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Classy_Diva5 06-21-2001 08:03 PM

Astrology, Numerology, Karma...
 
Do you believe in any of the following, or subjects related to:
*astrology
*numerology
*karma (negative/positive energy)
-there is also one based on your first name and how it'll link with your future, but I forgot waht it is called http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Why or why not?


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"Mind ya own, stay true to ya own, be ya own."

Peace and God Bless
*Classy_Diva5*

AKA2D '91 06-21-2001 08:14 PM

All that Miss Cleo kind of stuff is for the birds...

But,

I do believe that what you put out there can return...if that's karma, then so be it...

When you do bad things, IT'S COMING BACK TO YOU AND/OR YOURS! BELIEVE IT!

When you do wonderful things, IT'S COMING BACK TO YOU AND/OR YOURS! BELIEVE IT!

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ZChi4Life 06-21-2001 09:16 PM

I believe in Astrology...ok, maybe not BELIEVE...but I follow it. I don't know why. It just seems like every time I read it, it's pretty close to what's going on in my life. Actually, it's usually right on. I know there's probably some "trick" to it. But it amazes me sometimes how on point it is. Sometimes, it's down-right freaky! So I read it once in awhile for entertainment and to see if it'll "tell" me something. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

SH80 06-21-2001 10:32 PM

Absolutely, positively, not! It's of the devil!!!

The Original Ape 06-21-2001 11:11 PM

If the Ethiopians who were the scholasic, political, and philisophical leaders of their day respected it as a real science, and used Astrology in almost every aspect of their lives, I don't see why it's such a bad idea for us to respect it as a science as well. It has been proven that behavior is affected by heavenly bodies(which happens to be the basis for Astrology); so just because some people exploit it to make money DOES NOT discount its value.

Wanna see something freaky? Find an Astrologer and "get charted". Ask them your moon sign, then start reading your astrology.
When you find your Astrology and the explanation of your individual numerology collaborating, it will intrigue you.



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SableCherub 06-22-2001 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by SH80:
Absolutely, positively, not! It's of the devil!!!
how do you fathom it's of the devil???

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lastpoetnsite 06-22-2001 09:52 AM

much respect...

i definitely believe in astrology. unfortunately i have never been able to be charted because you need to know the time of your birth and because i am adopted i do not know that information.
but...
i am very much like an Aries Woman has been described...with some exceptions because ones sun sign is only the tip of the iceberg.
and i definitely believe in KARMA...the ish does come around. if you've done dirt...you get it done right back to you...most of the time tenfold.
thats why having respect for one another is important. shoot people down...and one day your dreams, goals, words whatever will be burned. its the truth.
theres one i'd like to add tho...
does anyone believe in reincarnation?
i swear i know folx who have been here before...old souls my grandmother likes to call them.
and some people have the stench of having done wrong in the past and are carrying it with them until they atone in this life...or the next.
but i'mma stop getting all mataphysical and end it right here.

peace

nikki25 06-22-2001 10:09 AM

No, I don't believe that any of those subjects can tell me anything about the future. Those would fall under the categories of sorcery and divination in the Bible. I believe that only the Lord God through the utterance of the Holy Spirit can speak to you as well as provide prophetic insight into the unknown.

Here's a Word from the Holy Bible. He that has an ear, let him hear.

In Leviticus 19:26 (NIV), the Lord commanded Moses to speak to the children of Israel saying: 'Do not practice divination or sorcery.

*Note: The Lord wanted the children of Israel to be prosperous and of right relationship with Him as they went into the Promised Land. Each time that divination or sorcery was practiced, the Lord became angered as those people had seen the love of God, but chose to live a lifestyle that God didn't ordain. God is a jealous God. NO other gods should ever come before Him. Who is the god of witchcraft, sorcery, divination? satan. Each time that you seek the counsel of these methods, you are springing forth the very demons of hell.

In Deuteronomy 18:10, the Lord says:'Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

*Note: God is telling the children of Israel (and if you are a Christian, you are their descendants), that no one must practice sorcery, interpret omens, nor engage in witchcraft. If you think that some of the people you see are sent by God, read, Deuteronomy 18:14-22 and Jeremiah 23 to see the way to discern if he/she is really sent by God.

Galatians 5: 19-21 states: The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.


*Note: God is saying here that if you choose to live a life that isn't holy, then you will be denied the inheritance of God. That includes everyone of the promises mentioned throughout the Bible as well as the eternal life.

