Men interested in AKA
 

Sorors,
Have you ever heard of a little brother organization called MIAKA (Men Interested in AKA)? I recently came in contact with a young man that was associated with this group. He told me it was a "sweetheart"group.
And like Kappa Kourts and Alpha Angels they had lines and learned our history (no secrets). He even showed me a green and white line jacket.

Then a few days ago I got an email about gay men that formed some type of AKA underground group that stated that they actually pledged AKA... needless to say I went to the web site but it was not working

So I guess what I am asking is had any of you ever heard of these things


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IVY in my HAND-- AKA in my HEART

Yes, Soror, I have heard of MIAKA's and AKAgents. I have never seen one in person, but one of the AKA chapter's website had a link for their MIAKA's. A little different to say the least.

Now, as far as that frat for gay black men, I have been to the site, and it is interesting, indeed. Their purpose, their founding date, it is interesting, INDEED!!

My freshman year, you name it we had it- K-Sweets, Alpha Angels, Q-E's, Sigma-Doves. However the only male interst group was the MIDS-Men Interested in Delta and they were the last. As time passed, the auxiliaries died down. I guess it depends on the school.

Soror Ideal,
I emailed you--check it out!!!!

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IVY in my HAND-- AKA in my HEART

Soror, we had MIAKAS and Delta Gents on our yard.

ROTFLMAO...please tell me that this kinda stuff doesn't exist? I've heard it all. At what school is this? They need to be publicly clowned. I never heard of MIAKA's. I've been trying to find a website for this crap so I can see it for myself.

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KAPPA ALPHA PSI FRATERNITY, INC.
SPR 97
XI LAMBDA

The school I attended way back in the day also had MID'S and MIAKA'S. One year they even had a step show between the 2. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

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Peace
KL

LOL!! You know you need to quit, LOL!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Speaking of publicly clowning, where is BobbyEarl??

NUPE4LIFE,

I'm with you! What is the web site address.

LOL

Professor & NUPE4LIFE the website for the gay men's fraternity is
www.delta-phi-upsilon.org

They claimed to have began as an underground group of men that pledged AKA. They use our founding month and day , and have a very very similar motto...



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IVY in my HAND-- AKA in my HEART

This group started here in Tallahassee. There are also two lesbian groups in Tallahassee, one called a sorority (femme) and the other called a fraternity (butch). Their sites used to be linked to the DPhiU site. All three groups are specifically for the GLB African-American community.

Barbara

Okay, I went to that page and didn't I see Ivy leafs at the bottom of the page? They need their a$$ beat for that.

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KAPPA ALPHA PSI FRATERNITY, INC.
SPR 97
XI LAMBDA

I have heard of male sweetheart organizations to the sororities....Zeta Nights, Miakas, & Sigma Rhomeos....I don't remember the sweethearts for the Deltas....I have also heard of men trying to pledge a sorority underground and women trying to pledge a fraternity......I knew a guy that had AKA tattooed on his ankle, he knew steps, did the call and claimed to be an AKA......There were also rumors about females being on an underground Omega line....I'm not surprised that this is happening at all..............

MsDetroit1920

Soror Ideal08, I'll join you.

Apparently they couldn't decide whether they wanted to be AKAs or Deltas!



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MCCOYRED
Mu Psi '86
BaltCo Alumnae

Dynamic...Salient...Temperate...Since 1913

What in the world is going on? I went to that site and I saw that mess too. Founding month and day ... Ivy leaves ... they have gone a bit too far. It has been said that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but this is too much.

I don't condone violence, but this is one time I'll make an exception!

*lol*

LMDSTAO



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MaMaBuddha

Devastating
Stimulating
Tantalizing
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Imaginer un métro rempli avec les anges tombés...

Sorors

I am outraged by this I can't believe the nerve of these punks. And to have a sting of Ivies at the bottom of their page. What is going on something needs to be done.

so i HAD to go to this website and see what this was all about. now, i have heard of sigma rhomeos, and delta beauxs. i think, once upon a time i have even heard of miaka, but THIS is ridamndiculous!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif

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I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it.

Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean ? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind

I am not feeling the use of many of our sorority symbols, dates and etc. There are a million things one can choose to be affiliated with their group.

However I think if they feel the need to form a group more power to them! I am really opened minded when it comes to people expressing themselves in the way THEY see fit. Just because we are members of mainstream BGLO's (or striving to be) doesn't give us the right to pass judgement on this fraternity. I imagine in 1906 and 1908 many a mainstream sorority and fraternity frowned upon the founding of Alpha Kappa Alpha and Alpha Phi Alpha. Sometimes I think we should strive to be more understanding..... IMHO.

