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annice22 01-26-2004 11:53 PM

Fraternity racially insults guest at party
 
One of my sisters told me something that really made me mad.

She (my sister) went to her favorite fraternity over the weekend and she took two of her friends over to their house. 2 of the brothers proceeded to say to her are you responsible for this and not understanding what they were talking about they went on to explain that was she responsible for bring the black people.

This made me so mad that I'm going to bring this up to my sorority at our meeting sunday and to suggest that we do not do anything else with this fraternity. Side not we have a mixer planned with them the third week of february. She says that the fraternity is taking care of this but I do not feel as though we should associate with them anymore.

Also, this fraternity also insulted another oney of my sisters who is also my roommate at homecoming by calling her out of her name because we were leaving a party.

What would you do if you were in this situation?

Senusret I 01-26-2004 11:57 PM

Personally, I think whatever action you take should be THOROUGHLY EXPLAINED to the fraternity, in writing, preferably.

It's definitely your prerogative to not be associated with racists, but if you don't explain that to them, there is no opportunity for them to apologize, change, or discipline the offending members.

honeychile 01-27-2004 12:12 AM

Just a minute... Your sister & roomie was insulted back at Homecoming and you're still associating with these clowns? That's NOT how it's supposed to work!

As Senusret said, you most definitely need to tell these guys, in writing, exactly why you as a sorority are upset, and what you expect them to do about it.

Something on the lines of brothers have insulted your sisters on an ongoing basis, but the racial slurs were beneath the dignity of any mature college student would be good. The brothers involved should apologize to those they have insulted, and a public general apology for their lack of class and/or tolerance could be demanded. The letter should be written in a mature, nonemotional way, with a copy sent to their national headquarters.

Until these are fulfilled, you as a sorority should not continue to associate with this fraternity. Yes, that sounds drastic. But it works.

sigtau305 01-28-2004 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Senusret I
Personally, I think whatever action you take should be THOROUGHLY EXPLAINED to the fraternity, in writing, preferably.

It's definitely your prerogative to not be associated with racists, but if you don't explain that to them, there is no opportunity for them to apologize, change, or discipline the offending members.

I agree with Senusret I. It was wrong of them for making that type of statement. Writing a letter is a good way to let them know that type of behavior is unacceptable. Besides, I'm sure there are other Fraternities your Sorority can have a mixer with.

Optimist Prime 01-28-2004 08:11 PM

Re: Fraternity racially insults guest at party
 
Quote:

Originally posted by annice22

Also, this fraternity also insulted another oney of my sisters who is also my roommate at homecoming by calling her out of her name because we were leaving a party.

:confused:

Optimist Prime 01-28-2004 08:12 PM

I would not send a copy to their HQ that is going too far beyond your own business. I agree with Suerset that you should put it in writing, but I would suggest that it be from your secretary to theirs.

Munchkin03 01-28-2004 08:42 PM

Put it in writing, and avoid the jack@$$es.

KnightDU02 01-28-2004 09:26 PM

After one time...
 
Shame on them, after a second then shame on you..its obvious these guys have no respect or class and they do not deserve you or your fellow sisters company. As a previous post stated, I wouldnt go to HQ with it, but would definately send a formal letter from your chapter to theirs addressing the issue and encouraging the person(s) that made the comments to attend some diverse events for enlightenment especially with black history month a week away.

honeychile 01-28-2004 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Optimist Prime
I would not send a copy to their HQ that is going too far beyond your own business. I agree with Suerset that you should put it in writing, but I would suggest that it be from your secretary to theirs.
I beg to differ.

Anyone wearing my letters is representing me. If a chapter of my sorority is acting like a bunch of low-class racists, it affects me, too. One of the purposes of having an International Headquarters is so they will step in and remind these clods that they represent the entire GLO, and in this case, an apology is needed.

There is never an excuse for rudeness; there's even less excuse for racist remarks.

ETA: "racist remarks OR racism at all!"

Rudey 01-28-2004 09:37 PM

Too bad nothing will happen. The fraternity isn't going to launch an investigation and nobody ever will hold this against them. But write the letter so you feel you at least did something. I personally think an email to the newspaper would help.

-Rudey

_Opi_ 01-29-2004 12:33 PM

And this happened in MI?

texas*princess 01-29-2004 04:40 PM

Re: Fraternity racially insults guest at party
 
Quote:

Originally posted by annice22
2 of the brothers proceeded to say to her are you responsible for this...