If you'd like to read the Bible online so that you can read portions of God's Word to find out more about what God says about these things, double click on this link: http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/b...sh&version=NIV

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SableCherub 06-22-2001 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nikki25:
No, I don't believe that any of those subjects can tell me anything about the future. Those would fall under the categories of sorcery and divination in the Bible. I believe that only the Lord God through the utterance of the Holy Spirit can speak to you as well as provide prophetic insight into the unknown.

Here's a Word from the Holy Bible. He that has an ear, let him hear.

In Leviticus 19:26 (NIV), the Lord commanded Moses to speak to the children of Israel saying: 'Do not practice divination or sorcery.

*Note: The Lord wanted the children of Israel to be prosperous and of right relationship with Him as they went into the Promised Land. Each time that divination or sorcery was practiced, the Lord became angered as those people had seen the love of God, but chose to live a lifestyle that God didn't ordain. God is a jealous God. NO other gods should ever come before Him. Who is the god of witchcraft, sorcery, divination? satan. Each time that you seek the counsel of these methods, you are springing forth the very demons of hell.

In Leviticus 18:10, the Lord says:'Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,

*Note: God is telling the children of Israel (and if you are a Christian, you are their descendants), that no one must practice sorcery, interpret omens, nor engage in witchcraft. If you think that some of the people you see are sent by God, read, Deuteronomy 18:14-22 and Jeremiah 23 to see the way to discern if he/she is really sent by God.

Galatians 5: 19-21 states: The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.


*Note: God is saying here that if you choose to live a life that isn't holy, then you will be denied the inheritance of God. That includes everyone of the promises mentioned throughout the Bible as well as the eternal life.

If you'd like to read the Bible online so that you can read portions of God's Word to find out more about what God says about these things, double click on this link: http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/b...sh&version=NIV

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Leviticus 19:26?

King James: "Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times."

NIV: "Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times."

Youngs Literal Translation: "`Ye do not eat with the blood; ye do not enchant, nor observe clouds."

Leviticus 18:10?

"The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs
is thine own nakedness."

Galations 5:19-21?

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


divination: div·i·na·tion (dv-nshn)
n.

1.The art or act of foretelling future events or revealing occult knowledge by means of augury or an alleged supernatural agency.
2.An inspired guess or presentiment. 3.Something that has been divined.

according to this definition all the weathermen who tell you how your week is going to be...sunny shiny and bright or overcast, muggy, and rainy...are going to hell...hmmmmn....i think it goes a bit deeper than you would like to profess...

sorcery: sor·cer·y (sôrs-r)
n.

Use of supernatural power over others through the assistance of spirits; witchcraft.

witch·craft (wchkrft)
n.

1.Magic; sorcery.
2.Wicca.
3.A magical or irresistible influence, attraction, or charm.
http://www.bibles.net/
http://www.internetdynamics.com/pub/vc/bibles.html

what were those great works moses and jesus did? how'd they do it? the prophets foretold all sorts of things and that would put them in this very category you are proclaiming to be wrong...um, i'm not saying they were sorcerers, witches, or anything...i'm just saying you might want to dig a little deeper than the surface of those bible pages...because you have severly contradicted yourself...some of the bible verses you quoted weren't even right...so i don't really understand where you are coming from...whether your misquote was intentional or not...i do not know...but before you try to qualify a position...you might at least want to accurately quote verses...

Matthew 24:24 Matthew 24 Matthew 24:23-25 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible.

Mark 6:2 Mark 6 Mark 6:1-3 When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed. "Where did this man get these things?" they asked. "What's this wisdom that has been given him, that he even does miracles!

John 10:32 John 10 John 10:31-33 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"

John 10:38 John 10 John 10:37-39 But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."

1 Corinthians 12:28 1 Corinthians 12 1 Corinthians 12:27-29 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 2 Thessalonians 2 2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of COUNTERFEIT miracles, signs and wonders...

Joel 2:28 Joel 2 Joel 2:27-29 `And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.

Hebrews 2:4 Hebrews 2 Hebrews 2:3-5 God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.


1 Corinthians 12:29 1 Corinthians 12 1 Corinthians 12:28-30 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?

John 14:12 John 14 John 14:11-13 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.


1 Corinthians 12:31 1 Corinthians 12 1 Corinthians 12:30-32 But eagerly desire the greater gifts. And now I will show you the most excellent way.



