For those that attend religious/jesuit universities..
 

do y'all have morals clauses like BYU? How they kicked that girl out of school that was on the Real World?

I didn't want to hijack the thread in News and Politics, but GP got me thinking. Can they kick you out of, say, St. John's for being promiscuous?

I know at Baylor they will kick out any girls that pose for Playboy's Girls of the Big XII issues and they recently kicked the Sig Eps there off of campus for appearing in a group photo.

Kitso
KS 361

Jes kid here!

If we have a moral clause, it's not in use. It's pretty lax, but this is New Orleans.

I also went to a Jesuit university, and we did not have a morals clause of that nature.

Ditto minus the NO part.

The "worst" thing they haven't let us do is form a VOX group because it "conflicts with our Jesuit identity" which I guess I can understand, but they also allow all sorts of other groups to form that conflict with it. We just meet at the off-campus Starbucks and say to Hell with them.

I was talking to a friend who goes to Notre Dame about this and we decided Catholic universities are just traditionally a little more lax than, say, BYU or Baylor - probably because we've been around longer and we're just a more relaxed religion. :p

what is a VOX group?

It's an auxiliary of Planned Parenthood designed to promote their agenda on campus.

www.plannedparenthood.org/vox

Check out the info on Liberty University... their dress code illustrations make me go :eek: :rolleyes:

We had H*yas for Choice. Not recognized by the University, but active nonetheless.

Exactly what we're doing - they won't let us on, but they can't kick us off.

Interestinly enough, my school did kick off Campus Crusade 4 Christ for a while because they were yelling at the Jesuits.

So, like, do y'all have chapel requirements? Where you have to go to chapel a certain time each week?

That's funny to hear about a Campus Crusade for Christ getting kicked off campus. Maybe it's because i went to a college in the Bible Belt but i could never see that happeneing at A&M. The various Protestant student groups and College Repubs had a big profile on campus.

Kitso
KS 361

We had a theology requirement, but not chapel or any other non-academic requirements.

I think you're thinking too much of BYU and Baylor. In speaking as a graduate of a Jesuit University, I'd say that on the whole the Society of Jesus is a pretty darn liberal group of religious.

At Rockhurst, there are all sorts of stories of the Jesuit residence having a liquor room with every libation imaginable. I've heard that other Jesuit schools have similar stories. They're all true.

Would it be slanderous if I said the president of my school felt my butt one time?

I don't think he meant it, though. He was telling me a joke, gave the punchline, laughed, and then just kinda patted me on the butt. I think he had been drinking.

I go to a Methodist women's HBCU, and we do have chapel requirements, although we don't call it that but it is held in the chapel. ACES stands for Academic Cultural Enrichment Series and its during the 11 o'clock hour on Tuesday and Thursday(there are no classes at that time). We have formal convocations and programs, and to basically do anything on campus you must have sastifactory ACES point(75% of the points) Each program is given a point value between 1-3 and if you don't meet the requirements you can't be in a national sorority, run for Student Government or any other office, or graduate with honors.

We also have something called the Belle Honor Code, in which it just outlines that if you do anything to diminish the reputation of the school or degrade yourself, you will be kicked out without any second chances. We also have a zero tolerance policy on Fightind, drinking, smoking, etc.. Hope this helps!

We don't have anything like a chapel requirement - we're required to go to Convocation as freshmen but that's it. The Baccalaureate Mass isn't even mandatory. We do have to take a minimum of 6 credits of theology to graduate (more in some colleges) but that's theology, not religious studies. If it weren't for the crosses in every classroom, I doubt you'd know I go to a Catholic school.

So are there any Catholic schools that are stricter than Marquette?

Is Notre Dame pretty strict? Boston College?

I'm sorry, this is just interesting to me. My parents almost sent me to a parochial HS, but ended up going with a small rural public school instead.

My sister wanted to go to Notre Dame, but i think she was just saying that to give my dad a heart attack when he saw the tuition estimates.

Kitso
KS 361

I'd say there's definitely a lot that are stricter - particularly the non-Jesuit ones. I know Notre Dame doesn't allow Greek life, and we do, so there's one big difference. Marquette isn't actually that strict (minus dorm visitation policies and that type of thing) - it's just a big change to me after a state school. It's definitely more lax than my parochial grade school was. I truthfully don't know much about the non-Jesuit Catholic universities and colleges because I knew they had more rules so I never really looked at them.

