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wreckingcrew 12-14-2003 07:22 AM

Saddam Captured!!!!!
 
I posted this on the News & Politics thread, but thought i'd bring it here, just to make sure.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105706,00.html

Kitso
KS 361 times bring on the war crimes tribunal

AlphaSigOU 12-14-2003 07:39 AM

Saddam bagged!
 
WOOHOOO! The Ace of Spades has been bagged! So much for your lame-assed attempt at martyrdom, Saddam. Bring on the tribunal and the hanging party!

moe.ron 12-14-2003 07:50 AM

Re: Saddam bagged!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
WOOHOOO! The Ace of Spades has been bagged! So much for your lame-assed attempt at martyrdom, Saddam. Bring on the tribunal and the hanging party!
Sorry to say, but it was never about matyrdom for Saddam. He's a thug, nothing more. He's idol is Stalin, so he never cared about religion.

Kevin 12-14-2003 09:56 AM

Re: Re: Saddam bagged!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by moe.ron
Sorry to say, but it was never about matyrdom for Saddam. He's a thug, nothing more. He's idol is Stalin, so he never cared about religion.
He certainly used it when it served his purposes. I sincerely hope they give this man permenant justice. If there ever was an argument for capital punishment... he's it.

KillarneyRose 12-14-2003 10:50 AM

Has anyone been watching CNN? The utter joy on the faces of the Iraqi people is astounding. I can't imagine what it has been like for them, living in fear of a dictator for so long and I am thankful that b*****d has been caught and can no longer hurt anyone.

PhiPsiRuss 12-14-2003 11:02 AM

This is a great day for humanity!

docetboy 12-14-2003 11:24 AM

FOUR MORE YEARS!

I LOVE MY PRESIDENT!

dekeguy 12-14-2003 11:39 AM

Way to go Army!!!! We got the SOB. Now we strictly adhear to due process of law and deprive any of his thugs of any excuse to carry on against the liberating forces. For all GC lawyers and law students, this has just got to be one case to follow! For all of us, Te Deum Laudamus!

docetboy 12-14-2003 11:40 AM

Deke, you're right. This case will probably be one of the biggest international law cases since Nuremburg.

PhiPsiRuss 12-14-2003 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by docetboy
Deke, you're right. This case will probably be one of the biggest international law cases since Nuremburg.
Yeah, but will it be bigger than the OJ trial?

docetboy 12-14-2003 11:54 AM

Without a doubt...

sweetie adpi 12-14-2003 12:22 PM

anyone else think it's kinda funny (in an ironic way) that he was found with $750,000 u.s. dollars?

docetboy 12-14-2003 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sweetie adpi
anyone else think it's kinda funny (in an ironic way) that he was found with $750,000 u.s. dollars?
I thought it was $750 . 00???

aggieAXO 12-14-2003 12:37 PM

I am just curious-does anyone think he should NOT get the death penalty?

PhiPsiRuss 12-14-2003 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by docetboy
I thought it was $750 . 00???
US$750,000.00

PhiPsiRuss 12-14-2003 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by aggieAXO
I am just curious-does anyone think he should NOT get the death penalty?
I think that this should be determined by the Iraqi people.

PM_Mama00 12-14-2003 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by aggieAXO
I am just curious-does anyone think he should NOT get the death penalty?
I don't think he should get the death penalty. Of course if you left it up to the Iraqi people, they would choose that.

But I think this bastard deserves the torture chamber. Duno if there's a such thing, but he royally sucks. My vote is for a stoning, everyday at noon, in the town square.

Peaches-n-Cream 12-14-2003 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sweetie adpi
anyone else think it's kinda funny (in an ironic way) that he was found with $750,000 u.s. dollars?
I thought that it was kinda funny, not lol, but funny. :)

They have to decide if he will have an Iraqi trial or a US-Iraqi trial to determine what rights he has regarding legal representation. The news (forget which since I have been channel hopping) said his trial might be like Milosevic's or the Nuremberg trials.

