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CrimsonTide4 01-08-2004 09:34 AM

Sex and Teenagers: Hip Hop Condoms
 
Company Targets Teens With Hip-Hop Condoms

Thursday, January 08, 2004

By Liza Porteus



NEW YORK — A campaign to market a new line of condoms to teens has some people wondering if it's conveying a message that condom use — and, in essence, sex — is cool for kids.

Jimmie Hatz condoms (search) — "jimmie hat" is a hip-hop slang word for condom — are slated to hit some store shelves Feb. 1 and are aimed at urban teens across the country. The company that produces the condoms says it's promoting safe sex, but critics decry the idea of marketing contraceptives directly to teens in a way that seems "hip."

"Basically, what we've tried to do here is make it the cool thing to do, the 'in' thing to do, to protect yourself," said Harry Terrell, CEO of Common Ground USA (search), which produces the condoms.

The marketing campaign targets what Common Ground calls the "hip-hop kulture," particularly in minority communities that are hardest hit with HIV and AIDS. That culture is defined as any group of people — regardless of race — that enjoys emceeing, deejaying, breakdancing "or just loves music," Terrell said.

"When you look at the numbers and the rate of infection continues to rise within the minority population, they're having sex," Terrell said. "We say abstinence is the only way that you're going to be OK. But the fact of the matter is, we can't hide and think that they're going to stop having sex."

To appeal to youth, the condoms are named "Great Dane" and "Rottweiler" and come in shiny wrappers adorned with a cartoon dog wearing a thick gold chain.

But critics say using such "hip" methods to sell contraceptives to teens sends the wrong message.

"I think they're basically doing what all media tries to do, which is sell something, and teenagers are one of the biggest consumers" said Libby Gray, director of Project Reality (search), an abstinence-before-marriage advocacy group.

Gray said in spite of the company's intention to promote safe sex, the marketing campaign doesn't encourage teens to follow the safest lifestyle.

"I think that will make sex look very cool … especially if a rap or hip-hop person … is giving an endorsement for that behavior."

The Centers for Disease Control (search) states on its Web site that "the surest way to avoid transmission of sexually transmitted diseases is to abstain from sexual intercourse." When used properly and consistently, condoms are 95 percent effective for pregnancy prevention but does not protect against all STDs. Consistent condom use gives almost 100 percent protection against HIV.

But more can be done, experts said, such as promoting no sex at all.

"What we need are more positive role models for kids who are promoting healthy behavior — abstinence — as the best possible way of prevention," Gray said.

However, others say it would be irresponsible to turn a blind eye to sexual activity among teenagers. According to a CDC report, in 2001, 46 percent of teens in the United States had had sex.

"For sexually active kids, making safer sex and sexual health look like a positive thing, that's all to the good," said Michael McGee, vice president of education and social marketing for Planned Parenthood (search).

"Whether we like it or not, [nearly] half of America's high school students have had intercourse and in the face of that… I'm glad that the folks from Common Ground are being creative in making the concept of personal responsibility cool."

Regardless of "hip" marketing for contraceptives, recent statistics show that teens who are having sex are doing it more safely.

A July 2000 study released by the Centers for Disease Control, for example, shows that the national pregnancy rate for adolescents aged 15 to 19 decreased from 1995 to 1997 by 7.9 percent. Adolescent pregnancy rates were higher for blacks than for whites. It was also found that the percentage of sexually active teens using condoms and long-acting hormonal contraceptive methods increased.

McGee is hopeful that appealing to youth to have safe sex will also reduce the infection rate of sexually transmitted diseases like AIDS.

"The youth culture that's into hip-hop come in all different colors, but I do think it's a very wise approach in that we know urban kids are disproportionately affected by HIV," McGee said of the Jimmie Hatz marketing. "I think taking a particular audience segment and identifying the messages that appeals to them and that resonates with them is a smart thing to do."

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I have mixed feelings about this.

1sd 01-08-2004 09:38 AM

Re: Sex and Teenagers: Hip Hop Condoms
 
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Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
I have mixed feelings about this.
As do I, as I read the article, I found myself agreeing somewhat with both sides of the argument. Interesting...that's about all I can say on that one!

