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hoosier 02-06-2004 08:33 PM

Miami Kappa Sig hazers lose $12.6 mil verdict
 
Fri, Feb. 06, 2004
Jury awards $12.6 million to parents of Indianapolis student in drowning
Associated Press


MIAMI - A jury Friday found two fraternity members liable for $12.6 million in damages in the accidental drowning of a University of Miami student from Indianapolis in what attorneys called a hazing death.

Chad Meredith, 18, drowned in the campus' Lake Osceola on Nov. 5, 2001. He was legally drunk with a blood-alcohol level of 0.13 percent.

The jury ordered Kappa Sigma president Travis Montgomery and another fraternity officer, David May, to pay Meredith's parents $6.3 million each. The parents' attorneys said they would tap the fraternity's insurance to collect the money.

"This was the verdict the family was waiting for desperately," said David Bianchi, the parents' attorney. "This was a needless death in a fraternity hazing event."

Bianchi had asked the jury to issue a $10 million award, but after three hours, the six-member panel came back with a $14 million award. Chad Meredith was found 10 percent responsible, reducing the amount the fraternity member were ordered to pay to $12.6 million.

The defendants said they would appeal.

As Circuit Judge Ronald Friedman read the jury verdict, Montgomery shook his head and bent his head to his knees.

After the judge left the courtroom, Montgomery stood up and lunged toward the plaintiff's table, apparently trying to get at Bianchi, and had to be physically restrained by his defense lawyer and a bailiff.

"This was a case unprecedented in Florida," said defense Donald Hardemon. "There is no law in Florida making fraternities liable in hazing cases."

On the eight-part verdict, the jury determined that both Montgomery and May were acting as fraternity members at the time and place of the incident, both were negligence in exposing Meredith to harm which caused his death, and both failed to make a reasonable effort to help Meredith.

"The Merediths' son shouldn't have died. He was screaming for help and they swam away from him," Bianchi said. "He tried desperately to save himself, he got within 34 feet of the shore, and he drowned in 6 feet 9 inches of water."

The university had banned swimming in the lake, home to alligators as well as American crocodiles, after a student drowned in 1980.

James 02-06-2004 09:27 PM

Well at least the parents are getting paid . . .

Kevin 02-07-2004 09:56 AM

Everyone, bend over and prepare for the insurance companies to raise prices again...

sigtau305 02-07-2004 12:43 PM

that's really sad.:(

moe.ron 02-07-2004 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
Everyone, bend over and prepare for the insurance companies to raise prices again...
Quoted for the truth.

Rudey 02-07-2004 03:24 PM

Is there no way to let Kappa Sig deal with this without it affecting every other fraternity?

-Rudey

HotDamnImAPhiMu 02-07-2004 03:54 PM

I wish we knew more about the incident.... how sad.

hoosier 02-07-2004 04:16 PM

Another big loss coming
 
The Fiji - UCSB vs Belsky hazing suit is getting underway, and Fiji won the first round (two of ten charges dropped).

There's a thread somewhere with the details, and a link to the 20-some page detailed suit.

Ironically, one of the hazers being sued (every undergrad is) now works as a field secretary for Fiji.

Rudey 02-07-2004 04:17 PM

Re: Another big loss coming
 
Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
The Fiji - UCSB vs Belsky hazing suit is getting underway, and Fiji won the first round (two of ten charges dropped).

There's a thread somewhere with the details, and a link to the 20-some page detailed suit.

Ironically, one of the hazers being sued (every undergrad is) now works as a field secretary for Fiji.

Well if they lose this after the MIT case, I'd be worried for the Fijis.

-Rudey

PhiPsiRuss 02-07-2004 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
Is there no way to let Kappa Sig deal with this without it affecting every other fraternity?
Rudey,

I don't think that our fraternities will be affected. AEPi, Phi Psi, and 20 other fraternities belong to the FRMT, and Kappa Sig does not.

shadokat 02-08-2004 01:10 AM

Wow...all of us will feel the effects in the insurance.

Rudey 02-08-2004 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by russellwarshay
Rudey,

I don't think that our fraternities will be affected. AEPi, Phi Psi, and 20 other fraternities belong to the FRMT, and Kappa Sig does not.