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nikki25 06-22-2001 02:22 PM

SableCherub: Thank you for noting the err in the Levitus 18:10 verse. It was actually Deuteronomy 18:10. Please note that correction. I apologize for not typing it in correctly. Also, you will find that I've shortened the text of the Leviticus 19:26 verse. SableCherub, I'm glad that you went back to look up things in the Bible.

The verses that I used are exactly what is printed in the New International Version of the Holy Bible.

The source from which the conjurists, fortunetellers, and astrologers, and new age cults are coming from is what I question. I didn't say anything in my post about how I felt. Rather, I cited what the Bible said.

The utterances of Moses were from the Lord. Jesus Christ was the earthly manifestation of God. The prophets of the Bible spoke with the mind of God. The sourcerists, fortune tellers/psychics, and astrologists speak with their source not being from God, but from the evil one. The Bible speaks of them countlessly. The key difference between the holy prophets (such as Jeremiah, Isiah, Ezekiel--remember Jesus wasn't a prophet--but the Son of God) and the ones that you see on television and other forms of media is that they latter speak with the mind of God. Please refer to Jeremiah 23 and Deuteronomy 18: 14-22 to understand the difference.

1. Jeremiah 14:14 says: Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds."


2. Jeremiah 23:16: This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.

3. Matthew 7:15: Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

4. Matthew 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

SableCherub, you've already cited some other proofs that Jesus Christ was God with us.

I hope that these scriptures will help you as you search out the truth of God's Word. I'd be more than happy to provide any additional clarification. But as in all things, please seek the Kingdom of Heaven FIRST. How? If you aren't saved, invite the Lord into your life and ask Him to show you clarity in the Holy Word. He will answer your earnest prayer. If you're already saved, then just simply ask God to help you understand the scriptures and help you understand whether or not the astrologists, numerologists, and principles of new age (karma) are really from Him.

I pray that you receive what I'm trying to say here in love. Remember, God doesn't want to hide the truth of His scriptures from you.

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1 Woman of Virtue 06-22-2001 02:24 PM

If you had asked me 2 years ago, I would say no, I don't believe in astrology cuz it's of the devil. However I've had the opportunity to study w/ some conscious Black peeps who spent their life studing the sciences of Kemet and other African based belief systems.
For one thing, the calendar we use, is not the same one used by those who originally used the study of stars to tell certain things. In fact, my b-day is in July and I thought I was a cancer, but when I was charted, I discovered that I was a gemini (according to where I was born, the time, etc.). I am a born again Christian so I too was raised to believe that the study of the stars was satanic, etc. However, I am also a born again conscious believer in Christ, so I was able to explore for my own, and figure out that a lot of what teh "Church" teaches is based on fear, mal-interpretation, and the inability to seperate the teachings of Christ and the messages in the Holy Scriptures, from the infusion of Eurocentric culture.
What do I mean? Christianity as many of us know it, is Christianity as practiced in European culture. When you leave western society, you'll find born again believers who love the Lord, and who practice Christianity through the veil of their culture. In many of those cultures, studying the stars for information (astrology) on how to better understand who you are, is no different than American Christians using all of those self-help books that so heavily populate our Christian book stores. You know, the kind that give you a list of characteristics, and you figure out your temperment/personality type...
Saying all of that to say, that yes, after reading for my own, and getting charted (and that chart was more accurate, and more specific than many of the "prohpecies" I've received on Sunday) and understanding that just cuz something is different, doesnt make it wrong, I do believe there is a lot of merit to astrology, numerology, and energy.

SableCherub 06-22-2001 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nikki25:
SableCherub: Thank you for noting the err in the Levitus 18:10 verse. It was actually Deuteronomy 18:10. Please note that correction. I apologize for not typing it in correctly. Also, you will find that I've shortened the text of the Leviticus 19:26 verse. SableCherub, I'm glad that you went back to look up things in the Bible.

The verses that I used are exactly what is printed in the New International Version of the Holy Bible.

The source from which the conjurists, fortunetellers, and astrologers, and new age cults are coming from is what I question. I didn't say anything in my post about how I felt. Rather, I cited what the Bible said.

The utterances of Moses were from the Lord. Jesus Christ was the earthly manifestation of God. The prophets of the Bible spoke with the mind of God. The sourcerists, fortune tellers/psychics, and astrologists speak with their source not being from God, but from the evil one. The Bible speaks of them countlessly. The key difference between the holy prophets (such as Jeremiah, Isiah, Ezekiel--remember Jesus wasn't a prophet--but the Son of God) and the ones that you see on television and other forms of media is that they latter speak with the mind of God. Please refer to Jeremiah 23 and Deuteronomy 18: 14-22 to understand the difference.