PM_Mama00 12-14-2003 01:01 PM

I'm not familiar with how they deal with international affairs, but will he have a defense lawyer? I can't imagine anyone who would want to fill the job!

ztawinthropgirl 12-14-2003 01:01 PM

I am glad he was captured. I had actually thought he was dead but I guess f***ers like him have 9 lives. My only thing is that this whole thing was like a bunch of dogs chasing cars. Once they caught one, they don't know what to do with it. I hope his trial doesn't turn into a fiasco of what to do and what not to do with him. If one wants to pull the religion card, then, the Bible says an eye for an eye. I wish the officials could torture the b*****d but that'd be against the Geneva Accords.

In response to your question PM_MAMA00, Saddam Hussein will have a defense attorney. The way it MIGHT work is like how it works here in the US when someone can't afford a lawyer. There's just a list of all the lawyers and their card is pulled if all the lawyers in the Public Defender's office are overloaded with cases. I have a feeling that an international lawyer's card will just be pulled and they'll be told they have to defend him or they'll be held in contempt.

James 12-14-2003 02:14 PM

I hope they are treating him with the courtesy due a former sovereign.

PhiPsiRuss 12-14-2003 02:22 PM

The Rat
 
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com...2627088136.jpg

wreckingcrew 12-14-2003 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by James
I hope they are treating him with the courtesy due a former sovereign.
I have the utmost faith that the soldiers of the Army's 4th Infantry Division treated him in the manner that all POW's are supposed to be treated.

Kitso
KS 361

The1calledTKE 12-14-2003 02:43 PM

Today is a good day. Congrats to the US Military. They really needed a morale booster like this.

Love_Spell_6 12-14-2003 02:51 PM

Prediction for democrat platform
 
Since the democrats can't talk about this anymore..this is what I predict the democrats will turn their attention to

1. Other things wrong in Iraq

2. Osama

3. Haliburton

4. VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACIES

Its pretty said that the Democrats have placed themselves in the position where they benefit politically if the US loses the war on terrorism..

Tom Earp 12-14-2003 02:52 PM

Whom ever This Demigod is judged by, He should have a Fair Trial!

That is supposed to be what We as Americans live by!

But, the entertaining question is, is He above the Law along with His Henchmen who slaughtered Thousands of people!:confused:

My basic hope is, that with his capture (PIX showing a Scummy Rat) that this will soon change the course of action to Keep Our American and All of the Coalition Soldiers safe from Harms Way!:)

Now, the question would be, just what punishment is to good for this sorry individual and do not forget his henchmen!:(

Jill1228 12-14-2003 02:53 PM

Fry the Mo-fo!

KillarneyRose 12-14-2003 03:17 PM

Re: The Rat
 
Quote:

Originally posted by russellwarshay
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com...2627088136.jpg
Does anyone know if the part of Hagrid has been cast yet for the next Harry Potter movie?

absolutuscchick 12-14-2003 03:48 PM

whoa....I can't believe it took me this long to hear about it....I was listening to the radio in my car at like 3-4amish and at like 1045-1115ish and there was no mention. Then again at both times I kept falling asleep, so maybe I just wasnt paying attention!!

starang21 12-14-2003 04:01 PM

Re: Prediction for democrat platform
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
Since the democrats can't talk about this anymore..this is what I predict the democrats will turn their attention to

1. Other things wrong in Iraq

2. Osama

3. Haliburton

4. VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACIES

Its pretty said that the Democrats have placed themselves in the position where they benefit politically if the US loses the war on terrorism..

what the hell are you talking about? republicans should turn their attention to #2 as well since he supposedly the mastermind behind 9/11. and who the hell ever said anything about wanting the US to lose the war on terrorism? where on earth are you getting that from?

PhiPsiRuss 12-14-2003 04:04 PM

Re: Re: Prediction for democrat platform
 
Quote:

Originally posted by starang21
he supposedly the mastermind behind 9/11
"Supposedly?"

CanadianTeke 12-14-2003 04:08 PM

Does anybody know where he will be tried? Will it be for Genocide at the International court in The Hauge? ( i am pretty sure charges were laid there against him months ago). I don't think there is anywhere else he can be tried, American Law doesn't apply, and Iraqui law at the time of the crimes didn't really exist, (the will of the soverign was the basic rule of law from my understanding). I think the only way for there to be a fair trial would be at The Hauge.

starang21 12-14-2003 04:09 PM

Re: Re: Re: Prediction for democrat platform
 
Quote:

Originally posted by russellwarshay
"Supposedly?"
we'll if he's absolutely the real criminal, why on earth are we wasting our time celebrating finding a broken man and not looking for him? but i digress, i guess the dems are the only ones using any kind of common sense regarding this.

