Who saw The Passion?
 

Who has seen it already? I'm seeing it on Sunday with my coworker's church and then participating in a discussion about it following the movie. I'm excited about it..........I just wonder if the violence and gore is as truly bad as they say......

Re: Who saw The Passion?
 

I haven't seen it yet, but I plan to when it comes out.

And, I think the violence and gore, while not "gratituitous" (hey, those were violent times), I think it's not for the faint of heart.
I don't think it's suitable for the kiddies under age 13. While I haven't seen the movie yet, I think what makes it quite difficult to watch is that there is a lot of suffering (whereas in super-violent movies like "The Last Samurai" and "Gladiator", the movies are violent, but at least the people died quickly, if not instantly.)

I saw ROOTS when I was about 7 and the scene where Kunta Kinte is kidnapped by slave traders was very distressing to me to watch. When I saw it again, as an adult, it was quite distressing too.

So yes, I think you should be mentally prepared that it will be quite a violent movie. I know that I am.

the movie is out today.

i am not seeing it. i know that i will not be able to handle it. people that have already seen said the cruxifiction is nearly an hour long. i say 'no thanks'

for the record, i think that this will be a huge box office hit. i hope it beats 'titanic'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you heard about the initial reaction? People are weeping and actually calling it a "life changing" movie. So many tickets have been block purchased. I was hoping to see it this weekend, but it appears unlikely. The local churches alone have closed out 3 shows.

I hope what O'Reilly says is true. He believes we are in a cultural war "religion Vs seculartarians." He is thinking that this single film experience could change the way our nation is headed.
Concessus seems to be it is NOT anti-Semitic. Rather it was for ALL the sins of this world Christ gave his life.

Others may think this is corny, or perhaps "unsophisticated":rolleyes: , but it's time for all of us to take back our country and reestablish the fundamental beliefs we were founded on!
I do not want an argument-just stating a STRONGLY held opinion.

very well said, JAM. I agree wholeheartedly.

I'm probably going to wait a week or two... I doubt I'll be able to get a ticket for quite a while.. it sounds like a lot of local churches, etc are buying large numbers of tickets for their congregations to go.

I saw it today and it is incredible. It is not anti-semetic, at least not in my opinion. I really liked the fact that it was spoken in Aremaic and Latin and is subtitled, I think it adds to the authenticity.

I've read some reviews where they criticize Gibson for not explaining in greater detail why Jesus was dying, as though no one knows it was for all of our sins.

The camera work was outstanding on it focused on certain aspects he felt was important. It was gory and bloddy, but necessarily so, I mean being crucified was defintiely no cake walk.

It actually brought a tear to my eye a few times, I won't lie I probably would have cried if there weren't people around (a man can cry, just not in public). I would go so far as to say it is a "life chaning" movie b/c I realized with the problems I have in my life they are nothign compared to what He went though and I think showing it in is full unabashed state really hit home. you know how hearing or reading about something doesn't do it justice, well seeing it on film definitely makes a person realize how gruesome it was. Jesus suffered tremendously and I knew that but never understood how much he did suffer until seeing this film.

I mean the worst problem I have is trying to get my ex-girlfriend back. It also makes me want to read the Bible more and makes me want to be a better person.

Sorry to drag on so long, I'm still thinking about it all and taking it in.
Just my $0.045
-Mark

a guy in dallas bought 6,000 seats for his church, co workers, and other who wanted tickets. here in jacksonville, every theater is sold out for the next few days. this is going to be huge

I just saw the movie and am still unable to stop crying. It is the most amazing movie I have ever seen. Since I started college I haven't been to church except for Christmas and Easter, so I feel that I have forgotten what religion provides us. I am not saying that everyone should see this movie and it will change them religiously, but I think that it does provide hope and inspiration. For a man to endure such torture and to forgive all those who have tortured him makes me think that my problems aren't as bad as I think. The fights I have with friends over guys or clothes are pointless. I think this movie will inspire everyone who sees it.
Be prepared for a lot of bloody scenes. Halfway through the movie all those around me were crying nonstop and many couldnt even watch the screen by the time the crucifiction happened.
I say go and see it even if you think it doesnt portray the story right, because you will never know until you see it and interpret it yourself.