1. Jeremiah 14:14 says: Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds."


2. Jeremiah 23:16: This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.

3. Matthew 7:15: Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

4. Matthew 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

SableCherub, you've already cited some other proofs that Jesus Christ was God with us.

I hope that these scriptures will help you as you search out the truth of God's Word. I'd be more than happy to provide any additional clarification. But as in all things, please seek the Kingdom of Heaven FIRST. How? If you aren't saved, invite the Lord into your life and ask Him to show you clarity in the Holy Word. He will answer your earnest prayer. If you're already saved, then just simply ask God to help you understand the scriptures and help you understand whether or not the astrologists, numerologists, and principles of new age (karma) are really from Him.

I pray that you receive what I'm trying to say here in love. Remember, God doesn't want to hide the truth of His scriptures from you.

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so are you stating that when the prophets "died"...those gifts died along with them? yes...there are COUNTERFEIT people that exploit things...but are you stating that it is impossible that one could genuinely "have the mind of god" and work the exact same miracles today that were worked back in the day? whether via astrology, numerology, karma...etc...? if there are FALSE prophets...that must mean there are some REAL ones...if there weren't any REAL ones...there would be no need to distinguish between FALSE and REAL...one cannot take a verse and twist it to suit their immediate needs...either you consider ALL...the good and the bad...the false and the real...or you consider none...it is sort of like sifting wheat from chaff...and in considering the whole...you can realize truth...not half truths...you must also understand the context of the ENTIRE passage...maybe even the entire book to understand the reality that is being presented...i caution you to be so quick in picking and choosing doctrines that suit your tastes...and taking in illusions of a reality that has been force fed to you...



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Ideal08 06-22-2001 02:42 PM

I do believe in karma, energy, that whole deal. But not really in astrology or numbers. I think that what you put out into the universe will come back to you.

Professor 06-22-2001 02:47 PM

It just is - didn't you see touched by an angel http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

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how do you fathom it's of the devil???

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pointNclick 06-22-2001 02:48 PM

I believe in astrology and in the concept of "krama" (do unto others as you would have them do unto you). I am not versed enough in numerology to state whether I believe or not.

While all of these, especially astrology are often seen as entertainment, to my understanding there is some "science" to it (astronomy, etc.). I find that I am very much in line with the description of my zodiac sign. And while I do not read horoscopes daily, I do know my sign and seek other "compatible" signs in my life.

nikki25 06-22-2001 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by SableCherub:
so are you stating that when the prophets "died"...those gifts died along with them? yes...there are COUNTERFEIT people that exploit things...but are you stating that it is impossible that one could genuinely "have the mind of god" and work the exact same miracles today that were worked back in the day? whether via astrology, numerology, karma...etc...? if there are FALSE prophets...that must mean there are some REAL ones...if there weren't any REAL ones...there would be no need to distinguish between FALSE and REAL...one cannot take a verse and twist it to suit their immediate needs...either you consider ALL...the good and the bad...the false and the real...or you consider none...it is sort of like sifting wheat from chaff...

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No, I wouldn't say that the gift of prophecy died with the Old Testament prophets. The gift of prophecy is mentioned in I Corinthians 14. It specifically speaks of the gift of prophecy as to be used for strengthening, encouragement and comfort. The source of the gift of prophecy within the Body of Christ comes from the same spirit (the Spirit of God). See I Corinthians 12: 1-11.

Corinthians was a church. It was an extension of the first church that began witin the book of Acts. The Christian church of today is an extension of the original church as the church is the bride of Christ. The church is the "body of Christ" because we are one flesh with Christ as His bride (see Ephesians 5: 23-33).

I think that you understand who are the false prophets. The "real" prophets, or those who are here to edify you so that you can live a better life existed in the Holy Bible, and are here on earth today. The test of who is real and who isn't can be discerned. You may remember that I John 4: 1-3 it says: Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.


You aught to test the spirit of the person who is believed to be speaking a prophetic word to you. I John 4 gives you one. You should also read the scriptures previously referred, Deuteronomy 18:14-22 and Jeremiah 23.

