Greek Cousins
 

Hi I am a member of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity Inc. I have a questions is Sigma Lambda Beta and Phi Beta Sigma are really cousin organizations. Please reply back

Yup, 'MAB. They are our cousins. Their founder is a Phi Beta Sigma. AND he even started a sorority modeled after our Zetas.
And from what I understand Sigma Lambda Beta is one of the largest (and most hated on) frat out of all the Latino GLO's. They are holding up the high ideals of brotherhood, scholarship and service like only our brown-skinned brothers can.


Keep up the good work , SLB!

Re: Greek Cousins
 

I don't think this "relationship" is recognized all over. It really depends on where you go.

And Baltazar (sp?) did not found Sigma Lambda Gamma. Their relationship with Sigma Lambda Beta is not exactly similiar to that of Zeta and Sigma.

Well, I stand corrected, Soror. :D Personally, I haven't met either a SLB or SLG. I only know from what I read on the web. But I do think it's cool to have a link to orgs based in a different race. From what I know, we are the only ones in the D9 who can say that.


Dove Love!

I am sorry, but no where in my travels in Zeta have a ever learned that we have cousins, only brothers. Since it is not nationally recognized, then it is not recognized at all. Anyway, what constitutes cousins? Who determined that Blue and White had cousins anyway? I think to suggest that there is some family relationship that is only "recognized" in certain places is a mockery of the true relationship that is present between Zeta and Sigma. Does the National President of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc. know about his distant cousins? I know my Grand Basileus knows nothing about this. If Sigma Lambda Beta and Sigma Lambda Gamma are claiming to be a part of my family, I cannot recognize that.

Honestly, I think you are being really upity about this whole thing. What I was taught was that Baltazar was a Sigma and because of that we are called COUSINS, now we are not brothers of PBS and WE DON'T ASPIRE TO BE. I don't want to impose on The Blue and White family. I am not begging to be a apart of it, other wise I would have pledged PBS. Now, what I do feel is that there is something special between PBS and us because of Baltazar but I don't care if it is nationally recognized...what really would that do for us? Nothing. I am not pushing you to recognize me as you family, why should you? But please, do me a favor and don't discourage those who share my feeling of a special connection to PBS, wheter they be SLB, SLG, Zeta or Sigma, because from that connection, GREAT THINGS CAN BE ACHEIVE BY ALL PARTIES!

if you're not at least aware of the FIRM and the strong bonds that many of us have, then all that shows is the way that you were educated. simply put.

of course things change from chapter to chapter, state to state. but if you cannot see that since a Sigma was connected to the Betas... and since the Betas are close to the Gammas... and the Sigmas are obviously related to the Zetas... there's something there. if you cannot recognize that, maybe you need to open your eyes. remember, SLG and SLB are not wanna-bes of anyone cause then we would have pledged differently than we obviously have...

knowledge of this, or lack thereof, only shows how you were educated.

Candelita
#3 G.S.N.U.E.V.E.M.U.S.A.S.

what i notice some people say that Balta was a Sigma. This is wrong. He IS a Sigma and will be always be Sigma. But he is also a Lambda Beta too. On his jacket he wears both sets of letters on each side.

FIRM FAMILY
 

History Lesson for all the haters..
 

Aight, aight.. So we got some ppl in the blue and white family making a big fuss of things.. Well let me break it down for some of ya'll..

I'll call it Royal Family 101.. 3 credit course, Professor "#86".

1- Baltazar Mendoza Madrigal IS a Sigma AND a LAMBDA BETA
2- No, we're not officially recognized as cousins. But then again, SLB and SLG arent really brothers and sisters.
3- We arent trying to be a copy of blue and white, we're doing our own thing. Now before you take this the wrong way, i got mad respect for all of you, but thats just how it is.

With that said, i will explain.

1: Founding Father Baltazar crossed Sigma and saw the great service PBS was doing for the advancement of the African American community; as time progressed he saw a need of an organization that could do the same for the Latino community. He then went to the national board of PBS and asked for permission to found his own organization with similar goals and aspirations geared towards the Latino community. They GRANTED him that opportunity. Therefore, he DIDN'T have to drop his PBS letters. Along with that, if he crossed PBS then he obviously knows the PBS process... Makes sense right?.. So, SLB and PBS process is bound to have MANY similarities.. HENCE, we are cousins not only by ideals, and goals; but by hardships and triumphs as well. And yes, i mean ALL hardships.. errrrrrripp!

2- SLB and SLG are not officially related but do share many similarities. SLG was founded from a group of women that were originally known as the "Lambda Ladies". At the risk of considering SLB a co-ed fraternity, SLB brothers quickly helped the "Lambda Ladies" establish their own organization. Yes, SLG ladies.. This is TRUE!! So dont tell me I'm wrong b/c I've spoken to the men face to face that helped found SLG. Hence, SLG (some chapters) have SOME similarities to that of SLB, which in turn are similarities with PBS... and I'm sure meaning similarities with ZFB.

3- And finally... WE AINT TRYIN TO BE YOU!! I'm sorry to sound rude, but the haters need to understand. If we wanted to be u we would have pledged PBS or Zeta. Now, I'm cool with all Sigmas and Zetas I know. We support each others events and have a good relationship. So why the royal family? C'mon now, blue and purple?? Both royal colors, makes sense right?? Sure does. Feel free to copy and paste this quick and short history lesson, to inform all of those that were not "educated" properly.

All in all.. Can't we all just get along!! damn!

Peace, i'm out!