[This message has been edited by Wonderful1908 (edited March 29, 2001).]

Sorors,
I went to the website and it was up today--
What is that MESS???

Weird! I'm not here to clown anyone or pass judgment! To each his own but c'mon the use of Ivy leaves, pearls to the links on the page, same founding date? True no one owns exclusive rights to these symbols but out of respect they could have atleast chosen different things, been original! But that's just my opinion. :roll eyes: http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif

Please email the site to me loviest 95...I have heard of MIAKA's, and the Gay Male AKA's...but I couldn't retrieve the site.

Ok, I ain't see that mess when I went. I see I'ma hafta go back. Umph.

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I am VERY surprised that this is happening. I need some TEA!

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What; I am not trying to joke...what the feezy! The same date, pearls, the ivy? Needless to say I am speechless.

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Many are called, many are chosen, but only a few are PHROZEN!

My thoughts exactly!!!!! Respect is a two-way street. No, we don't have exclusive rights to these things but all of them combined together does suggest they were heavily borrowed ideas.

And to the gentleman from this fraternity that posted a thread on our forum and sent me an e-mail:

No, I did not close your thread. However, this morning upon my return I made the decision to delete it.

Yeah - I agree - I'm not making any judgment call but I find this to be very humorous. In fact, I think our attempts to see the site somehow took their server down. I've not been able to read the information on the site. Oh well - - -

It wouldn't matter to me what color the men are, I would still feel the same way. I for one, don't care if your organization is dedicated to "your kind" or not. The problem I have is with the similiarities.

We understand we do not have exclusive use of certain things such as pearls, colors, or the ivy leaf. However, I feel when too many of these symbols are used collectively to define or represent another organization, then I have a problem with that regardless of the organization or the gender of its membership.

So, please don't come into our forum telling us about fact vs. heresay. It's not rituals we are speaking of. It is the presentation.

Let's just keep it real, shall we?

A pearl, or even 20, ok.
An Ivy leaf, ok.
January 15th, ok.
The purpose, ok.
Service to you kind, ok.

But all of the above, come on now. Cut the games.

Soror Ideal08, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!

I'm not sure why you quoted me, DeltaBro1, but if you read the original message I was agreeing with, you will see that I have no quarrel with your organization's existence, purpose or anything like that. In fact, my soror and I were in agreement that you have a right to form any organization, greek-lettered included, that meets your needs.

I think many us are taking your organization to task for the seemingly purposeful duplication of symbols that have been associated with our sorority since its inception (or very near to it). Further, from what I understand, some people may be reacting to an email making the rounds, under your signature, that states that your group was formed out of an underground "sorority" of black gay men who stepped, did the AKA call and used our hand signs and other unofficial symbols, all while calling themselves men of Alpha Kappa Alpha. This message also stated that some of your group's members were the sons, brothers, etc. of our sorors, and were privy to our rituals and such and used them in their own ways. That, for me, is insulting, not flattering--for ANY group of people (men, women) to mimic us and use signs and symbols without being members of the group from which these things originated.

Salutations and Greetings:
I am an Enchanting Lady of Omicron Epsilon Pi Sorority, Inc. for feminine lesbian women. We stand proud of who we are and of the foundation that our founders have built. We were founded in the image of sisterly love and unity. There is, indeed, a need for such organization because many NPHC sororities/fraternities do not openly embrace lesbians into their orgs for various prejudices. Truly, there are some individuals who are members of these other sororities who could care less about another's sexual orientation but for the most part, it is an issue. I must disspell any and all fictional and miscontrued information that suggests that Omicron Epsilon Pi Sorority, Inc. is a fake sorority for we are NOT. Our journey to become a legit org. has been long and hard but, inevitably, we are here....standing tall, untarnished and without blemish!!!!!
However, I do agree that we all must respect each other's sororities/fraternities. I must say that I do not condone those who use others symbols, colors, hand gestures, paraphenalia etc. as their own. Omicron Epsilon Pi Sorority, Inc. has its own EVERYTHING! We do not borrow or steal anything from any other org. Our bruh-ther fraternity is Iota Lambda Pi Fraternity, Inc. for studly women of whom, also, has its own EVERYTHING! Please understand that I BLEED ROYAL BLUE AND PLATINUM. RESPECT THAT IN ME AND I WILL, UNDOUBTEDLY, RESPECT YOU AND YOURS!

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"Everytime I tried to be what others thought of me, so caught up, I was unable to achieve; but deep in my heart, the answer was in me so I made up my mind to define my own destiny"-Lauryn Hill

When did sexual orientation become the topic of this thread? Can we focus on the real issue.