The prophet that comes from God doesn't need, nor will ever use the devices of astrology, karma, and numerology to speak to you. The prophet speaks what the Lord has for them to say. It is an utterance that comes from the Word of God, and will never contradict the Word of God.

Again, please let me know if there are any questions. I'll be able to answer them until 5 today in between doing work here in my office.

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prayerfull 06-22-2001 03:05 PM

Donald Lawrence & The TriCity Singers say it well in the song "Minister to You".

I'll quote only the first verse...

When I was in the SPIRIT, God showed me some things, explained some things, revelead some things. When I was in the Spirit, God pointed out some things, that I needed to know. He showed me my enemies, and my friends, too. How to look at my troubles and walk right on through. If you need to know God's plan for your life. Get in the Spirit. Let the LORD minister to you.

God is my counselor. Only He can direct my path. For He knows all things that I am going through. When I go to HIM in prayer, He already knows the situation. I don't have re-explain anything to Him. He already knows, because my life is PRE-DESTINED BY HIM. Only HE can take you through.

If you a wondering when you're going to find a husband - - take that to God. He knows exactly the date, time and place that you're going to find that man. He also knows who that man is already.

If you're wondering how your children are going to turn out - take that to God. He has a plan for their lives already.

***My personal testimony:
This week has been a blessed week for me. I found out some very serious things about my life this week. I was adopted as a child. I've known that I was adopted all along. Well, just yesterday, I found my birth mother and spoke to her for the first time in my life. I embarked upon my search for her just 2 weeks ago and yesterday, found out her name, address, and phone number and spoke with her. All of my life I have wondered about her and wanted to know when would I ever find her. Well, I took that to God in prayer as a child. It's a prayer that I put in God's hands many, many years ago that I would someday find her. The actual search for her only took me 2 weeks to do. So, there's only one reason why I didn't find out this information years ago. That is because God was not ready to reveal that to me yet. He has pre-determined my life. I truly believe that God led me through my search over the past weeks. And for this, I praise God and thank Him for hearing my prayer and answering me.

I'm sorry, but Miss Cleo could not help me with this. And I don't have to pay $1.99/per minute (or whatever she costs) to talk to God. And He's available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. He's open on holidays and in leap year, too.

PRAISE HIM!

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THICKNCHOCLATE 06-22-2001 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by SH80:
Absolutely, positively, not! It's of the devil!!!
I thought you were leaving!!! You'd found another foum http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Anyhooooo! I like to read up on astrology, just because it's entertaining. But I do often follow some of the princibles of Fengshui in my home decor. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif


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nikki25 06-22-2001 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by prayerfull:
I'm sorry, but Miss Cleo could not help me with this. And I don't have to pay $1.99/per minute (or whatever she costs) to talk to God. And He's available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. He's open on holidays and in leap year, too.

PRAISE HIM!

Prayerfull,

Congratulations in finding your birth mom! I KNOW that only God can provide the kind of timing that was essential in your instance. God's timing is always right! I'm rejoicing with you! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Thanks for sharing your testimony. It is wonderful to see God and the promises of His word manifest in your life, isn't it? Praise ye the Lord!

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1 Woman of Virtue 06-22-2001 03:20 PM

I guess I should mention that there is a HUGE difference between consulting witches, demonic spirits, and folx like ms. cleo...and astrology, which is based on scientific and spiritual study of the stars. Western culture is the only culture that separates science from religion/spirituality.

dirtymike1906 06-22-2001 03:32 PM

I know little about numerology.

And although astrology is often linked to sorcery and satanic reference, I do believe people often possess certain characteristics based on their birthright. What I don't believe, is that you can open a newspaper or magazine and find out that you're going to fall in love at midnight tomorrow or something sillier.

I'm right on with the karma responses: You do reap what you sew, and it's ALWAYS worse when it comes back around.

Reincarnation: People who've had near-death experiences often talk of being received in Heaven by angels who've lived more than once in order to complete some form of learning, or to impact society at God's direction. Example: The little boy who dies of AIDS and attracts world attention because he's only 8 or 9 years old.


Classy_Diva5 06-22-2001 03:42 PM

Numerology deals with numbers (of course)-the deal with this is to find your number, and from that, it is similar to astrology in the fact that it is supposed to give a baseline for characteristics and traits that you may have in life.
When you take your birthdate, add the numbers together, and from that you get one single digit number, the number that you refer to when checking your charts.

