Hank Nuwer: not a GLO friend
 

Hank Nuwer continues to cloak anti-GLO efforts with "research", and I know he'll be on the next Oprah or ABC News college life show saying there have been XX hazing deaths since 19XX.

If you look at his stats, though, on his webpage, many of the "hazing deaths" look like this:

William and Mary
Sigma Alpha Epsilon
Suicide of pledge (no link found to pledging, alcohol or drugs)
Gregory Thomas Bak, 18, plunged to his death from his dormitory window. _He left a suicide note.

Mississippi State University
Kappa Alpha
Starkville, MS
Alcohol-related fall.
Henry A. Hutton, a Kappa Alpha member, fell coming back from a local bar and struck his head. The death was called accidental.

Northwestern University
Evanston, Ill
Phi Kappa Psi
Case Under Investigation
Member Joseph Doyle, 22, was found dead at the Phi
Kappa Psi house.

Louisiana State University
Acacia
Fall while drinking
LSU student Jason Whittle died in alcohol-related incident after fall from Acacia deck.

Ball State University (Indiana)
Delta Chi
Police shooting while intoxicated
Michael McKinney, 21, was gunned down by a lone campus police officer when the young man, very intoxicated, lunged at him. McKinney had no weapon, and the incident is under investigation.

Like Eileen Stevens before him, Nuwer seems to be after personal publicity, and campus and foundation grants, by exploiting an terrible side of GLO life.

If the national GLO are going to cooperate with Nuwer, they need to insist on higher standards for his data collection and publishing.

And in other hot news, water is wet. ;) Hoosier's right on with everything he said. We need to stop promoting Hank Nuwer as an "expert" on hazing.

I think 'ol Hank needs to figure out what hazing is.

Ah wait... none of us really know what hazing is as every single group and state has a different definition.

So who knows, under some group's rules, maybe this stuff was hazing:D

I honestly think that those are just select instances from certain schools because the are involved with GLO's not all deaths that occur at schools are related to GLO's but yet the seem to be the only ones that people know about.

Don't put Eileen Stevens in the same category! Eileen lost her son because of hazing (IMO, locking pleges up in a trunk and forcing pledges to drink a bottle fo wine, a 6 pack of beer AND a pint of liquor before they can come out IS hazing...that is what happened to her son).

She is NOT anti-GLO. She is an Alpha Phi AI!

We should petition to Oprah and other shows he's on, so she won't have him on the show again!!

She may not be anti-GLO, but she certainly doesn't hate publicity. She has used some of the same tactics Nuwer has in labeling incidents as hazing simply because they involve Greeks, even though they had nothing to do with fraternity practices or pledge programs.

I appreciate your defense of your sister, and I'm sorry she lost her son in the way she did, but falsely creating hazing incidents is no way to preserve his memory.

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This was a tragedy! As he said, McKinney had no weapon, that is true. The entire situation was funked up. I'm not denying that people do stupid things when drunk, but I do wonder how this could possibly be hazing ?! 1- It had nothing to do with the fraternity as a whole. 2 - When this incident occured, there was no longer a D Chi chapter at Ball State to speak of - - they lost their house and charter long before this incident.

Down with Hank!!! :mad:

I think the problem with these so-called experts is a big one on TV. Producers have their rolodexes that are filled with just a few names. When a topic comes up, they call whoever is in their rolodex instead of doing proper research and calling a real expert.

Why do you think Gloria Allred gets on TV everytime anything involving women, children or minorities happens in California? When was the last time you actually heard about something better than average that she did in a court room? Why is she an expert on anything? Because she wears bright red lipstick and her name is Allred and therefore, she sticks out in producers' and the public's minds when certain topics come up.

Same goes for any TV show really. Look at Fox News or CNN. They are always calling on the same talking heads to comment on anything. Not that these people know much more than your average person, it's just that the viewing public trusts familiar faces more.

The fact that this guy is recognized by anyone as an expert on this is laughable. It's just that the general public doesn't have a clue as to what hazing even is. Couldn't give you a definition if you asked 'em. TV and news don't cater towards people that know what's going on. They are catering towards folks that want to buy what they're selling.

The fact that this guy gets any kind of publicity whatsoever is dangerous for all GLOs.

Eileen, cont.
 

I'm sorry she lost her son.

Among the "hazing deaths" on her list was a deal at South Carolina in which a couple guys were denied entrance to a GLO party (SN I think).

The guys left and returned with a gun, and killed two pledges.

That's on Eileen's old list.

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Speaking of this incident, the family is suing Ball State for $100 million.:eek:

Also Hank Nuwer used to be a journalism professor at Ball State when I was a student there.

Some people have Crosses to Bear and others bear a cross for specific reasons! Notoriety comes to mind! They have some facts and present them as the one and only grail or pulpit from which to teach!:(

Thier agenda is to be The King OF, and now , My question, is the King Of What!:confused:

It is so strange, that the scales are tipped to the negative, when there is so much else for the good that is done!:)

One example comes to mind LXA Great North American Food Drive, The largest of its kind and out does the next on hands over ass, The US Postal service! Da.

That is just one of so many that We as Greeks do for!:cool:

Damn, I hope someone reminds me when this schlub is on Opah so I can call in if give a chance fpr rebutal!