Haven't seen it, but Charlie Rose is about to discuss it with guests.

I agree 100% with your statement!!!!!

I just got back from seeing it and it is an EXTREMELY powerful movie. It is also one of the goriest films that I have ever seen, but I do not think that a single bit of it was unnecessary. It really puts things into perspective. One of my friends summed it up quite nicely as we walked out of the theater "I can't believe that we were actually mad when we came in that we didn't get good seats, why do we care so much?" It was an indescribable movie.

I'm in the same boat. All I can think about is my exbf. It seems so big to us, but it's really not. Good post!!

APPLAUSE APPLAUSE for justamom!!!!

Bring back the inquisition, as long as I can pick out the heretics lol ;)

And put women back in their biblical place :)

If yuou find suffering moving and inspiring keep in mind that you don't have to stray far from your neighborhood for examples. Some of which will exceed the suffering from crucifixtion.

Further, keep in mind that the suffering of your neighbors is purely human in the sense that they have no comfort of knowing it has a rhyme place or ending.

I have often wondered if being the Son of God has a certain diminishing on the significance of pain. Its an advantage that your average mortal doesn't have.

I just got back from the movie and it was completely amazing. It is one of the most powerful and graphic films that I have ever seen. I admittedly cried profusely during several of the scenes. Many of us have grown up hearing the story our entire lives yet never really have it presented to us in such a raw manner. I don't feel that it was anti-Semitic at all for those who are wondering. The entire theater was somber after leaving and everyone left virtually in silence...there was definitely no idle chatter. I think it can be an altering film for many...it certainly has made begin to think about the triviality of so much and also the importance of my faith...

I just got home from seeing this movie. Maybe tomorrow I will be able to say more, but for now, after all the tears and emotional drain I went though tonite, all I have energy to do, other than post this, is go to bed.

I will say this though, there aren't many words, in my opinion, to describe this experience for me. It was, by far, the most powerful movie I have ever seen.

No argument but I didn't realize the country was taken away...dunno where I've been.

But I guess we could go back to those fundamental beliefs, all those freedoms even the one about freedom of religion, so awesome and so true.

I saw this movie and it was great and I'm not relligiious at all. It was moving but then I realized that it was just a movie - a depiction of an account through the eyes of a certain person.

In any event it is a very good movie and somewhat graphic. The two girls I went to see it with both walked out before it ended...

To give a little more perspective on this... the theater referred to is a 20 screen Cinemark with huge stadium auditoriums. The Passion was being shown on all 20 screens, starting every 2 hours from 6:30 am to 9:30 pm. The tickets cost him about $42,000.

The church he attends here is affectionately called the "Bapti-dome". A HUGE church with 8000 to 10,000 in attendance every Sunday.

HOLLA!

I agree. I have never seen a theater full of people where NO ONE talked AT ALL.

That's because it was the first date they had been on where a guy took two girls at once to see "The Passion".

Jokes aside-
A lady dies from heart attack watching the movie!
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Central/0...eut/index.html

I must say that I read this thread and expected to hear what I have heard already. That is, people's opinion on the movie when they haven't seen the movie. I hate that and am very pleasantly surprised to hear people's opinions who have actually seen it.

I'm not interested in seeing it, I don't really know why. But find it interesting how many people who haven't seen it claim it to be anit-semetic but not one person I have heard who have actually seen it says it is.

Also, it seems to be that by default being crucified would be bloody and horrific and violent. Complaining at the violence doesn't make sense to me but then again, I haven't seen it so I can't really say.

Keep the opinions coming. I'm curious what people think.

That is the stupidest logic ever.

Do you have to stab yourself to know you'll bleed?

If you know there is a certain scene, if you know how certain characters are portrayed, and if you know what remark Gibson made after the movie as well as the history behind blood libel, then yes it might worry you.

-Rudey

I find that a bit of a stretch.