Although, the student health center is not allowed to give out condoms or prescribe birth control...

And the interim president refused to let the Vagina Monologues be performed on campus because he was offended by the use of the word vagina (not kidding)...

And that female students are yelled at by certain Jesuits for wearing tank tops and flip flops (also not kidding)...

Yeah.

ND does have a moral clause to an extent, though, doesn't it? I know that, at least in theory (I don't know how often it's practiced) you can get punished or kicked out for being caught with a member of the opposite sex in your room after a certain time.

Not as strict as BYU obviously.

OH MY WORD. Some of our Jesuits wear flip flops when it's nice out! We have the same thing wtih condoms/bc but I can understand that.

I think if you violate our visitation policy enough, you'll get kicked out, or at least kicked out of housing - but I've always lived off campus. :D

Boston College has come "this" close to getting its Catholic stamp pulled more than once. Definitely NOT strict.

Case in point: Professor Mary Daly. Self-professed witch. Tenured faculty.

Now that Cardinal Law has been removed from this seat, we'll see whether O'Malley straightens this out or not

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IMHO, if they're going to call themselves a Catholic school w/ Catholic criteria, etc, then stick to it. Tinkle or get off the potty. Permitting double standards - espousing Catholic teaching, but not upholding it (see point above) is damaging to the Catholics who really do try to stay faithful.
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Adrienne
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ETA - IMHO, the "strictest" Catholic school (ie, the one that stays most consistent and faithful, including its leaders answering to the Vatican and not a local board of secular trustees) is Catholic University of America in Wash DC.

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Yeah, they do...although you're right about its enforcement. My perspective on Notre Dame is that it is less of a partying environment and more of an academic school (because of its competitive admission process). Although I am sure that there is drinking, sex, etc. there as well. I still think the same way about Ivy League schools...that there is no social life whatsoever. I know that this is not true though.

Kitso, there aren't alot of Catholic non-Jesuit schools that are well-known. The one that comes to mind is Pepperdine, which is in Malibu. I doubt that it is very strict. Christian Brothers University, which is in Memphis, is a HUGE party school.

To give you some perspective, think of St. Mary's, Incarnate Word, and St. Edward's...all in Texas. Those are all pretty normal college environments where many of the attributes that have been listed hold true, yet it is not too strict.

edited to add: adduncan is right about Catholic University. Very good school and a very traditional reputation as a Catholic school.

That's what I said. I'm sure if I ran into anyone from that school they would condemn me straight to hell.

I don't think there's anything wrong with having non-Catholics on the faculty - we have several professed atheists, Buddhists, etc. To me it doesn't matter if my economics professor believes in God or not, so long as the cross stays on the wall. He just needs to believe in the market and we'll be fine. I don't think the majority of Catholic college students attend them to be better Catholics - many of them aren't Catholic themselves. They come for a good education.

Another ATD, probably.

There's a difference between what an individual privately thinks, and what they express when they are acting as the representative of their school/leadership. Don't want to be Catholic? Don't agree with it? No problem - don't be. But in the case I mentioned of Mary Daly, she takes her salary from a "Catholic" school, then turns around and condemns the church's teaching at every turn. You don't have to be religious in any sense to see that's outright hypocrisy. And if the church leadership in the area has any sense, they want their message to be consistent.

Also, the point I'm making is about faculty and school/church leadership, not necessarily the students. So this isn't necessarily going to apply to the second part of your post.

But since you and I have different ideas on the church and how to be faithful, we're not going to see eye-to-eye on this. Not a flame, just an observation.

Adrienne
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Adrienne LMAO at your signature line!

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I think this is an interesting point. Not to bring up Notre Dame again, but since its the only Catholic school that I'm relatively familiar with (friends that go there/I've read books on it) -- I know that they have been having trouble with this issue. As their academic rankings have gotten better and better, the percentage of their faculty that is Catholic has dropped -- I think down to 65% in the mid-1990s and every decade it drops lower. The same with the student body composition. They struggle with whether they are a university first and a religious institution second or vice versa, and obviously there are those on both sides of the issue. Basically the current university administration has decided that in order to stay a strong academic institution, they have to compromise on some aspects of their Catholic heritage.