God Please relaese Me from these types of Idiots Take them to your bossoum and send them straight to Hell! Why, because They are Stupid!:mad:

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I think the family should win some money. I remember reading the story and the cop was a rookie. The thing that was weird was the fact that the cop didn't have pepper spray because he was still in training and he wasn't yet qualified to use pepper spray but he was carrying a gun.

madmax., now my question is have you ever carried a weapon as an law officer? Oh da, probably not!

Have you ever worn a uniform with a Badge and a Weapon, Da, probably not!

So what do you know other than reading some funky article about what happened!

I was very lucky in 7 years that I did not have to shoot anyone, I will tell you I was very damn close!

The Time between seconds do not count, you have miliseconds to decide and while trained to do certain things, human life is a strong deterent! But, you have just a short period of time, is it them or me?

Never talk about the shoes you have never worn!:(

Oh, how about the 3 Police Cars I had taken out from under Me when the good citizens did not see the red lights or hear the sirens! Damn lucky to be alive!:eek:

He couldn't shoot in the leg? The knee? The ankle?

If a cop is going to shoot, why is it always shoot to kill? Perhaps another issue for another thread, so let's say this: that wasn't hazing.

For Your Information Lady, when you are traind as A Police Officer, You are not Trained to Be Wyatt Earp as everyone likes to call it! It aint like fucking TV! It is real Life!

A Police Officer is Trained to shoot at The Mass of the body! Why, so maybe some innocent victum will not be be hit!

When the adrenienal is pumping in certain situations, you cannot try to hit a leg, arm or any thing else!

How many Weapons have your every shot??? How many times have you had a weapon aimed at you or a knife drawn on you?

Well, how does never sound?!
:confused:

Yes, I had God In My Hand, it was called a .357 Magnum and it was a terrible responsibilty! Live or die by my hand! :o

If it was between Them and I wanted it to be Them!

:rolleyes:

Too bad they didn't teach you to talk when you couldn't back it up - ever learn in a law class to never ask a question you don't know the answer to? I've shot a weapon quite a few times - a pistol and a rifle. I grew up in a military family and dated somebody who shot skeet in a league.

Don't tell me I don't understand weaponry or police tactics. Police can and are taught to aim for something besides the torso. How do I know this? Besides the generations of military in my family, my roommate from the sorority house is a cop. :D

Moving on, it still wasn't hazing.

Tom.

No. I have never worn a badge, carried a gun, shot an unarmed college student, or sodomized an illegal alien with a nightstick. I'll concede, you have more experience that me in those areas.


Back to my point. If a cop isn't qualified to carry pepper spray then why is he carrying a gun? Why did the cop shoot in the first place? His life wasn't in danger. He was called because of noise.


PS. I don't care if you had 3 police cars taken out from under you. You were probably speeding and running through redlights which caused the accidents.

Let's make out. I promise not to shoot you.

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Figured my fellow BSUer would come out of hiding to comment. I was in Muncie the weekend it happened and everyone was immediately talking about the family getting a settlement, but I never knew how far they actually went with it. Good for them if they get it.
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Gun or not, qualifications or not, etc, the main point here is that this particular incident was nowhere near hazing!

Is anyone one else's college participating in a video conference hazing seminar on Feb 24th?
I just got an email from our Greek Advisor who said we will be particiapting in it, and all our New Members are to attend to count as their mandatory anti-hazing lecture.

Guess who is one of the moderators...
Hank Nuwer

I knew the name sounded familiar, so I hopped back on GC and saw why...I think I might just attend to see what this guy has to say...

Here is a quote from the email...I can send more info if anyone wants it-

Well no maxie, It was because people do not see red flashing lights or hear sirens or just do not pay attention!:mad: I was the one hit by Idiots who are much worse today than then!

GP, wow, when did the military tell their people to shoot in the leg or arm????:confused: BS, they are trained to shoot with fully automated weapons, not hand guns or shot guns!

Some of the examples are proven to be wrong as were stated here!

As an idividual who wears a Badge and Carries a weapon, you have a very short time in which to react to shoot or dont shoot!

Now, who would you rather be, the one laying on the ground bleeding or the other guy!????:( :confused:

Have you ever been shot, cut, bit, smaked, kicked or anyother thing that will harm your person?!:confused:

If you have never walked in the shoes, dont try to walk the walk and talk the talk!

Tom, if you want to call my father or grandfather or uncle or greatuncle or roomie or roomie's husband to speak with them about this, they're all in the phone book.

And I have never been shot (THANKS MARQUETTE DPS!) but I have been cut, bit, smacked, kicked, punched, etc. Power puff can get brutal. And when I was buzy getting hazed in high school, I got quite a few other things too. It was Glenbrook North Lite.

I'm not "walking your walk" or talking your talk. I'm telling you what I know. Shooting to kill all the time is like pre-emption, it just shouldn't be done.

-GP, who fears for her live if all the cops are like you, because the ones in Milwaukee have killed enough innocent people and pets

Neither. Have you ever been shot at for knocking on the wrong door or making noise.

At what point was the cops life actually in danger?

I think one of the major issues in this case is the officer had so little training. He hadn't been sent to the Police Academy yet, wasn't certified yet to carry mace, yet was allowed to carry a gun, responded without waiting for back-up, then shot this student not once, but four times -3 in the chest and once in the face. I think people in the Ball State/Muncie community have the right to think this was an excessive response by an untrained officer. Granted, I do feel $100 million is too much to ask for, but I think the family is trying to garner attention to this case through the high damages sought.