U of T has a co-ed professional local?
 

http://groups.sa.utoronto.ca/rcg/det...reference=1556

Looks like it's the only individual frat recognized by U of T (The 7 U of T NPCs are listed on the above website as "Sororities at U of T")

most professional groups are co-ed :confused:

My point was that Alpha Lambda Theta is the only INDIVIDUAL FRAT recognized by the school and I'm surprised by this.

Oh, okay :) I was reading the emphasis on the wrong part of the post!

No prob! :)

I'm assuming, but U of T probably recognizes this org and not the others is because it's co-ed.

I know my university (guelph) doesn't recognize us because we discriminate based on gender (or the reason they gave us).
However, Guelph does recognize the Vet fraternity (Omega Tau Sigma) and it is co-ed.

Thats interesting...... how come they are recognized but the other professional faculty ones aren't..... hmmm, this could make some of the GC meetings interesting again (maybe i'll attend some).

I don't think it's the gender thing since they seem to recognize the sororities (see "Sororities at U of T" listing on the link posted). As for Guelph, the gender thing is the silliest excuse ever made because Guelph, like other universities, has athletics, and varsity athletics is single gendered only!

GC meetings?

General Council?

I believe GC stands for Greek Chat. Or could be Grand Commitee...or Great Cheetah. Possibly Genuinely Cool...

I'm not familiar with this particular U of T issue/thought, but I'm sure there's someone from U of T panhellenic here that may be able to tell us. A few, actually :)

edited b/c I can't spell

I know that GC here stands for Greek Chat (the website), but I was a little confused....do we do regular chats here?

Sorry - my brand of humour is not good over posting. I was just kidding about the Greek Chat thing. My winking face disappeared when I edited for spelling. (oops. You know you haven't posted in a while when... ;))

I believe RA Cooper was actually meaning Greek Council at U. of T. but I could be wrong. Maybe he could chime in here?

eta: I should really stay away from the computer when I'm tired like tonight - I just end up making less sense than normal. LOL.

fave frats
 

sigma chi is currently my fave...they are the true gentlemen

sae is close because they are nice to look at and throw a good party

lamda chis are way up there because they make awsome friends and are just genuinely nice

im only a freshman with spring rush coming up so i still have alotta frats to get to know...these are just my initial impressions

Re: fave frats
 

Kappa Kappa Gamma at USC never participates in spring rush. I am confused at your post.

kappa doesnt do spring rush, but the frats do...i plan on attending frat rush parties with my guy friends...sorry for the confusion

yo im sorry i dont know why my posts are all whack...these were supposed to be on another board...im so confused.

Its the drugs . .. its the drugs ;)

back on topic
 

I was always under the impression that U of T didn't recognize the sororities because their policy states that to be recognized, you cannot discriminate by gender. In reading the policy, it says you can't discriminate by gender, race, national origin, religion, etc, etc. Yet, among the orgs that are recognized are orgs for people from Sri Lanka, China, Thailand, Iran. There are groups that say they are Jewish, Advocates for Islam, etc. I believe they are using their policy when they choose to, to keep sororities and fraternities from being recognized.

On a humorous note, I want to join the Munchies at Midnight group!

Dee

I agree that these university policies can be ridiculous. But I wonder if it is really a matter of selective enforcement or whether the groups like you mention, say the Si Lankan group, would prohibit someone who is not of Sri Lankan background from joining. If they wouldn't, then there would be no discrimination on the basis of national origin, even if they didn't actually have any non-Sri Lankan members.

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Does Shala still post at Greek Chat? Maybe she can help clear things up a bit.

ETA:As for our recognition, NPCs are a "recognized campus group", but not recognized by the Student Administrative Council

http://www.sa.utoronto.ca/groups.php?waid=2&glid=29

Srange thing is that they're only listed when one clicks on the "entire list" button and not when one clicks on the "S" button.

But, according to the "Info".. this what the Sororities of U of T is:

"Sororities at U of T" promotes the existence of Women's Fraternities in the University of Toronto area. Our aim is to encourage an interest in Women's Fraternities and to show all that they can offer.



Recognition Approval: September 09, 2003
Recognition Expiry: September 30, 2004


That is not the same as the individual sororities or Panhellenic Council. It sounds like a creative way around not being able to advertise for Recruitment, etc though! They can just advertise through this org.

Dee

Oh I know. It's a load os BS, but that's the excuse they have given us. I have no idea what the real motives behind it is.

Yeah, but at least it's something. The guys don't have anything at all.

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We have the same kinds of organizations at Guelph. However, they cannot discriminate against you. You might not be jewish, but you have every right to join the jewish organization if you are interested.
Although, rumor has it that certain orgs do discriminate. After reading a letter to the editor in my school newspaper, one girl was outraged because the group that she wished to join wouldn't let her because of her ethnic background.

Wilfred Laurier University has a similar org. All sororities and fraternities are listed under the Greek Council or something to that effect (can't remeber the name) and that's how they promote themselves, through a general club. So meetings are booked udner one name, and the hold info sessions under one name, etc.

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Question: Is there a LINK (Guides for university aged women) unit at Guelph? Queen's has the same policy of not allowing organizations that discriminate, but yet we had a LINK and were allowed to be in the yearbook. Strange.