On that note, I will say that while I've heard of MIAKAs and other "little brother" organizations, I never came in direct contact with any such entity on my campus. I must say, though, I don't think little brother/sister organizations who exist on the basis of a greek-lettered organization serve their members well in the long run. I know those who've had no problem venturing beyond these orgs. into the sorority/fraternity of their choice, and I know of cases where they haven't. It seems to me that sometimes these little bro/sis things get taken too far (line, line names, calls, pledging, etc.) and sometimes have negative opinions associated with them (the "frat rat" rep of some female sweetheart orgs., the ???? of some male sweetheart orgs.), which would lead me to conclude that they're just not worth joining if you have hopes of greek life for yourself.

Soror AKAtude, I agree with you on "when did this turn into a sexual orientation" discussion". However, it came about because Delta Phi Upsilon is an African American gay men's fraternity and the close similarities between our organizations' symbols.

Unfortunately, we still live in a Judeo-Christian, and even very Islamic, who have very strict morals, society. A problem develops when another incorporated organization uses symbols similar to that of a highly visible, traditional and historical sorority such as Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Incorporated, people who are unfamiliar with my Sorority, will be confused as to what both of our organizations promote.

My Sorority already has issues with outsiders confusing the purposes of the other 3 fellow sororities. Is Delta Phi Upsilon asking my Sorority to simply accept your decision to be obstenate toward us simply because African Americans need to embrace our gays and lesbians fight for African American's civil rights? Is Delta Phi Upsilon believe that my general membership sorors and my International officers will not fight, yes fight to maintain the perpetuity and continuity of our highly blessed Sorority? Not to scare Delta Phi Upsilon from meeting the needs of their members, the fact is that my Sorority hold our symbols sacred. And no one can simply ask my Sorors, some who are Diamond sorors not to be angered and won't take the DPU to task. It is just a fact. It is unfortunate, but it is still just a fact.

I understand that everybody gotta do they own thang. Whateva's cleva. In fact my cousin is a lesbian and was out when people in her small southern Black community thought we don't have those "caucasian" sexual orientation issues. I mean no offense, but in the Black community, some people do think that sexual orientation is not OUR issue.

I know what my sexual orientation is and am proud of it. I enjoy being with men, making love to a man and eventually develop a maritial relationship with a man. And heterosexuals should not be condemned for their choices either! I understand that the Black gay and lesbian community needs outreach in such a way my Sorority cannot provide nor accept. But, the Black gay and lesbian community needs to understand that in its entirety, Afrikans in amerikkklan have too many problems already and this infighting about symbol usage is bullshit given the current status of our plights.

Moreover, Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Incorporated has trademarked two items. The term, "Fashionetta" and our sacred pin. Delta Phi Upsilon can be taken to court for trademark enfringement. So basically, the organization would want to be justifying, yes, I said it, justifying its use of its symbols because you SKATING on very thin ice. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif

Yes, I said it, you all are a bunch of skaters bitchin' and moaning about how upset my Sorors are!!! Because when my Sorors have pledged their hearts and minds to Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. it's too hard to ice SKATE, like Brian Boitano (sp)...

It doesn't matter what I think, many people on this board are stating your symbols are too similar to Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc's symbols. You have to think of why GC members would say that. No, we do not have juristidiction over symbols or colors, but it is out of mutual respect for each other that NPHC BGLO's are angry. It is not because your gay, but because DPU has earmarked their organization's symbols that define what they are all about without orginality, much less considering what your community would think is symbolic... Because my Sorority, over 90 years ago, chose our symbols based on what we thought reflected the Black community at that time. And I can tell you that all the other NPHC BGLO's did the same.

How is an ivy symbolic with the Black gay/lesbian community?

How is an sheild with a dove, globe, clasped hands, book, torch symbolic of the Black gay/lesbian community?

How is a motto, "Service to OUR Kind", reflective about your community?

I really want to know... It is because you do not respect our heritage that you are angry--not the fact that you think you are meeting the needs of the gay and lesbian community... Because if you were meeting the needs of the gay and lesbian community, you would not be here posting messages about how no one has complete juristidiction over all the symbols of the world. Moreover, you skaters are really not helping so what if Alpha Phi Sorority, Inc. has a similar magazine name as Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. There is a reason for that you know. But you will never be privy to that information because you do not respect our hard work and dedication to Service, without bias, To ALL Mankind...

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Preach, Soror AKA_Monet, preach!!!!! Amen!!!
I think someone made my soror mad.

Naw, soror, I don't hate...

Because if one hated, it means that they ain't getting any and if they are, it ain't good... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif

Because if they were gettin' some and it was good, there would be no reason to hate... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

And the fact that I'm getting some and it is really good http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/tongue.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif

Every day and night, twice on Sunday...



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