Kerry winner in Iowa Caucuses
 

Senator John Kerry is the official winner of the Iowa Caucuses.

This is how the polls broke down:

Kerry: 38%
Edwards: 32%
Dean: 18%
Gephardt: 11%

Are you surprised at the outcome? How do you think this will affect New Hampshire? Do you even care?

Even though I was bombarded with advertisements for the past month, I didn't vote. I didn't feel I knew enough about the candidates to give my vote to someone (and I'm not a Democrat, so I didn't pay too much attention.)

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Bob Dole? Elizabeth Dole? I thought that they are Republicans.
Interesting!

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D'OH! :o I'm listening to CNN on the TV and they're talking to Bob Dole. Damn subliminal messages. It's been fixed.

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I've made that same type of mistake a hundred times. I just couldn't resist poking fun at yours.:p

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S'okay! I never was fond of Dean! ;) (Though Dole isn't much of an improvement!)

YESS!! I'm glad that Edwards had such a strong showing in Iowa!! I'm pulling for him!

So happy Howard Dean did not win! I will support him over Bush, but I think we have many better candidates.

Dick Gephardt will drop out of the Presidential Race tomorrow, and will not go to New Hampshire. The field is now 7....

2 down, 7 to go. Four More Years!

Iowa people must be pretty smart. They went for Kerry, who is the strongest potential opponent for Bush.

Kerry vs Bush would be great. Yale grads, skull and bones members as well.

A Kerry /Clark or Kerry / Edwards ticket would be a good one.

Same here.............

And I agree with GP too, I am SO glad Dean did not win. I'm not sure I would vote if it was Dean vs Bush..........

We are! ;) From what I understand, the movement through the Internet that Kerry utilized was what really pulled people to his side. (That and he's fairly farm-friendly, that's always a big plus with Iowans)

As someone who generally casts his lot with Bush, I really hope that Dean pulls the primary out. Dean is just far enough to the left that I think he could do well in the primaries by bringing out the base and just well enough to piss off the moderates in the general election.

Now we have Kerry. I don't know enough about the fella and his character as a politician, his stances, etc.. I know he used to be thought of as a pretty far left type of guy. Don't know where he's gone since the election started.

Out of all the Dems, I like Edwards the most. He seems to be the most sincere.

Surprising the gap between Kerry, Edwards and the rest of the field. Dean's outcome must have been extremely disappointing for his supporters.

However Iowa has not traditionally been a good forecaster of the overall primary, so it's way too early to be pushing Kerry too far ahead. A good win for him though.

You realize that the primaries are always going to yield one candidate right? Just b/c two have left the field means nothing.

Besides talking to most of the people I know who aren't Republicans, the primary really means nothing as they already know who they are going to be voting for when the election comes around: Anyone NOT BUSH.

Wow,

what a great reason to vote for someone, not because you like them, but because of your dislike for someone else.

What happend to Lieberman? did he drop out of the race? or just not participate in the Iowa caucus?

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Neither he nor Clark participated in the Iowa Caucuses.

I dont understand why Gephardt is dropping out of the race - can someone explain this to me? Lieberman and Clark didn't even participate in the Iowa caucuses - why does his poor showing neccessarily mean that he should drop out?

As for Dean, I am so glad he did not have a good showing - I think he is super creepy. Like GP said, I would support him over Bush, but I think he is just waaaaaaaaaaaay too creepy to win. Did anyone see his speech last night? While I think the some newspapers blew it a little out of proportion, I DO think some of his true colors showed through, and he came off as having a bit of a temper tantrum....

From what I understand, Iowa was Gephardt's "test market" so to speak. He's from a neighboring state (Missouri), he won the Caucuses in 1988 (I think). The general thought was if he could get the support he needed in Iowa, then he felt like he could continue, but since he didn't get the support (coming in a very low 4th) he didn't feel he had the support necessary to pull ahead of the other contenders later on in the game.

Wow. Can I use the word support any more times in that sentence?

I think the general feeling is that they will like whoever is Bush's opponent far more than they will ever like Bush. He hasn't exactly done a whole lot to endear himself to a lot of people.

I see the logic. Honestly, I'm considering voting democrat. WHY????????? Well, if Bush wins, say hello to HILLARY in four years. I believe she would win against just about anyone. THAT scares me more than anything...even Dean.

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Wow,

what a great reason to vote for someone, not because you like them, but because of your dislike for someone else.


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I think the general feeling is that they will like whoever is Bush's opponent far more than they will ever like Bush. He hasn't exactly done a whole lot to endear himself to a lot of people.

I have a friend working on Kerry's campaign in Iowa (he relocated to do it, perhaps the only black Yale/Andover grad in the state but I digress). They are all quite excited, but this is the first of many battles.

It seems to me that Kerry winning Iowa has more meaning in a media-attention sense than politically. The media has been waaaay overhyping Dean and with this win Kerry manages to make a fairly significant statement and turn the focus onto himself.