Wonderful1908 01-08-2004 06:29 PM

As a coach/teacher I deal with teenagers all day. If I had a $1 for every letter, or note I have picked up mentioning having sex I would be rich. We actually had a young lady and a young man having sex in an old bathroom at school this year, this is not the first. The sad thing about that is that she came from a very good family, smart girl but thats another topic. Teenagers are having sex. Teenagers are catching diseases as well, I believe in waiting 100%, but not everybody is going to. So why not promote safe sex, why have teenagers become adult with diseases and babies and little education on how to protect their bodies?

Steeltrap 01-08-2004 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by Wonderful1908
As a coach/teacher I deal with teenagers all day. If I had a $1 for every letter, or note I have picked up mentioning having sex I would be rich. We actually had a young lady and a young man having sex in an old bathroom at school this year, this is not the first. The sad thing about that is that she came from a very good family, smart girl but thats another topic. Teenagers are having sex. Teenagers are catching diseases as well, I believe in waiting 100%, but not everybody is going to. So why not promote safe sex, why have teenagers become adult with diseases and babies and little education on how to protect their bodies?
Excellent point. Not all teenagepeople are going to be abstinent. That Pandora's Box isn't closing any time soon.
Better, IMO, to make sure they have effective birth control and disease protection.

rho4life 01-09-2004 03:08 AM

If this gimick prevents an STD or an unwanted baby, then I'm all for it.

I don't know if this happens in other places, but in the Bay, I've seen drugstores that lock up the condoms. They claim it's b/c in some areas if you don't, then people steal them. While I am NOT advocating theft, and yes, you should be mature enough to buy condoms if you want to have sex....but let's be realistic folx. A stolen condom that gets used properly is better than one that just sits around and gets dusty.

CrimsonTide4 01-18-2004 01:59 PM

I don't have a problem with them promoting condom use to teens because I too am very realistic and aware that teens are having sex. It's just that the whole "hip hop" angle bothers me. There are "innocent" "non hip hop" kids having sex as well.


Question: How would you feel if schools (high and middle) had condom dispensers? How would you feel if your church promoted condom use for teens?

GeekyPenguin 01-18-2004 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
I don't have a problem with them promoting condom use to teens because I too am very realistic and aware that teens are having sex. It's just that the whole "hip hop" angle bothers me. There are "innocent" "non hip hop" kids having sex as well.


Question: How would you feel if schools (high and middle) had condom dispensers? How would you feel if your church promoted condom use for teens?

I would love it if my church had promoted condom use - they told us that sex was bad and birth control was worse. :eek: I'm not sure I like condom dispensers in schools, but we did have them in college - we had the "Cup of Love" in our wing bathroom filled with condoms. People are going to have sex, there is no way to stop them, so at least get them the condoms.

DoggyStyle82 01-19-2004 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
I don't have a problem with them promoting condom use to teens because I too am very realistic and aware that teens are having sex. It's just that the whole "hip hop" angle bothers me. There are "innocent" "non hip hop" kids having sex as well.


Question: How would you feel if schools (high and middle) had condom dispensers? How would you feel if your church promoted condom use for teens?

Your are not serious are you?

CrimsonTide4 01-19-2004 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by DoggyStyle82
Your are not serious are you?
About my questions? Yes. I know I know but just humor me.

ClassyLady 01-19-2004 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
Question: How would you feel if schools (high and middle) had condom dispensers? How would you feel if your church promoted condom use for teens?
I don't think that there should be condom dispensers in schools, but the students should be given a way to get condoms. My high school had a wellness center that provided gynecological exams, birth control counseling and advice, and free contraceptives to all students. I think this is a better idea than just having the condom dispensers because the school was taking a proactive stance. Honestly, there are a lot of teens (and grown folks too) that don't know how to properly use condoms. They should be taught safe sex practices before they are just given the condoms.

I also think that the church should take a proactive stance as well. I don't know if condoms are the right way to go for the church. Churches should begin to counsel the teens about the Lord and try to teach them ways to abstain. But, they should also realize that not all teens will be able to abstain and teach them safe sex practices if they decided to take that step.

DoggyStyle82 01-19-2004 11:14 PM

Safe Sex equals

Actively engaged parenting
Teaching "children" right from wrong
Defining what is acceptable behavior for a minor child
Knowing their friends
Monitoring their associations
Making them understand their role in God's plan
Teaching self control
Teaching self discipline
Abstinence is not weird for a high school student, its not even abstinence, its just age appropriate.