History changes ppl
 

I loved the history lesson very good, If you're wondering how Sigma Lambda Gamma comes in the picture is through Mary Peterson she helped found Sigma Lambda Beta with Baltazar, and with our 5 founders Sigma Lambda Gamma was created four years after. Now bcuz SLB helped found SLG they're brothers and sisters not constitutionally bounded but still family, ( and its kinda ovbious since they both start with SIGMA LAMBDA right? ) Anyways, Baltazar he didn't know what to call SLB but bcuz there's an obvious connection and special bond clearly through him, he called them his cousins...and then in 1990 when SLG was founded with the SLB's help and MARY PETERSON they also became part of The Royal Family.
I'm From FSU and here our FIRM is extremely close =] I understand that there are many ppl who don't know about this history, specially old school, BUT it is true whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Honestly it hurts me to see all this back and forth thing goin on, just because you haven't updated on your history it doesn’t' make it any less true. If you want to see what The Royal Family is all about go to youtube.com and search for FSU probate and see the "probate FSU sigma lambda gamma 1 of 4. You will definitely get a wake up call.


LOVE to ALL <3


P.S no offence to anybody, I just really want to make a change in getting out there our family history bcuz it's very important and bcuz it is very sad when you go to another school and you see rivalry between this organizations =/.

RE: History Lesson for all the haters..
 

considering our process is so similar why do ppl question the fact we're related? plus i heard on the east coast theres cross pledging and theres sigmas going to beta pm's so isn't that even more proof and reason to respect the the FIRM?

If the process is discreet, how would anyone know if they're similar?

They are discreet but by people participating in both processes the similarities become clear.

but how... would one... participate in... both...

:confused:

LOL all those interested should pledge and find out

What if one is already a Sigma or Zeta and doesn't know because they didn't cross pledge with "the firm?"

Old post by a random but there was no reason for Delta (and any org besides the ones involved) to even be mentioned in this thread.

Trying too hard.

ultimately it comes down to, to each his own, i have a lot of love for my letters and I'm proud to be a part of the firm

Co-sign. I'm surprised at her (old) comment too. As large as SLG is, she should have let her "argument" stand on its own merits rather than try to undercut other organizations.

But yea, this FIRM business gets out of hand sometimes. There are some people on my campus who act like they pledged FIRM rather than their respective organizations :rolleyes:

^Why is there an ODPhi talking on here then...

FIRM down here in Arizona is recognized but loosely based. Us Betas and the local Sigmas grip together, the Zetas and Gammas cross pledge, and were always supporting eachothers events.

Nationally tho, SLB and SLG arent everywhere, and so FIRM isnt always known or recognized, as relations may be sour or orgs nonexistant. SLB is only is 26 states right now, which is nowhere near the Sigmas or Zetas reach, and SLG is somewhere around 27.

Why shouldn't he talk on here?

For the same reason Sigmas, Zetas, Betas, Gammas, and an Alpha are posting -- it's a PUBLIC DISCUSSION BOARD.

You're picking some interesting threads to bump :rolleyes:

...sums up my thoughts on this whole topic...can't believe I haven't seen this thread before. :p

I am a sister of Sigma Lambda Gamma, i can attest to the idea, and fact that sigma lambda gamma, sigma lambda beta, and phi beta sigma have very similar elements, when it comes to their processes. I can attest to this through my own process, in which i have LB's, and LC's (LC meaning line cousin, since we were pledged together, i.e cross set.) As a result, some details of our processes are shared, since they are part of all three orgs process. I have also, since becoming a sister in Fall 06, witnessed, and pledged, some now sisters of zeta phi beta.

With much respect, it is understandable that this "royal family" relationship is not known by everyone, since every campus that has slg, does not have pbs, zpb, and slb. etc. However, i do ask that people keep open minds.

I kept an open mind when the sigmas at my school were the ones that approached our organization as cousins, since the chapter of phi beta sigma and zeta phi beta did not return to our campus until 2003, 5 years after our chapter of sigma lambda gamma was established...

If one of my sorority sisters decided to start a new sorority, I would feel absolutely no need to affiliate with that group in any way, shape, or form...let alone share my process with them. I would view that group as a completely separate entity that happened to be founded by one of my sisters--period. Further, if said sister was using any of our practices/procedures to establish the new group, I can guarantee she would be shut down pretty darn quick.

lol

I am new to Zeta, but not to her history. I have never heard about SLB/SLG. I feel that if your founder received permission from Nationals, then SLB/SLG would be widely known throughout Zeta and Sigma. There is no need to be ugly towards my Sorors and Brothers cause WE know nothing of your existence. SLB/SLG is not apart of our history. So instead of being disrespectful, you should pay homage to those who came before you, and basically the beginning of "your existence". So if my brother is your father, then you would be our cousins. So lay off the sarcasm because if there are Soror/Frat supporting you, trust me...it's not because they want to be you because I'm sure IF they did...they would have cross-pledged.

Uhh...wouldn't that make them your nieces and nephews? Just sayin'.

Some people recognize FIRM, others don't. As mentioned before, it depends on how you were educated. I am a sister of SLG (a founder at my school) and I was not taught to recognize Sigmas or Zetas as "cuzzos" but when I first wore my letters on campus, my line sisters and I were approached&welcomed by the blue and white family. I don't think people should push the "connection" onto others, if you like the idea of FIRM than that's great. If you don't, that's also great. To each their own! :D

Oh, and this is in response to an old post that said we were up to 26 schools. We are now up to 126 chapters now! :D And that's not including our colonies!