Example: if you were born on July 4, 1980
7 (july) + 4 (day of birth) + 1+9+8+0=29---> 2+9=11--->1+1=2=your number

Usually these guides are found in the back of magazines (Cosmo, Elle, etc.) and they use them as another source of "future-telling".

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"Mind ya own, stay true to ya own, be ya own."

Peace and God Bless
*Classy_Diva5*

pointNclick 06-22-2001 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by Classy_Diva5:
Numerology deals with numbers (of course)-the deal with this is to find your number, and from that, it is similar to astrology in the fact that it is supposed to give a baseline for characteristics and traits that you may have in life.
When you take your birthdate, add the numbers together, and from that you get one single digit number, the number that you refer to when checking your charts.

Example: if you were born on July 4, 1980
7 (july) + 4 (day of birth) + 1+9+8+0=29---> 2+9=11--->1+1=2=your number

Usually these guides are found in the back of magazines (Cosmo, Elle, etc.) and they use them as another source of "future-telling".

Thank you for that explanation of numerology. I honestly had no idea what it was all about. I have not come across those guides before (as I don't often read those magazines). But now I will work with that forumla to get my "number". This is all very interesting...

Classy_Diva5 06-23-2001 12:22 AM

I believe in karma, because I know through experience that whatever goes around comes around. You definitely reap what you sew.

When it comes to astrology, numerology, and other "ologies(LOL)", I had mixed feelings. I used to read my horoscope faithfully in the past, until I read in the Bible that it was a tool of evil. Since then, I pay no mind. I guess what intrigued me in the past was the fact that when I read my horoscopes, 9 times out of 10 they were on point; I was like http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif! But now that I know that it is used by the enemy to trap us that believe and follow the Lord, I stay clear.

Reincarnation is something that I believe is possible if you believe in it. I personally do not believe in coming back after death as another walking, talking lifeform here on earth.

For those that are interested in names and some of the traits, meanings and the "hidden powers" behind it, http://www.kabalarians.com/gkh/your.htm
can give some more information.

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"Mind ya own, stay true to ya own, be ya own."

Peace and God Bless
*Classy_Diva5*

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SableCherub 06-23-2001 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by Professor:
It just is - didn't you see touched by an angel http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif


oh yeah...i forgot...that's right...that is proof positive ret cher that it is of the devil...how could i be so blind...? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

futurestar1 06-23-2001 10:14 AM

I believe in karma simply because I believe that what goes around comes around and you reep what you sow.Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If you want more, give more. I could go on and on with sayins that seem to reference Karma. I also believe in the phrase Karma is a .... Well yall know the rest.

novella000 06-23-2001 01:29 PM

I would have to say I agree the most with Sable, 1Woman Of Virtue, and TOA.... Read, READ, READ!!! Do your own RESEARCH! Whatever is RIGHT FOR YOU, that's just up to YOU to discern. But choose your belief system (be it religious or otherwise) understanding WHY you believe the way you do.
Are you Christian? Yes: WHY?
Are you Buddhist? Yes: WHY?
Do you consult astrology, numerology, etc... to determine/understand/investigate ANYTHING? Yes: WHY?

These are things you should know... Know your HISTORY. The same way we SFs research our Sororities of Interest we should research our "religions", belief systems, careers, etc. How can you participate in something of which you know no history??

If you believe something, you should be able to equivocate it's validity with things NOT NECESSARILY related to it's explanatory subject matter.
i.e. (I will pick on Christianity here) If you are a Christian and you want to explain to someone WHY you PRACTICE/PROCLAIM Christianity ... then you should be able to do so far beyond the realm of "Cuz my Mama said so" or "Cuz the Bible says"

Black folks, in my opinion, especially need to develop a full understanding of Christianity & it's factually historical roots, outside of primarily Biblical research. You may uncover a whole lotta something that you thought nothing of in the first place.

Pan-African studies... ahhh, the beginning of my enlightenment. Hey, where is AKA_Monet?


Oh and Professor, that touched by an Angel tiff was pretty dern hilarious.

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DreamfulOne 06-23-2001 02:58 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SableCherub:
[B] cool... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif there are a lots a bibles out there...which one will you be using?
http://www.booksbygod.com/

I'll be using the King James Version and my Strong's Concordance



DreamfulOne 06-24-2001 12:01 AM

I do not believe in astrology or numerology because I believe in the only true and living God. I believe in HIS son Jesus Christ who died on the cross for our sins. I believe in the Holy Spirit which was sent to be a comforter unto us all. I believe that Astrology/Numerology are works of the devil and are only associated by familiar spirits. This to me is a form of witchcraft, which is an abomination to God.