What kind of church would preach anything other than the Word of God. The Devil surely has a foothold in whatever so called church dispense condoms or talks on how to engage in sexual activity for teens (safe or otherwise). Did Jesus give Mary Magdeline a primer on safe sex? Did Paul write Romans and Corithians as a Masters and Johnson tome? No!!! They spoke the truth to our lusts and uncontrolled passions. To do otherwise would be apostasy and heretical.

You liberals and social scientists must wake up!!! These problems are solved from the inside out, not the outside in. Feeding human weakness only increases it.

My children would never attend such a school or so called church.

tld221 01-20-2004 12:45 AM

i for one wouldnt go for it. a condom is a condom, and if u use them, ur not gonna care if its being sold in "hip hop fashion" the fact is, the couple is responsible enough to know to use them. if a couple is not using them, then hip hop condoms arent going to push the idea that much. do these special condoms come with a device that make them feel nonexistant? nope. ppl that arent using them becuase they dont like how they feel, so marketing of condoms with a hip hop edge is not gonna do all that much.

whats next? ortho tri-cyclen in designer cases, or endorsed by beyonce? how about name brrand BC patches? complete with all the new hip slang?

plz.

and my jhs had condoms available to the students... they didnt throw them into our hands, just made them known it was available. jus go by the office, and take one from the bowl. now this is weird for a group of 12-14 y/o's. except for the overly confident kids who were like "yeah i need a whole truckful" when they hadnt even had their first kiss. those were the days.

and in nyc, (from what ive seen) condoms are on shelves, not behind the counter.

lovelyivy84 01-20-2004 10:34 AM

This is perhaps the most non-hip, non-cool marketing gimmick I have ever heard of. Condoms for hip hop "kulture"? Misspelling words on purpose is soooo '93. Jimmie hatz? That was current slang circa House Party 2, so that's what? '91?

If any teens talk about these condoms, they'll probably be laughing at them. Kind of like those "Truth" ads for cigarettes. I don't smoke but that ad campaign is so annoying it almost makes me want to light up. Teens are wayt oo marketing savvy for this kind of stuff now.

As to the issue of promoting condom use to teens, I think it is an unfortunate necessity in these times. Doggystyle it would be nice if every kid had parents who are as involved as you, but the fact is that the baby boomer generation left their kids in the dust when they went off to "find themselves". Kids have been pretty much raising themselves with the help of the media for a while now. MOST kids don't seem to have the kind of parental influence you are talking about, CERTAINLY not the kids who need that guidance most and are most at risk for diseases like AIDS.

Without a PARENT there these kinds of marketing strategies for things like safe sex are IMPERATIVE to not spreading this disease in our community.

tld221 01-20-2004 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by lovelyivy84
This is perhaps the most non-hip, non-cool marketing gimmick I have ever heard of. Condoms for hip hop "kulture"? Misspelling words on purpose is soooo '93. Jimmie hatz? That was current slang circa House Party 2, so that's what? '91?

If any teens talk about these condoms, they'll probably be laughing at them. Kind of like those "Truth" ads for cigarettes. I don't smoke but that ad campaign is so annoying it almost makes me want to light up. Teens are wayt oo marketing savvy for this kind of stuff now.


LMAO! that is way back. i havent heard "jimmie hat" in ages, and it since had shifted to referring to the actual jimmy hat--the one that goes on ur head, the one that sits on ur neck...

as far as the truth hats, i think its the best anti smoking ad campaign ive seen. it may not be effective to teens as much as it would like, but they take it to the streets, and it sure beats the "antidrug" campaign, with the black mother who has her son on ld cause she causght him smoking...

plz. gimme a break.

DoggyStyle82 01-20-2004 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by lovelyivy84

As to the issue of promoting condom use to teens, I think it is an unfortunate necessity in these times. Doggystyle it would be nice if every kid had parents who are as involved as you, but the fact is that the baby boomer generation left their kids in the dust when they went off to "find themselves". Kids have been pretty much raising themselves with the help of the media for a while now. MOST kids don't seem to have the kind of parental influence you are talking about, CERTAINLY not the kids who need that guidance most and are most at risk for diseases like AIDS.

Without a PARENT there these kinds of marketing strategies for things like safe sex are IMPERATIVE to not spreading this disease in our community.


Whether parents are involved or not, is it the schools responsibilty to condone and promote sexual behavior among children. Kids smoke weed so should schools dispense top paper?
We are only creating a larger, more ingrained moral vacuum for society that is getting more irreversible everyday. It amazes me that we can push for condoms in school but as soon as someone invokes the name of God or any kind of morality on public property, people lose their minds, but yet we promote sexual behavior in minor children in the guise of "safe sex".

