Thanks for Your Support
 

I would like to say Thank You to all of you who supported us as we entered into the brotherhood of Alpha Phi Omega. I would like to send a special thanks to the members of the Mighty Zeta Phi Chapter at Howard University- the place where I was born.

Thank You,
#28 TAILored to Perfection
28-ZP-FA03

??? I thought it was 27 of y'all???

Yes it Was 27
 

When someone drops line you continue to keep your number you do not delete your number at all because that is who you are, why take someone else's identity?

But when you look at my pledge class you will know that I was not left out: The G.E.S.T.A.L.T. ExeQuetive Branch 27- contains 28 letters that's where I am located

:rolleyes:

Alpha Phi Omega never ceases to amaze me. That is one thing I love about our fraternity. Each chapter is so different and we all have different chapter traditions, but we are all bound in Leadership, Friendship, and Service. I have never heard of keeping your number when someone drops, but to each his own. To me it just seems like you are still giving honor to a person who does not exist in our fraternity; therefore, deserves no honor. My pledge class started off with 20 perspective members, but over time some people realized that they were not Alpha Phi Omega Material. That is ok b/c it's not for everyone. I love the brothers of my pledge class...I learned many things from them and hopefully they learned from me. I would not trade those other 14 members for the world and will never forget those lost upon they way and remember that they were just that...lost.

Well that is an interesting theory, but i have been to 2 schools and i have never seen it. What is a BGLO?

Black Greek Lettered Organization.

VW, shut up, we all know Beta Iota is cat.

:D :p

Yeah, but since Alpha Phi Omega can pledge, we don't have to deal with whether or not what we do is an illegal pledging in that way.

Personal feeling, getting rid of the pledge program may not work for the NPHC greeks, but they are desperate... In my opinion there is a 50/50 chance that at least one of the NPHC greeks will go bankrupt in the next 10 years. Used to think it would be one of the frats, but that was before the incident in Los Angeles.



YiLFS
Randy Finder

actually Distant Sand...
 

Howard does that all of the time and have been doing it for quite sometime for not just BGLO but for all GLO's on our campus. Because this is an open forum and it would go into some very in depth stuff, I will not go into to great detail herre:} but at Zeta Phi, just like you have a spec family, you have a number family that helps you get through the process. Many times, numbers have a certain type of attitude or bond that links them together and it is up to the pledge {trefoils for us} to be that ish. Like, if you are going to be a nine in my chapter, you better be tight, because that is the standard, 18 you got to be a pimp, 11 got to have Attitude, deuces-dutty, so on and so forth. Your number family is even more personalized because you will only have one number on any given line so therefore it is up to all of those who have that same number to make sure that they earn the number on their shirt! Now if someone could not earn their number which causes them to drop then that is that number family's loss. So figuratively speaking, you have 6 pledges but #5 drops then there is no number 5. But you can't take someone's elses because they did not earned that number through their process. ex. #6 remains #6 because that is what he/she worked for during their process. I hope that explains some of it. Like I said earlier, I can't go into too much detail over a public forum.

Thank you News @Nine
 

I could not have said it better myself. I'm glad i didn't have to go down to number 26, 25, or 24 everytime someone drops, i enjoy being 27 (especially since we are twenty seven). Not only that but i get to set the standards for 27's from here on out.

Re: actually Distant Sand...
 

Grandspesh,


I don't have an attitude!!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D

No Numba 11, you dont have an attitude...U have to have attitude.

Any wayz...It is true. 18's will always lay the pimp hand way strong if you step outta line and the 9's always back them up, and their lil's will do the same. Thats how Zeta Phi gets down.
Its not the first though. There are 13 from Spring 03B and there is a numba 14. There are 27 in the Fall Class but there is a numba 28. There is always one that doesnt make it.

So how long has zeta phi been doing the number thing? This is just really interesting to me becuz i dont ever recall people keepin their numbers... maybe i just didnt' pay attention to it when i was there.

At Howard?
 

Attractive, when were you at Howard? I've been on section staff since about 1990, the traditions have changed some, especially with the group that tried to keep it going 94-95. But for a chapter at a BGLO to not keep track of numbers, that would be strange...

Randy

Interesting....
 

Are you refering to the '94-'95 at Zeta Phi, if so do you have any info on them, I'd like to know what changes came about and why? Send me a private message if you can, I'd love to chat.

Thanks frat


# 27 A.T.J. (Anticipating The Journey)
G.E.S.T.A.L.T. ExeQUEtive Branch 27
"The Mighty" Zeta Phi
Fall 2003

Re: Interesting....
 

ATJ,

I can put you in touch with Jerry Brown, hit me up.