I know we're in FRMT and I'm really interested in seeing how this all works with insurance. When we all join FRMT, what have we joined?? Does our insurance get pooled with others so if 20 of us put in 1 Million each and there is a $20 million lawsuit against a member fraternity that loses, will it be drawn from that?? That makes no sense so it can't be it but then what the hell is the FRMT? Is it a group to lobby for cheaper insurance costs?

-Rudey

Kevin 02-08-2004 11:14 AM

It probably doesn't matter where the money comes from. Insurance costs are based on the perceived risk to the insurance companies. A 12 million dollar verdict is something that'll increase the perception of the various insurance companies that this is a high-risk insurance proposition and that they either need to increase rates or get out of it before they loose their asses.

Glitterkitty 02-08-2004 11:34 AM

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Do you think Kappa Sigma will go under because of this? Could this possibly tap their resources enough that they will no longer be able to function?

Tex1899 02-08-2004 12:12 PM

I'm reading this to say there's a 99.99% chance some rules were broken by the chapter and/or the 2 members who were sued...

--The kid was 18 and was legally drunk. Who provided the alcohol?

--How'd he end up in the lake? Many will argue the lake part constitutes hazing.

The 2 members were sued...the article doesn't mention the fraternity being sued. So most likely the parents won't be able to tap into Kappa Sig's insurance because fraternity insurance policies don't cover you if you're breaking the rules. Will this cause Kappa Sig's insurance to go up? I think it's hard to say.

Does anyone know if Kappa Sigma HQ was sued?

HotDamnImAPhiMu 02-08-2004 02:28 PM

Kappa Sigma won't go under. That's why they have insurance, to cover things like this. It's just like if I hit someone with my car and they sued me -- the money comes from insurance, not my bank account. (Well, except for later when my insurance costs become astronomical and I can't afford to feed my cat because I'm paying the insurance company so much money.)

Their headquarters is in Charlottesville, Virginia. I doubt they'll be sued. It DOES sound like the blame is being placed on the two guys -- wonder why them, though, and not the entire chapter?

James 02-08-2004 02:37 PM

The chapter president has a legal liability for the actions of the entire chapter. I have heard of a chapter president going to jail for something when he was out of state at the time of the incident.

Thats something that used to wake me up with cold sweats at night.




Quote:

Originally posted by HotDamnImAPhiMu
Kappa Sigma won't go under. That's why they have insurance, to cover things like this. It's just like if I hit someone with my car and they sued me -- the money comes from insurance, not my bank account. (Well, except for later when my insurance costs become astronomical and I can't afford to feed my cat because I'm paying the insurance company so much money.)

Their headquarters is in Charlottesville, Virginia. I doubt they'll be sued. It DOES sound like the blame is being placed on the two guys -- wonder why them, though, and not the entire chapter?


PhiPsiRuss 02-08-2004 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shadokat
Wow...all of us will feel the effects in the insurance.
You don't know that, and that may not be even close to being true.

The reason why the FIPG is no longer the Fraternity Insurance Purchasing Group, is because sororities did not want to continue to subsidize the higher insurance costs of the fraternities in the FIPG.

We do have the ability to shield our insurance costs from the impact of other groups in our industry. That's a reason for the FRMT's existence. Many national fraternities would love to join the FRMT, but have a track record that would cause the cost to existing FRMT members to rise.
Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
I know we're in FRMT and I'm really interested in seeing how this all works with insurance. When we all join FRMT, what have we joined?? Does our insurance get pooled with others so if 20 of us put in 1 Million each and there is a $20 million lawsuit against a member fraternity that loses, will it be drawn from that?? That makes no sense so it can't be it but then what the hell is the FRMT? Is it a group to lobby for cheaper insurance costs?
I don't know how the financing works, but the FRMT is more than a lobbying group. It is a reinsurance group, and I forget exactly how reinsurance differs from insurance.

I e-mailed our FRMT rep with a question about this Kappa Sig incident, and if it will affect us. I should get a reply e-mail by Tuesday, and then I'll post the answer here.