You cannot placate or coddle self-destructive behavior. It must be dealt with and stopped. Or does that take too much real involvement.

delph998 01-21-2004 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by DoggyStyle82
Whether parents are involved or not, is it the schools responsibilty to condone and promote sexual behavior among children. Kids smoke weed so should schools dispense top paper?
We are only creating a larger, more ingrained moral vacuum for society that is getting more irreversible everyday. It amazes me that we can push for condoms in school but as soon as someone invokes the name of God or any kind of morality on public property, people lose their minds, but yet we promote sexual behavior in minor children in the guise of "safe sex".

You cannot placate or coddle self-destructive behavior. It must be dealt with and stopped. Or does that take too much real involvement.

Very, very, very well said, Frat!

lovelyivy84 01-21-2004 12:30 PM

I work in a school. We see and deal with these issues on the daily, so I think I know exactly what real involvement constitutes thanks.

Real involvement does NOT mean simply saying "don't do it" and expecting kids to comply. Real involvement starts in the home, with loving and involved parents teaching their children the ways they should go.

Since that all too often doesn't happen, in schools, it mainly starts with teaching children the basic things they don't learn at home because they're in a one parent household (like the majority of black children- 63%) and no one has the time to teach them. Schools are being put in the position to raise the next generation of children, since their parents have completely bowed out of the process.

When it comes to sex it means that schools teach teens what they need to know as adults- which is not that sex is bad never do it, but that sex is a part of life (something that any of them with a TV that receives BET's programming already fully know) and that if you make adult decisions too early you deal with adult consequences, like pregnancy and AIDS. And that if you can't or won't abstain, then condoms are the only way to protect yourself and the people that you love.

I don't think that the message should be "be safe" first and foremost. The message should be "abstinence is the only assurance, BUT if you will not abstain then BE SAFE".

Quote:

Originally posted by DoggyStyle82
Whether parents are involved or not, is it the schools responsibilty to condone and promote sexual behavior among children. Kids smoke weed so should schools dispense top paper?
We are only creating a larger, more ingrained moral vacuum for society that is getting more irreversible everyday. It amazes me that we can push for condoms in school but as soon as someone invokes the name of God or any kind of morality on public property, people lose their minds, but yet we promote sexual behavior in minor children in the guise of "safe sex".

You cannot placate or coddle self-destructive behavior. It must be dealt with and stopped. Or does that take too much real involvement.


tld221 01-21-2004 10:34 PM

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(something that any of them with a TV that receives BET's programming already fully know)
perhaps BET should put "teen summit" back on the air, and as often as they air "comic view".

and we keep saying that prevention starts at home from the parents. and thats all good. but truth is, its not happening. not to give up on the efforts, but its time for a plan B. you cant give the same remedy if not everyone will implement it.

actually, we need a plan C--first were told, dont do it til ur married for x, y, z reasons. then, if youre going to do it, BE SAFE about it. but now what? do u try reverse psychology and say, go ahead and get down with everything out there? so this way teen sex will lose its appeal?

your call.

CrimsonTide4 01-25-2004 01:20 PM

Poll from another site
 
What type of sex education should be taught in schools?
Abstinence
Contraception
Both
Neither, taught at home

1browngirl 01-25-2004 02:00 PM

Re: Poll from another site
 
Quote:

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
What type of sex education should be taught in schools?
Abstinence
Contraception
Both
Neither, taught at home

BOTH

As someone else stated, it would be great if sex education began at home, sometimes it does, often times it doesn't. Kids are going to pick information up somewhere (friends, TV) and instead of letting them get the wrong information why not teach them the correct information. So why not teach abstinence as the best policy, but if you're going to have sex be safe & protected.

tld221 01-25-2004 06:06 PM

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So why not teach abstinence as the best policy, but if you're going to have sex be safe & protected.
because thats been done already, and its not working. like u said, kids are going to pick up outside info from "The media" and their friends. you can promote abstinence first, but if something more interesting comes along (sadly in the form of "come on, lets do it because... fill in whatever reason u like) we know what will be chosen.

of course there are kids who abstain. and like the kids who arent abstaining, it is their choice, their decision. we cant make the decision for them, even if you do provide the roof over their head, and the clothes on their back...


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