SableCherub 06-24-2001 12:11 AM

what are you basing this belief on...scripture? or what has been told to you? and if based on scripture...which scripture(s) are you basing this on?

astrology: http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=114997&tocid=0

numerology: http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=57910&tocid=0

karma: http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=45785&tocid=0

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DreamfulOne 06-24-2001 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by SableCherub:
what are you basing this belief on...scripture? or what has been told to you? and if based on scripture...which scripture(s) are you basing this on?
I'm doing a search right now and will respond shortly when I finish doing my study on what God's word (the BIBLE) states on this.

SableCherub 06-24-2001 12:26 AM

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Originally posted by DreamfulOne:
I'm doing a search right now and will respond shortly when I finish doing my study on what God's word (the BIBLE) states on this.
cool... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif there are a lots a bibles out there...which one will you be using?
http://www.booksbygod.com/



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The Original Ape 06-24-2001 12:48 AM

Astrology and Numerology are sciences, NOT RELIGIONS THAT CONFLICT WITH CHRISTIANITY. Don't confuse the two.


SableCherub 06-24-2001 12:53 AM

science: http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=68002&tocid=0

religion: http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=64745&tocid=0

christianity: http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=108294&tocid=0

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KnowledgeEternal 06-25-2001 07:08 PM

One thing I don't understand about Christianity. How can you believe so strongly in a system that has been changed and misconstrued throughout history in order to fulfill some political or social agenda? Who said that Christianity was the RIGHT religion?

AKA2D '91 06-25-2001 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by KnowledgeEternal:
One thing I don't understand about Christianity. How can you believe so strongly in a system that has been changed and misconstrued throughout history in order to fulfill some political or social agenda? Who said that Christianity was the RIGHT religion?

you know what? the ONLY thing that IS IMPORTANT, is what is RIGHT for YOU!
Nothing else really matters!

That's all I have to say on that one! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif


Ideal08 06-28-2001 03:01 PM

Yall know what? This topic was posted a mere week ago, and already, I'm lightweight about to change my mind. *making mental note to surf net and go to library. note to self...*

I've always thought that astrology was interesting, but I never "believed" in it, because I've always thought that it was "for entertainment only." Well, in just one short week, I just don't know anymore. What had happened was.... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

First, I was chilling at a friend's house, and he had a sexual astrology book. So, being intrigued by this thread, I pick up and turn to my zodiac sign. FRIGHTENINGLY ACCURATE. And I don't mean a couple of things were on point, I mean there was only ONE thing that I disagreed with. And that's not to say it's not true, lol, I just disagreed with it. Then, it matches your sign with each of the 12 signs, and tells you what a relationship with a person of that sign is like. I read the one for me and my ex. FRIGHTENINGLY ACCURATE. Then I read the one for me and my friend. FRIGHTENINGLY ACCURATE. THEN the book tells you about, um, how you are in bed. FRIGHTENINGLY ACCURATE. But...

The thing of it is, though, all Aries can't be like me, right? That's what makes it so unbelieveable to me. I mean, all the Aries (teachers, what is the plural of this??) in the world can't be like me! I'M ME! Anyway..

Then, Little Miss Midwestdiva says over in the forum across the street that Leos (my friend) and Aries are the two biggest egomaniacs, blah blah blah, and I swear she must have written this book, because it said the exact same thing in there, lol. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif You definitely didn't read it somewhere else, you're probably stalkin me like you are everyone else, LMAO! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif (Anyway, though, lol, that was just funny, and I had to comment, but I figured it was better done over here... moving on...) http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

I said all that to say, it's got me thinkin'. That's all. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Oh, and Midwestdiva, I'm about to send you an email. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

pointNclick 06-28-2001 03:05 PM

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The thing of it is, though, all Aries can't be like me, right? [/B]
Aries in da house!!!

:-)

pointNclick 06-28-2001 03:06 PM

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The thing of it is, though, all Aries can't be like me, right? [/B]
Aries in da house!!!

:-)

CelestialBlu1 06-28-2001 03:07 PM

o.k. this is for the leo's http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif don't hate participate...and just enjoy being our audience... http://horoscopes.excite.com/horosco...n_profiles/leo
it's all about me... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/redface.gif had me pegged even down to the purple and gold...



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