PhiPsiRuss 12-14-2003 04:18 PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Prediction for democrat platform
 
Quote:

Originally posted by starang21
we'll if he's absolutely the real criminal, why on earth are we wasting our time celebrating finding a broken man and not looking for him? but i digress, i guess the dems are the only ones using any kind of common sense regarding this.
Why? Geopolitics. And don't worry, but there was no sign of common sense in your post, so I guess that every one is even.

PhiPsiRuss 12-14-2003 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CanadianTeke
Does anybody know where he will be tried? Will it be for Genocide at the International court in The Hauge? ( i am pretty sure charges were laid there against him months ago). I don't think there is anywhere else he can be tried, American Law doesn't apply, and Iraqi law at the time of the crimes didn't really exist, (the will of the soverign was the basic rule of law from my understanding). I think the only way for there to be a fair trial would be at The Hauge.
I think that Iraq will be allowed to try him. The reason is simple; Iraq needs to heal, and being incontrol of the judicial process that determines Saddam's fate will have a cathartic effect.

CanadianTeke 12-14-2003 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by russellwarshay
I think that Iraq will be allowed to try him. The reason is simple; Iraq needs to heal, and being incontrol of the judicial process that determines Saddam's fate will have a cathartic effect.
Perhaps, But in order to be tried, you have to commit a crime, and while obviously the atrocities that he committed are exactly that, if the Iraqui law stated at the time that these acts were committed, that the soverign could do as he pleased, a law wasn't necessarily broken. I don't know much if anything about Iraqui Law, hell i don't even know if there is a real legal system. If he is tried in Iraq there could and will be claims from the international community of American manipulation.

RACooper 12-14-2003 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CanadianTeke
Does anybody know where he will be tried? Will it be for Genocide at the International court in The Hauge? ( i am pretty sure charges were laid there against him months ago). I don't think there is anywhere else he can be tried, American Law doesn't apply, and Iraqui law at the time of the crimes didn't really exist, (the will of the soverign was the basic rule of law from my understanding). I think the only way for there to be a fair trial would be at The Hauge.
He was captured by the US forces in Iraq, he will have to be tried in Iraq..... remember Bush refused to recognize the juristiction of the Hague when it comes to war crimes or crimes against humanity.

PhiPsiRuss 12-14-2003 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CanadianTeke
Perhaps, But in order to be tried, you have to commit a crime, and while obviously the atrocities that he committed are exactly that, if the Iraqui law stated at the time that these acts were committed, that the soverign could do as he pleased, a law wasn't necessarily broken. I don't know much if anything about Iraqui Law, hell i don't even know if there is a real legal system. If he is tried in Iraq there could and will be claims from the international community of American manipulation.
I've got a hunch that there was Iraqi law prohibiting what Saddam did, but it was selectively enforced. If an opponent of Saddam conspired to commit genocide, I'm sure that he would have been swiftly, and severely punished.

CanadianTeke 12-14-2003 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by russellwarshay
I've got a hunch that there was Iraqi law prohibiting what Saddam did, but it was selectively enforced. If an opponent of Saddam conspired to commit genocide, I'm sure that he would have been swiftly, and severely punished.
Like i said earlier though, the minimal amout that i have read about the Iraqui legal system basically pointed to the law being "the will of the soverign" ie, whatever Saddam said was law, whatever he wanted was law, and whatever action he took was legal. If this is the case, then it is difficult to try him under Iraqui law, when in essence he was Iraqui law.

enlightenment06 12-14-2003 04:39 PM

can someone clear this up for me, but I thought the official position of the U.S. is against the international criminal court. would it not be then hypocritical to put saddam on trial in that very institution? I think saddam should stand trial, just seems kinda ironic.

Dealth penalty is a big no-no. How does killing someone bring justice? I thought the reason murder is wrong is because it's the taking of life- but that's for another thread.

now, where are those weapons of mass destruction? since saddam is captured, I would think that we should have them within the next day or so, since they were such an "imminent threat"

THIS STILL DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE WAR WAS UNJUST AND LEAD UNDER FALSE PRETENSES.


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