Would you turn in your Chapter?
 

This question is for all Greeks:

If you were a Grad Advisor for your organization and you discovered that the undergrads were hazing, would you turn them in? Why or Why not?

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Sphinxpoet

Just a little clarification, Soror, is this my initiating chapter, or any undergraduate chapter?

I'm still thinking...I'm still thinking. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif

This situation was told to me just last week. I'm awaiting any input.

Thats a tough one, honestly I have to really think on this one.

well let's look at this situation for what it is.. if you are a Grad Advisor then you have taken on that responibility...
Think about your sorority as a whole and the fact that YOUR name will be on the lawsuit if anything goes down

But there are other ways of handling these things besides turning them in..

Just food for thought

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Great thought - that was something I thought about when I first read this:
1 was I down with this process, 2)If I wasn't down and this was done behind my back, is my name all up in it, which I believe as a Grad advisor if you don't step up then you must be a part of it at least that is how the RD in my region sees it. I don't have an answer yet.

Convinced do you want an answer based off of what you gave or do you care to put more detail to it?

Well, I still don't know what I would do, this is a hard one! But I know who I'd call: Sorors AKA_Monet and HappyDaysf91!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

**In AKAtude's best "Family Feud" shout: Good answer, good answer!!!**

Where are they anyway?

It Depends on the allegations.....I would have to take the chapter's side first because I know them and I would listen to them but if there was a dead body 30 paddles and Bros standing over the dead body then there is a problem

Sphinxpoet
Pledging his Love to A-Phi-A!!

Ok, first off, I am LMAO over here at your Family Feud rendition! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Secondly, I don't know where Monet and HappyDays are! I wasn't the only one MIA! And Soror Monet has been MIA for a minute!!

OK, let's clarify it more:

Ideal08, it IS your initiating chapter. Let's say that you are mature, oh, 28, 29ish... you USED to be down, but now..... you are older and a little wiser. What now?

Since that would put me in that 28/29-ish category...

It would depend on... what was going on, If I knew what was going on, my "relationship" with the Sorors, the soror's "relationship" with the interests...

BUT, if it was STRICTLY MIND GAMES (only), ...AND EVERYTHING WAS COOL...

I don't think I would....SORRY!

Depending on the circumstances,I would turn in certain individuals for getting off the hook. If I were an advisor, I would have to say hmmmmm depending on the circumstances. Truthfully, Conskeeted ain't KETCHIN a charge FO nobody. I most definately do everything in my power to keep everyone out of trouble; however, if it just came down to it........shoot - I hate these darn question. They make me think!!!!!!!

HAAAY!!!!

As far as the question goes, I've told my undergrads that if I get phone calls from anybody's parents, they are in trouble...

If I see bruises on any girls body, they are in trouble...

If I get a call from somebody's school psychological, student health services, they are in trouble...

And my Regional Director is from my chapter!!! So, no funny business can happen, 'cuz pearls are being actively pulled--at least in my Cluster...

My Undergrad Sorors have been very sweet. If they have intimidated a girl, that is borderline "hazing", but then, what is a job interview anyways??? They may have pulled the wool over my eyes, but so far, nobody's parents called me. In fact, I've called them!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif

As far as having unauthorized, outside of MIP, non-initiated girl, history "sessions" in the library--If I roll up in there, I'd want my greeting, too... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif But, then, I'd havta tell my undergrad sorors to stop. Really, the interests outta be doing that chit on they own... But that is borderline hazing...

But if the undergrads are gonna do it regardless what we tell them--then they may as well do it right--and be ADVISED that they could be caught--And I've told them I will disavow any and all information--That's why my chapter is Mission Impossible... And I'm called The Matrix...

Whoa....spinxpoet....please tell me that there won't have to be a dead body before there is a "problem"

I saw this yesterday....didn't know how to reply...

However, being an individual who has served her 'time' as an undergrad (2 years 4 mo susp.) and one in a unique position now, I truly believe in CYA....basically, if there is evidence and you are being called by parents...you need to cover your xxxxx!

As I get older, I start seeing things differently -- looking at the bigger picture...such as the welfare and future of our illustrious organization. Therefore, we must follow our rules and regulations. If we don't follow and respect them...who will?

(Don't jump on me all at once Sorors (smile)!!!

I would be there at the sets so no I wouldn't turn them in.

[This message has been edited by AKA2D '91 (edited April 25, 2001).]

There are other things that are problems but I just went to the extreme right Eclipse. I never ever hope it is that it is that serious where someone's life is in danger or their immediate well being! To all you interest out there no process is serious enough to put your health at risk.

Point of Inquirey:

Was anyone injured? How severe? What is the nature of the infraction? Witnesses?

ditto.

I think my Soror posed the questions to Greeks...soooooooo, when you get yours, we can discuss it over a soda pop! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

OKAY? OKAY!

That was to Ms. V.Secret...i guess she deleted her post, while I was responding... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif

[This message has been edited by AKA2D '91 (edited April 26, 2001).]

We all know that there is a difference in joining Grad chapters vs. undergrad when there was the unilateral switch to "processes" in all NPHC affiliates...