I'm sure Marquette struggles with the same issues and I'm sure a number of other religious schools do too.

Just read Liberty's rules...
 

Oh hell yeah, I would be kicked out and sent straight to hell wearing gasoline soaked drawers.

I bet Bob Jones University in SC is even worse

Re: For those that attend religious/jesuit universities..
 

Let's see if I can shed a little light since I just graduated from Baylor.
The Sig Eps actually just got yelled at a whole lot and suspended for one semester. It may have been a whole year, but definitely not kicked off campus. The girls who posed in the "girls of the Big XII" issue were kicked out of their respective GLOs and were also in deep crap although I dont' remember the specifics. I just remember all my Sig Ep friends pointing themselves out in the picture. Kinda stupid since the girls were wearing bikinis and shorts!!!!! Anyway, it was made known right away that any students participating would receive severe punishment.
As far as Baylor goes, it's the rule that if a female and male student have the same address they have to have the same last name.
Also, if Baylor cops give you an MIP or DWI or anything alcohol (or drug) related, your parents are notified. SUCKS!! Better to get caught by Waco police for murder than Baylor cops for MIP. Jk.
It is required that two semesters of religion classes be taken (usually old and new testament) as well as two semesters of chapel.
I can't really think of much else, I never got in trouble!!!!

ETA: chapel was two days a week, for one hour. Pretty cool sometimes.
Other than the stuff I already wrote, it really wasn't that strict, some of the craziest people I've ever met are from BU. Alchohol, sex, drugs, everything like that at the biggest Baptist school in teh world. Nice huh?

Re: Just read Liberty's rules...
 

You'd have more issues there than you think.

BJU is racially segregated and they dare to use the Bible to justify it. :rolleyes:

Good 'ole "BJ" was the butt of a LOT of satire by mainstream Christians of all denominations, esp in the '80s when a song called "We Don't Need No Color Code" hit the CCM airwaves and festivals.

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Yeah, I heard that I would have a hard time dating my husband :rolleyes:

OMG, I just looked at that Liberty dress code and it is nuts. I know when my mom was in her clinicals she couldn't wear pants into the clinic, but that was about it - the Marquette "dress code" is like:

Women: Wear jeans or black pants with boots, some sort of preppy sweater, peacoat or north face

Men: Jeans or khakis, collared shirt, NBs or Docs, baseball hat optional

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Well, i heard that the last time around, like 5 or 6 years ago, the girls were actually still students at Baylor and were asked to leave. Because of that, the only gals that posed for Baylor were ones that had already graduated. Not passing that as fact, that's just what i heard.

Didn't you guys just allow dancing on campus, like 10 years ago or something? ;)

Crazy Bears.

Kitso
KS 361

This time around they were all current students and I don't know if they were asked to leave or not. The Sig Eps did not have to leave, so I'm not really sure. It was the biggest deal ever on campus next to the Shark guys trying to "free the bears" and the whole basketball player murder thing. Crazy Bears is right!! And yes, it was only like 8 years ago that dancing was allowed on campus. :D Can you believe how liberal those Baptists are becoming?!!! ;) Isn't the BU/TAMU annual massacre at Kyle Field West this year?

Pepperdine?
 

Pepperdine is a Church of Christ school same as David Lipscomb University, Freed Hardeman, and Harding.

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It certainly is.

i hear there's talk of the Aggies making it a Maroon-out game. As there will probably be more maroon there than green and gold :D

What are Wesleyan universities? Like Kansas Wesleyan, Colorado Wesleyan, Dakota Wesleyan, etc?

Kitso
KS 361

Wesleyan schools are Methodist, named after the Methodist denomination founder, John Wesley.

Boston U started out as one of these, and later became non-sectarian as a whole, while their School of Theology maintained its Methodist heritage.

(I knew that comparative theology study would come in handy one day... :D )

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Re: Pepperdine?
 

My bad...I must be thinking of another California University.

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NBD. :)
I was Church of Christ before I became Presbyterian. My family has been (and still is) C of C since the movement began in the 1800's...actually one side became C of C over 100 years ago because they were supposedly excommunicated from the Lutheran Church for getting drunk on the Communion wine :eek:, but that is a whole other story!
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