That's another thing, how can this movie cause anti-semitic feelings? I mean, Jesus died for all of mankind's sins, right? Wouldn't that include, white,black,hispanic,oriental, jews, christians,buddhists,taists,atheists etc. Not only that but Jesus asked for forgiveness for the ones who crucified him, so if Jesus forgave the Jews, shouldn't everyone else forgive them, even if they believe it is the Jews' fault for killing Him? Jesus was killed by all mankind from the beginning of time to the end of time. Another thing, do people not realize Jesus had to be sacrificed to fulfill the scriptures and thus someone had to kill Him so all of man's sins could be forgiven? He couldn't just die of old age nor could he kill himself, it had to be the actions of others that caused his death.

I liked how Gibson (I take it as a way to show it wasn't the Jews fault) had satan walking among the crowds of Jews when they were trying to get Pilate to condemn Jesus to death. Yet another way to look at it is this, the Jews did not actually sentence Jesus to death, Pontius Pilate did and European civilization& Islamic civilization both descended from the Roman Empire and the Islamic Empire spread far to the east so I guess that is more proof we are all guilty of the crime of killing Jesus.


Sorry for my diatribe, I'm just sick of people saying this movie somehow promotes anti-semitism and most times they have not seen it. I saw an interview where one person said Gibson left out many important things and exagerated others to try to increase hatred of Jews and it later adds, he has not seen it.

-Mark
(this is my $1.05 or so worth)

Oh yeah, James, I meant that Jesus suffered to forgive my sins and that is very sobering to think someone went through that kind of torture to guarantee me entrance into Heaven.

I know there are people who suffer in bad neighborhoods for whatever reason, but is suffering not why our GLO's do philanthropy events, to ease the suffering of others and make their life better?

I agree!

If you like it fine. If you enjoyed the Christian message, fine. But it seems you and several other people keep talking about how YOU don't understand it's antisemitic and how YOU have this problem with people who haven't seen it saying so. Not only is the logic faulty, but it's annoying to see someone say another group doesn't have a right to feel a certain way. In fact Mel Gibson did not see Jesus, and thus, using your logic, he can't share his sentiments in this movie.

-Rudey
--YOU are not entitled to YOUR beliefs.

I think that people get out of the movie what they take into it. If they are looking for anti-semitism going in, then they will get that out of it. If they are looking for a powerful experience or what not, they will get that experience, and so on. Therefore, I think those that come out with anti-semitism ideas, were either looking for that to begin with, or had anti-semitism ideas in their head to begin with to lay blame somewhere.

But let us not forget. There are good and bad people with every religion. The Jews portrayed in this instance were obviously "bad jews." Just like priests and other ministers(because there are some in other christian denominations that do this too) that molest children as well as those that cover it up are bad catholics/christians. Klansmen claiming to be "good protestants/christians" are obviously bad protestants/christians. Muslims that take it upon themselves to be fanatical and implement terrorism are bad muslims and so on. So I think to label an entire religious people based on the actions of a few is quite ignorant. As kafromTN noted, Jesus was killed and died for us all regardless of our faith/beliefs and our sins.

[B]ThetaPrincess-I think that people get out of the movie what they take into it. If they are looking for anti-semitism going in, then they will get that out of it. [B]

I totally agree with this. As an example, when Jesus Christ Superstar was attacked, one reason was because they showed Christ too MUCH like a man, stopping short of the Resurrection.
I FELT the Resurrection in the musical movement at the end of the
final act. When I sat my parents down and made them listen, they understood...others thought I was daft!

No one likes to have their feelings negated...
Rudey, no one on this site has pointed any fingers. Most of us ARE sensitive to your feelings.

I think what most people are saying is THEY don't see the anti-Semitism. Sure, it would be naive to think that some nut cases won't pull out of this movie responsibility of the Jewish people for His death, but that's like saying the idiots who watched the Matrix or Natural Born Killers (I still consider these recent examples of "placing blame") got some kind of message from the content of those movies that said it's OK to go out and kill innocents.

Many on this board hold different beliefs, when one side can acknowledge that WE ALL (not a single group or groups) are responsible, I'd call that progress.