Therefore, the little "innocent" stuff cain't happen no mo'--such as making up chants for the Dean of Pledges, giving gifts to all the big sisters, all line sisters/brothers wearing the same clothing at all times, walking with a purpose and being in on line--trudging--I guess they call it these days... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif

When I spoke to my Soror Mom that we couldn't do that stuff anymore, she--the Silver Star--said "Hey, that's the FUN stuff!!!"

But then folks havta take too far, folks got killt and folx sued and won... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif

That's why there was a moratorium and a massive switch to MIPing http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif--hence, numerous undergrad chapters went underground to still get that "flava"...

Just goto www.kazodiass.com to see all the stuff "they" say 'bout skaters and all... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gif

So, if I tell them in my monotone voice 'cuz I've yelled it, I've screamed it, I've cursed them owt, I've repeated it 1000 times, over and over again--"No, don't, stop, suspend, relax, release, pearls pulled, expelled, exhale..." and it doesn't make a difference, then I feel I may as well ADVISE them that they can get caught. And if they are stupid enuf to get caught--I WILL act "GRAD" and disavow any and all information... Which I might get them into more trouble-- And it means, they chit gotta be tight... 'Specially when The Matrix has you...

So when some undergrad sorors, fellow sorority sisters and brothers come upto me asking 'bout it, 'bout it and saying that any true to life "skater" who comes all out with ill-deserved 'nalia-ed out, hatin' on the hard work pledges go thru that gets the chapter awards for charter keepin' and the greeks know they will be ostracizingly ugly and mean--I say:

Be nice...

And if you can't be nice, don't be harsh...

And if you havta be harsh, don't be severe...

And love one another and I have loved you--so you must love one another... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/tongue.gif

Ditto.

Soror I feel you strongly on what u said. I feel you loose that special bond going thru MIP. As long as there are no bruises and just some mind games no harm is done. Hopefully one day things will return to the way they were.

Soror Ms Revlon (f)
Spr 88

Someone made reference, once again to the "skater" issue. Most undergrads will fight to keep the process intact. Many of you know it's not all that simple to do--even with the simple stuff. However, I will ditto one of the other Sorors. If I warned you to chill and you did something stupid to bring it out--then my pearls will not be involved in the snatching. But one thing I simply cannot and will not do however is put my ls out there so ....I plead the 8th on that one.

Greetings Sorors!!! I typically stay silent while here in greekchat but this topic really compelled me to respond.

There is almost NO WAY that I would be able to turn in my undergrad chapter or any other chapter for pledging. Let's remember, there is a difference between hazing and pledging. They would have to be doing some really bad stuff (anything immoral or that would compromise someone's integrity)for me to turn them in. And I would still find some other way to handle the situation before I turned them in. That's the LAST choice.

I firmly believe that the process is what makes a soror. You cannot learn about sisterhood, commitment, dedication, etc without it. How would you learn all that you need to know? Let's also remember that the real pledging starts AFTER you get your letters! "Paper" or "real" if all you do is throw your pinkie up, party hop, or wear letters, you get NO respect from me. If you're a hard worker and are committed to Alpha Kappa Alpha then you're alright.

Sorry that this is long but.....that's just me!

Soror SeriousAKA, you are exactly right!!

Being a neo, I can attest that the 'real' pledging startes AFTER you get your letters. The MIP experience will be different for every person, every line, and every chapter. MIP is not the only place and time a line and/or chapter can form the bonds of sisterhood or brotherhood.

THIS IS A LIFELONG COMMITTMENT (Keep that in mind Serious SF's). Bonding doesn't end at MIP.

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I just love the way we just ASSUME that the undergrads are the only one's pledging and hazing http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Sphinxpoet

You got that right!

ummmmm. NO COMMENT! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

You make a good point sphinxpoet!!!! The same goes for grad as well (sometimes they need the MOST pledging!)

I would up hold the responsibility that I have stated that I can and will!!
That standard would go straight across the board regardless of the chapter.

I found this thread while researching. This a good question considering recent events. I'm wondering has anyone's views changed? Interests are told to do the right thing. Should the same motto apply to members as well?

My reply would remain the same...
 

I would still do it. The welfare of my illustrious organization is more important than someone's selfish plans.

And in light of the recent events, I hope my Sorors would do so as well.

Our rules are rules and aren't meant to be broken. If you don't like the 'way' we do things.....then join another organization! Or better....pay your dues, get active (physically), run for national office......and MAKE THAT CHANGE!

God bless!

Yes I would in a heartbeat. I am a grad advisor and I've reported members to the University and on another time, I reported them to the Regional Director which led to some of them being expelled. I'll do it again and would hope anyone else would too.

I didn't read all the replies yet . . .

But I think it would have a lot to do with my relationship with the chapter. If it was an excellent relationship and I thought I could take steps to change things on my own, I would try.

I would just document like hell everything I was doing and have a definite time frame. And all the bullshit would stop immediately and they would be closesly monitored.

If that couldn't happen I would turn them in with conditions and recomendations. After all in a situation like that we are the on site evaluators so we might be able to help HQ make better decisions . . .

I don't know if that helps.

A bad relationship, would mean I would turn them in because there would be no trust or communication.