I am all for a Kerry/Edwards ticket later this year!

i agree!! i think that would be a fabulous ticket that would pull a lot of different groups together.

the southern democrats and younger generation under Edwards and the older, veteran crowd under Kerry.

I think it would be a wise move. I actually wouldn't mind seeing Edwards, Kerry, or Clark in the dem deat - anyone but Dean, he's way creepy.

You all have to be kidding with these Edwards posts like “he seems sincere” The guy made his career chasing ambulances and suing doctors. What is ethical or sincere about that? He is one of the main problems inherent in our nation’s justice system. Nothing sincere about the guy. Ugh. The single worst person that could be elected. A rich, elitist, dishonest, lying ambulance chaser... not my type of president. Yours?

Agreed! Simply stated PLAINTIFF LAWYER!

Not going to lump all of them together-that would be stereo typing-but DAY-UM!

I do think he will appeal to anyone who has never been sued-
ANYONE? ANYONE?:rolleyes:

Like this doesn't describe a lot of politicians? :)
Kerry or not. Democrat or republican.

I don't think Kerry/Edwards because I particularly admire the guy.

I just think it might be the best possible chance for a Dem win. Edwards' appeal could help Kerry in the swing states - he will have an appeal that Kerry as an old school Yankee just won't have. The red states will stay red and the blues blue, but Edwards would probably be a better bet in the in-between states than Clark, even if he is from Arkansas, so I am tentatively thinking this could be a good ticket.

So basically anyone but Bush. :p

I was talking about Edwards. Okay, does that make it right? No Way. He is a scumbag. And by the way, most people in SC do not like how he considers himself a South Carolinian. He was hanging around in charleston the other week and I wanted to tell him my vote would go to Bart Simpson before it would go to him, but I just stayed at the other end of the bar...

I had said in another thread here that I thought the media was pushing Dean down our throats and I'm most relieved that he didn't win in Iowa so that they would stop that!

Dee

I don't understand? So you would rather have someone in office that is a creepy, money-grubbing sneak? Anyone but Bush? What is that supposed to mean? What do you have against Bush? Are you that partisan that you don't even care about issues?

Hmm...

Bush not a money grubbing sneak? What about the rampant cronyism that has plagued his administration.

Anyone but bush? It's supposed to mean exactly what it says. There are a great number of people out there who feel that Bush has pushed this country in a direction we should not be going.

Issues? Name your issues and I'll tell you what Bush has done that I don't agree with.

Okay, we are straying from my original question. Without talking about Bush, do you really not care about issues? WOuld you really not care who got elected as long as they were a Democrat? Doesn't the whole free health care thing scare you? Please forgive my "what's your problem with Bush" question, I realize I could answer my own question 35 times if I wanted to.

I'm not a democrat but I am liberal, which means that the majority of the time I vote democrat.

If the republican party had a viable moderate candidate out there to run against Bush, I would give him the same consideration I give the democratic candidates right now. It just so happens that when I say anyone but Bush the only "anyones" out there right now are dems.

No I really do care about the issues, and that's why there are some democratic candidates I prefer over others...It's why I wouldn't be caught dead voting for Lieberman at this point.

However, all things considered, when it comes down to it, on the issues I care about most, Bush is so far away from what I believe in that anyone more to the left is going to be an improvement for me. It is because of my stance on these issues that I, and many other people, are going to vote for someone other than Bush.

To be completely honest, there are far more things I agree with in the Libertarian Party platform than in the Republican platform.

Not to be critical, but I don't think any of the current plans for a National Health Care system label it as free. In Canada it is funded out of tax revenue, and there are a wide variety of options for Universal care that could be used.
I'm hoping to become a doctor and I'm all for a National Health Care system, b/c I don't think that being able to go see a doctor should be a privilage. Neither should being able to go a specialist who will make you better. Would such a system hurt my earning potential...yeah, but there are a lot of other ways to earn that type of money a lot easier than becoming a doctor, seriously. It's not about the money to me, and as someone who has wanted to be a doctor since the age of three it never has been.

The other major reason I approve of a national health care policy is that it will make our health care system better. Right now, contrary to what President Bush said last night, by any health outcome measure you want to use, the United States does not have the best health care in the world. Not anywhere close. Whether it's live expectency or infant mortality rates, we continue to slip lower and lower in comparisons to other countries. We may more of the most cutting edge technology, but that hasn't translated to better overall health. This is because only certain people are privilage to get access to those procedures. The rich continue to get richer and the poor get poorer.

I could go on, but instead, if you're interested in finding out more about a National Health program go to the Physicians for a National Health Program website at www.nphp.org

Now that is what I call a response... Thank you. In fact, as a result, I will go there, and see what they have to say. Also, I will pay a heck of a lot more attention to what the Dem's have to say in there upcoming debate on Fox. Brit Hume does a great job of moderating Democratic Debates, he is one of the most unbiased reporters on cable news right now, IMO. Anyways, Thanks for that post, it shows that you know what is going on...