging? If so, them maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge her so harshly.She is the same person. It is possible she didn't understand the rules, it happens.

Agreed. Get all the facts before you jump to conclusions. Call your friend up and nicely ask her what happened. You may not have all the information.

No more information is needed.



Clearly, she's a witch.









Burn Her!
Burn Her!!
Burn Her!!!

Russ, have you been dipping into the Manischewitz again? ;)

Kosher wine? You jest. Have you tasted the stuff? Blech

Yes, I spent many a Friday night dinner passed out under the table.... at the age of nine. :)

Must have been interesting to be a child prodigy. ;)

LOL. Yes, I credit the inspiration gleaned in those early years with my wisdom and maturity today.

To summarize, get the facts before you badmouth your sorority or your former sister. You don't know all the details, and Greek Chat is not the place where you can get the answers. We're not in your chapter, and we don't know the story. Talk to your sisters. Trust your sisters.