ETA There's an explanation of what the FRMT is in this newsletter:
http://www.frmtltd.org/data/frmt_news/1997_fall.pdf

AlphaXiGirl 02-08-2004 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by russellwarshay

The reason why the FIPG is no longer the Fraternity Insurance Purchasing Group, is because sororities did not want to continue to subsidize the higher insurance costs of the fraternities in the FIPG.

http://www.frmtltd.org/data/frmt_news/1997_fall.pdf

FIPG NEVER had anything to do with actually purchasing insurance. The sororities NEVER subsidized any part of insurance cost for fraternities in the FIPG.

In the early years, it was thought that the group could have its own insurance company but those plans were abandoned before ever being implemented. I think because too few groups joined and the cost was prohibitive.

PhiPsiRuss 02-08-2004 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlphaXiGirl
FIPG NEVER had anything to do with actually purchasing insurance. The sororities NEVER subsidized any part of insurance cost for fraternities in the FIPG.

In the early years, it was thought that the group could have its own insurance company but those plans were abandoned before ever being implemented. I think because too few groups joined and the cost was prohibitive.

You're right. It didn't, but if it did, with sororities as part of it, the sororities would have effectively been subsidizing fraternities.

KSigkid 02-08-2004 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by James
The chapter president has a legal liability for the actions of the entire chapter. I have heard of a chapter president going to jail for something when he was out of state at the time of the incident.

Thats something that used to wake me up with cold sweats at night.

i hear that...being fraternity president comes with a huge insurance policy for a reason.

kappa sig will not go under because of this; what the results are though, i don't know.

Kevin 02-08-2004 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSigkid
i hear that...being fraternity president comes with a huge insurance policy for a reason.

kappa sig will not go under because of this; what the results are though, i don't know.

The sad (and scary) thing is that based on what we've seen from the chapters of most nationals (my own included), this kind of accident followed by a verdict like this could happen to any of us.

I know we say it all the time here, but there really needs to be a better self-policing of GLO's. I mean, we all say that we are now against hazing, but how many of us can say that and then claim that we know for a fact that no chapter of our frathernity hazes?

I hear talk at national conventions which tells me otherwise. It tells me that hazing is alive and well in my fraternity -- and that it's accepted by many as the norm as it has been for many, many years.

I'm at a loss for what possibly could solve this problem.

DeltAlum 02-09-2004 12:25 AM

Kappa Sig could fail in two ways if they lose this suit:

One, if they're self insured, as are many fraternities, they may not have $12 Million.

Two, again if they lose, their rates could go up so far that individual members would be priced out of the fraternity because dues could go so high to cover the insurance.

And it is almost certain to affect all fraternities because it makes us at least appear to be bigger risks. Thus, higher premiums.

exlurker 02-09-2004 12:54 AM

We may not know what effect this will have on insurance until after all the appeals -- which will most likely come -- are exhausted.
On Saturday or maybe Friday the Palm Beach Post had a story about the verdict. The article said that the dead pledge's family might try to collect from Kappa Sigma's $20 million insurance policy, and / or from the homeowners policies of the families of the defendants (worth about $800,000). Whether those insurance figures are accurate or not, I don't know.

And of course collecting might be difficult.

James 02-09-2004 01:24 AM

Further information says that Kappa Sigma as a national fraternity was dismissed as a defendant.

exlurker 02-09-2004 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by James
Further information says that Kappa Sigma as a national fraternity was dismissed as a defendant.
Precisely. That's why it's hard for me to see how the family of the drowned man could collect anything directly from the fraternity's insurance.

DeltAlum 02-09-2004 11:26 PM

"The jury ordered Kappa Sigma president Travis Montgomery and another fraternity officer, David May, to pay Meredith's parents $6.3 million each. The parents' attorneys said they would tap the fraternity's insurance to collect the money."

Remember those huge insurance policies that chapter presidents (and advisors, etc.) have? Doesn't the fraternity buy them?

In these days when many of us don't put in claims for minor damage so our auto insurance won't go up, why is it difficult to undertand how this kind of judgement will affect chapter and nationals insurance?

James 02-10-2004 11:10 PM

Also keep in mind kiddies that neither the university nor the police department considered this incident to be actual hazing. Neither filed charges.


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