On another forum, they are discussing different elements of this movie. The main feeling is the same-He died for ALL of us and ALL our sins. No cognizant person would think otherwise. I understand fearing unreasonable people. We all do in different ways and for different reasons.

JAM I've brought up issues I had with the movie and every single person has side stepped them. In fact the idea of saying someone has to see this movie before they can comment is ridiculous. Furthermore, I don't care if people are sensitive to MY feelings. But what nobody seems to be able to grasp is that you cannot begin to understand how a people can feel if you are not them; it's incredibly condescending to keep saying you don't understand or that they are wrong in their sentiments.

-Rudey

I think that it doesn't require a a very active imagination to picture the mechanics of a death worst than crucifixtion.

Crucifixtion wasn't even the worse death of the ancient world.

I can grasp this and maybe it's why I sidestepped the issue. Because I can't begin to understand, just like you said Rudey.

And also, I don't agree with the people saying "you have to see the movie for yourself to understand" because in essence, everyone is going to take different things from the movie and there are going to be different opinions about certain things that happened.

If more people were a little more educated in the events surrounding this movie they might have at least a small understanding of how people might feel without having to see the movie. Yet, I'm sure there will also be people that take this movie as a movie of historical facts...sigh.

I just came from the movie and it was a frustrating experience for me, since these girls behind me would not stop talking. I turned to them and said, "Girls, would you please stop talking? It's very distracting." And did they? NO. :mad:

I think it needs to be explained that the way in which you die from crucifixion is through suffocation, not by bleeding to death (this was explained to me by a guy who worked in the ministry and he also had an anthopology background, so he knew what he was talking about). When a person is nailed up, in time, they are fatigued and cannot lift their body enough in order to retract the diaphragm to allow for the ability to bring air into the lungs.

Actually, the islamic civilization did not, in fact, descend from the Roman empire. And Islam came after the death of Jesus.

Sorry, continue discussion.......

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/28/ar...ORD.html?8hpib

Some of you might find this interesting.

-Rudey

Please copy and paste the article. That link is requesting to register and login and all that and I'm certainly not going to.

I don't want to break any rules by doing that and if you're too lazy to take 10 seconds to sign up, I'd certainly rather you not ask me to do the work for you.

-Rudey

All i have to say to the last part of your statement of your strongly held opinion Justamom isAMEN! .

This country has been lacking so much of the moral fabric it was created upon and i hope maybe this film will be the one thing to take back our country and get back to basics. Now please i don't want any negative PMs or emails because these are just my opinions and everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

My pastor said one sunday before it came out and we all saw it as a church.... he said you should take your un churched friends to see it and it will change their lives dramtically.

However, I saw it with my church and I must say it was the most powerful movie i have ever seen. Mel Gibson ....wow.....what a movie and i dont even want to call it a movie....just extrodianary! A++++++++++


Oh btw...I was watching Entertainment tonight last night and they had on James Cravizel ( spelling of his name i just dont know) anyhow, he is going to be on the chrystal cathedral televised service on sunday morning talking about the film and how protraying changed his life in so many ways. Should proive to be interesting

Whoa. Just came back. I'm very glad I saw it, although I guess I didn't think it was much different from several other films I've seen of the Crucifixion. I did think it was very well done, easy to follow, especially if you're not too familiar with people/facts. All I can say is that even if you're not Christian, there are still many different levels of the film to identify with or analyze.

My one rant for the day is this: I sat next to a 45 year old man and his wife who LAUGHED for the entire movie. LAUGHED. To me, laughing at the Passion is like laughing at Schindler's List. You just don't do it- it's disrespectful. Actually, you know what? Fuck it- it's disrespectful to laugh at ANY movie in which the people around you are crying/somber....it's just common decency to STFU. It was like they came to ruin the movie for everyone else- we're talking, laughter over EVERYTHING. They show a basket of bread, the guy dissolves in laughter. There are clouds moving in the sky and he and his wife are CTFU. I couldn't believe it...so finally (with ten minutes left) I asked him to try to stop because it was really distracting. He apologized- I only wish I would have done it sooner.
What a jackass.