You should know who that is -- but if not, hit me up anyway.

ZPhi 94-96
 

Contact with Jerry Brown would probably be best here, he is a Alpha Beta (Penn State) Transfer who tried keeping the chapter going after it went down to zero. It was during his time that the chapter first went co-ed. Lori Crozier (Transfer from Stanford) is one of the other people involved at the time. Brother Keene was involved with this effort too, He'd remember as well.

I think they crossed over about 3 lines, Total number of brothers during that time period about 15-20.

YiLFS
Randy

Re: ZPhi 94-96
 

The national office reported two lines, which Jerry confirmed when I researched it. I think the chapter size at that time was no bigger than 15.

I had about the right order of magnitude. The initial group was 3: Jerry, Lori and a male brother from Florida (I think). The first line was 6, I don't remember the size of any later lines.

Randy

And the group that rechartered in 1986 as best as I can tell didn't bring in anyone officially after the charterers. I'm very proud of the chapter that Zeta Phi has become now!

Randy

I see so many people misconstrued what I said so let me clarify myself and respond to a few people at the same time.

I meant in Pan-Hellenic Fraternities and Sororities at HU and at TSU. I knew a lot of people in Pan-Hell at HU and I know a lot here. I only saw it once at TSU. The Alpha's skipped a number because one of their brother's passed; therefore, they honored him by not assigning his number to anyone else. I think we do that too (my chapter) because one of our brother's passed, but we haven't had another line large enough to get to her number.

Well in that since, the same principle would apply to HU because they are also an HBCU.

It's not that I don't understand it, I have never heard of it.

I was asking how long Zeta Phi has been giving numbers to the pledges because if I recall correctly Bill Keene's pledge class didn't have numbers, but I could be wrong.

I was at Howard Fall 2000 to Spring 2002. I was the First President of the Howard University Interest Group.

When I said keeping their numbers I didn't mean keeping track of their numbers, I was going back to the original issue of if someone drops everyone one else keeps their original numbers.

With that being said...this is a message board. It is a place for people to come and express their opinions. If you can not feel free to express yourself here, then where can you express yourself? This was not a battle, it was a discussion. (You know who you are.)

Re: Yes it Was 27
 

This is exactly why some organizations have banned line numbers.

You are NOT a number, you are a person.

There is going to be a point where people are going to realize that, hopefully it will be in my life time.

lol

And I see you wreckin' shop, Attractive!

You know I hold my own any where any time...you know that from Monday!!! *lol* Check your PM's.

Attractive, sorry if any seemed like a challenge, got sort of confused with your Howard and Tenn St time...

I'll take just about any challenge people want to give, I've had brothers from chapters at HBCUs tell me I'm too interested in fraternity history.

:) :) :) :)

YiLFS
Randy Finder
National History & Archives Committee Member.

NO NO NO!!! I didn't think you were trying to challenge me at all...I just wanted to clear up some things from emails and pm's i got from other brothers.

You can NEVER be too interested in fraternity history. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

There are some who would differ with you. Not only was I section 84 historian. http://www.apo84.org/section.html . I'm currently on the National History and Archives Committee. Things I've researched in Fraternity History include the official locations of the National Office during Frank Reed Horton's time in office including the location of the Council HQ that he worked out of in the Pittsburgh area (and what councils it merged with on the way to now being a small part of the Greater Pittsburgh Council. and the exact Physical location of the PO Box that he rand the national Office out of when he lived in Wincester Virginia (The Post office no longer uses the building, its now a bank)

I've looked at what section number Mississippi had prior to it being merged with Louisiana when it got moved to region VII (section 71) and try to keep track of the section numbers that existed prior to con-con when the numbering was quite different (New Jersey was 25 rather than 99, for example) have dealt with the Region III director on a chapter rechartering that turned into a chapter chartering because research showed that the chapter hadn't actually received the charter 30 years ago.

And I'm still irked that Delta chapter considers itself continually active when they had to be totally reorganized in 1933 according to the Lighbearer (predecessor to the T&T, name was changed in 1935).

*High* level challenge question. In the name of the founder Ray O. Wyland, What does the O. stand for?

Randy

You wouldn't be refering to Orion would you?

Sorry, I thought I had replied, but it didn't go through...

Orion is correct. Followup questions...

1) Name all regions of the fraternity whose borders have not changed since their creation in 1967/1968.
2) What was the last state to receive an Alpha Phi Omega charter.
3) Prior to WWII, what was Sigma Chi chapter (this is not a trick question, it does not refer to what was later assigned Sigma Chi chapter (Miami Dade CC-North)
4) Name any school with a local Alpha Phi Omega (unrelated to our APO,NSF) prior to 1925.

Randy