...Also, this fraternity also insulted another oney of my sisters who is also my roommate at homecoming by calling her out of her name because we were leaving a party.

I'm a little confused here. Am I the only one here is thinking "why would they blacklist an entire fraternity chapter because of what two of their brothers said?

I want to be perfectly clear and say that what those two said was in NO WAY right, but why would you cut all ties because of two members?

I'm also a little confused about the second part: "Also, this fratnerity insulted another one of my sisters..."

Was it the entire fraternity or just a couple of it's members?

I think you just just do what you want with it, but remember: Don't burn any bridges you may need to cross later.

honeychile 01-29-2004 10:14 PM

Granted, there are different ways of handling this, but the way I've seen that's the most effective is to immediately (as in, this should have happened 5 minutes after the original insult), the sorority leaves, and a letter stating that, when a brother of ABC insults a sister of XYZ, the entire chapter is insulted, and the sisters expect an immediate apology. Maybe it was my school, but that was standard operating procedure. If an apology wasn't received within 2 days, a second letter was written, with a copy sent to the Executive Office.

Needless to say, I think the time has passed in this particular case, but when everyone realizes the gravity of ONE brother insulting ONE sister, it makes for a much kinder and respectful greek system.

starang21 01-31-2004 11:24 AM

this shit doesn't surprise me.

ChaosDST 01-31-2004 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by starang21
this shit doesn't surprise me.
Sad, but true....

James 01-31-2004 12:43 PM

Hmmmm . .. how peculiar.

Your sister brought her friends to the frat house, a couple of the guys racially insulted the friend. They were your sister's friends, if she was so upset about it why didn't she strenously defend them then?

She doesn't sound like such a great friend.

You need to do what you think is right, although perspective is good also.

I think Texas Princess has a point that no doubt the entire fraternity is not at fault because a couple of crackers act up.

If I had received a letter like that froma sorority, I would have investigated it and if true I just would have brought it up at a meeting casually. "Ok guys you have just won asshole of the week award for being stupid. " And then let it go at that, because what else could be done?

Phasad1913 01-31-2004 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChaosDST
Sad, but true....

DEUCE!! I see you're still at it. What's up girlie?!?!

Anyway, this happened sp frequently when i was in school, we just stopped going to the white frat parties. Wasn't worth it. Then we started having our own parties when I pledged and brought the Deltas to campus and some of them would start coming. We never insulted them. Oh well. I'm glad I'm away from all that now.

Phasad1913 01-31-2004 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by decadence
Glad you're away from what? Racism of some youths or glad you're away from 'melatonin challenged' folks?
I'm glad I'm away from the college atmosphere as a whole, the frat party scene in particular.

Munchkin03 01-31-2004 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by Phasad1913
I'm glad I'm away from the college atmosphere as a whole, the frat party scene in particular.
I feel the same way. I'm in grad school, but I spend so little time on campus it's laughable.

Tom Earp 01-31-2004 08:17 PM

I dont care what school you are in, if I had been in the same situation, I would have been incensed and made a damn big scene!:mad: Right then and there!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

It is then the decision of your Organization if they want to Associate with them further. You as a group then let it be known on campus via the word of mouth about the treatment and let it takes its course.

Knowing only of the situation of what you told us, we do not know exactlly what was going on, what school, what demographic area, ETC! Yes, I think it still goes on but you are there along with a lot of other people who may be able to change it!

Senusret I 01-31-2004 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by decadence
Glad you're away from what? Racism of some youths or glad you're away from 'melatonin challenged' folks?
Melatonin is a hormone that makes you sleepy (sorta).

Melanin is what gives skin its pigmentation. (and hair and eyes)

:D

Phasad1913 01-31-2004 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Senusret I
Melatonin is a hormone that makes you sleepy (sorta).

Melanin is what gives skin its pigmentation. (and hair and eyes)

:D

I was gonna say something about that, but I decided to answer the question and go on my way.

starang21 02-01-2004 12:49 AM

out of all of this, what did the black folks say to that cat?

decadence 02-01-2004 07:37 AM

Quote:

Senusret I: Melatonin is a hormone that makes you sleepy (sorta).

Melanin is what gives skin its pigmentation. (and hair and eyes)
:D Whoops! My bad. I must've had too much melatonin when I made my silly error! :o Thanks Senusret; and Phasad for your above reply.


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