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I'm not sure what that is. I don't think we have one then.
I thought Queen's didn't have an GLO's?

Governing Council..... basically the overall political body responsible for the running of the University. There are a couple of student reps, but they are mostly the career student/activist types. Because I'm a past college president I can attend the meetings as an observer (not even ex-officio). Every now and then I do if I know they will be discussing any important issues..... such as the issue of the SAC executive accepting an all expenses paid trip to Isreal (from Hillel), to gain an "understanding" of the current Israel/Palestine issues.

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Queen's doesn't have GLOs, but does have a Link unit (affiliated with Girl Guides). It's basically for young women, usually 18-25 or so, who want to be involved in Guiding, but not be working with a unit as a leader. Basically for girls who don't have time to be a Guider.

Well that's the offical reason from U of T...... it all stems from a "incident" back in 59' or 60'. Back then a black student pledged a sorority (I won't mention which one), but when it came time for her initation the sorority's HQ refused to grant permission and threaten to pull their charter if they went through with it. So the sorority "de-pledged" the girl....... but this particular girl happened to be in SAC (the student council) as an executive. SAC and the Law Society filled a grievance based on this case of discrimination. The resulting investigation opened a whole can of worms over the next couple of years.... with allegations of racial, religious, or class dicrimination being common. As a result of this and the understandable backlash from the student body the Governing Council of U of T (including many greek alumni) took the stance that they would not support any group that would discriminate based on sex, race, ethnicity, or religion (also they wanted the land to build Robart's Library).

So in theory all of the currently recognized groups cannot discriminate based on sex, sexual orientation, religion, class, ethnicity, or age. For example:

"Sororities at U of T" promotes the existence of Women's Fraternities in the University of Toronto area. Our aim is to encourage an interest in Women's Fraternities and to show all that they can offer.

I can join "Sororities at U of T" even though I am male. That was one of the conditions when Jen filed for recognition a couple of years ago.

Here are some "official" statements from UofT:

"Fraternities and Sororities
Although a number of students become involved in the fraternities and sororities located in the vicinity of the campus, you should note that these organizations are not, in any way, associated with U of T and are not recognized by the University. You should also be aware that problems and difficulties arising out of fraternity and sorority activities can not be resolved through University services and resources."

-and-

"Discrimination
There are several policy documents that confirm the University’s commitment to acting against discrimination. The Statement on Human Rights clearly states that the University “acts within its purview to prevent or remedy discrimination or harassment on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, age, disability, ancestry, place of origin, colour, ethnic origin, citizenship, creed, marital status, family status, receipt of public assistance or record of offence.”

Though you are, for the most part, free to express your opinions, no matter how controversial, there is a point at which the right to free speech is limited. You are not entitled to target individuals with vexatious comments based on human rights grounds. To do so, when your conduct is known to be unwelcome, is defined as “discriminatory harassment” and is an offence under the University’s Code of Student Conduct."

You can't be an actual member of a sorority, but you can be a member of "Sororities at U of T". If that's the case, then why don't the guys band together and form "Frats at U of T" or perhaps merge with the girls? Is it because of the frats' reputation?

Actually it's the fact that all of the guy's houses can't agree on any governing body.... which is why the IFC was disolved by the withdrawal of some houses.

Okay yes and the rep problems.... you've seen some of the articles in the campus newspapers I assume.

I guess that's too bad. Maybe you guys can TRY to get along?

Thank you for the historical perspective, Rob. I work with our chapter at U of T and have always wondered what led to this.

Dee

Oh.... most of the houses get along fine, as long as it doesn't involve politics or as one guy said "messing with internal fraternity stuff". So basically all of the guys houses get along socially, with a few exceptions of course, but I can't see the houses agreeing politically on anything right now...... It's a slow, painful process to introduce change even if it is for the good of all.... a good example is Greek Week and pub night - the old IFC tried to do away with pub night, and houses walked away from the IFC over the issue.... now panhel is trying to use it's influence to reduce the risk management nightmare that is pub night. It's starting to have an effect, but it'll take a couple more years.

Hey, at least you're doing something!! Best of luck! :)

Believe me that was the very abridged version.... being a history major I believe that it's important to know why things are done they way they are or why they are done at all..... knowing the history behind it can give you perspective on current issues.

No, Guelph doesn't have LINK.

I was talking to a few of my sisters and I asked why we didn't propose something like they have at Laurier, their Greek Life club, and apparently that was proposed and the idea was shot down.

So having all orgs fly under one banner could work, as long as the university approves of the idea.

Maybe it is because Some Colleges do not overtly recognize Greek Social Organizations but live with them for Insurance purposes?

Most Greek Organizations will not go to a Campus unless there is a taciturn agreement to the fact!

There is also the fact that none of the Honorary or Professional Organizations have Houses.

There have Been Some Colleges such as Alfred in NY who have de-recognized All Greek Organizations for what a Local did.

There are many who do not recognize Greek Social Organizations but Tolerat them because of the Alum Base that have been Built over The Years and who contribuate to the College Endowment Fund! i think this is true in the Ivy Leauge Schools.

I do not understand, why there is a comparison of Social, Proffesional, and Honoray Greeks about this!:confused:

Apples and Oranges! Period! Da!:rolleyes: