What if GLOs were coed?
 

Many of the European student groups are coed, and they seem to delight in posting pictures of hazing - male and female - on web pages.

I would think adding women to the typical fraternity atmosphere (and perhaps a few women advisors and supervisors too) would be an improvement.

Especially in dress, manners, cleanliness, timeliness, and civility.

Some of the pictures I've seen from Europe, though, just show the girls getting crap dumped on them along with the boys. And many of the hazings seem to be in public, with non-members looking on. And most seem to have beer bottles in the members' hands.

Maybe co-ed wouldn't be an improvement.

Here's a picture site:

http://members.lycos.nl/gaypoeta/

Professional GLOs are co-ed.

There are social GLOs that are co-ed. In the marketplace for fraternal organizations, they do not do as well as single sex organizations.

Re: What if GLOs were coed?
 

That link looks like a gay porn site. I would edit it out of your post.

hoosier, way over the top on this one!:)

If GLOS become coed, then what is the purpose of having us?:rolleyes:

If I come out of my room bleary eyed some morning scratching my crotch, the last thing I would want to see is some girl bleary eyes walking towards me scratching Hers!:eek:

Alpha Phi Omega is coed, although there are a few all-male chapters that were grandfathered in. (Delta at Auburn and Gamma Lambda at Clemson are the two that come to mind). Interestingly, the membership in my chapter was overwhelmingly female when I was there!

There used to be a local coed fraternity at Indiana University called Alpha Theta Tau. I don't know what happened to it.

Russellwarshay
 

Russellwarshay is correct about the inability of co-ed social GLOs to compete in that particular atmosphere. There have been many, many experiments - some of them forced by lefty administrators - but they have all failed. There are a few obscure chapters here and there of smaller nationals who flirt with the concept, and there are a few locals who adhere to it, but nothing of consequence. It's interesting that the failure in this arena doesn't carry over into other venues, There are successful co-ed professional societies, civic clubs, service & religious organizations.

If there is a direct female equivilant then often the all women orgamization may feel that it they are taking potentials away from them. I know that Girl Guides of Canada had a fit when Scouts went co-ed because parents who have both boys and girls were more likely to pull their girls out of Brownies/Guides and put them in Cubs/Scouts. However, both organizations still remain quite active, at least in this part of Canada :) As a (former) Girl Guide (in brackets because once you're "enrolled" (initated) and receive your Guide pin, you'll always be a Guide and can return to the movement any time you want) I'm also really glad that Guides chose to remain all girls!!!

My alma mater has co-ed groups, and the three (Alpha Delta Phi Society, St. Anthony's Hall, and a local that broke away from Zeta Psi) have larger memberships than most of the single-gender groups. A lot of my former classmates were very into equal opportunities for everyone, and many of the groups have their basis as literary societies. That made them more attractive to the "average" student there than a single-gender group, especially at a school where Greek membership was not a very popular choice.

Brown University?

Re: What if GLOs were coed?
 

It would make the naked pillow fights more interesting, that's for sure. ;) :p

Yep, but I'm an alum now.

Uh huh...I heard tons of stories. :eek:

Rutgers has a few co-ed social fraternities-- I can think of at least two (gamma sig and ADE come to mind) and they seem to do well, they both have houses and they throw parties all the time. I dont know anyone who was in those houses though.

Phi Sigma Pi is coed. (We're officially an honor fraternity, but with a lot of social aspects -- kind of like greek for geeks.)
I love PSP being coed! Both my big and my little are guys. Intra-brotherhood dating does happen, like for example I've dated brothers, and also this summer my big is getting married to another PSP brother, but brothers do mostly respect each other enough to not randomly fool around with other brothers from the chapter. (Now I'm not saying anything about what goes on at interchapter events and national convention...;) )
It's a different dynamic from a social sorority/fraternity, for sure, but I like it. I like how my chapter of PSP's planned social activities range more into the air hockey tournament / laser tag / restaurant hopping outings, as opposed to AXiD's sisterhood activities which are more of the whole chick flick / makeover night / going out for ice cream kind of thing. It's different and fun.
As for what Tom said about waking up in the mornings -- we don't have a house. I don't think any PSP chapter has an official house, although brothers will often rent a house or apt together to live in, sometimes coed, sometimes single-sex.

Just imagine the rush threads....

All the guys telling us what they will be wearing to pref!!
;)

It's not like it hasn't been tried before. Alpha Phi Omega, Circle K, etc.. these groups mostly went co-ed. Did it make them more competitive than your traditional single-sex organizations? Actually less-so. I think that the current systems in place within single-sex organizations give you every opportunity through social programming to form quality relationships with the opposite sex.

As are most honor GLOs and a few others (ex: APO Service GLO).

There are a few co-ed social/general GLOs, but social GLOs are the single group of GLOs marked by being single-sex. As most social GLOs main selling point is living in their house, being co-ed can be an issue for some.

I think Dartmouth has a handful of co-ed social GLOs.

They do. Hence my comment about there being a few co-ed social GLOs. Think previous posters noted some others. Find it also surprising that the ones at Dartmouth have houses. I could see a co-ed social that didn't have a house, but would think people would have an issue with co-ed houses.

Alpha Delta Phi Society at Columbia also has a house, I know someone who lives in there.

One my my best friends is house manager for an "organization" at Dartmouth which is coed. It is not a GLO, but only by name, everything they do is just like one. I know it has caused him problems in the past because he was dating a gril, who then became a member and then they broke up rather nastily, but still have to live in a house together....

Tau Beta Sigma and Kappa Kappa Psi can, and frequently are, coed. It doesn't always hurt their Rush though...TBS on my campus usually does quite well.

However, I've seen the problems it can cause, especially when members date, and then break up.

I've seen "problems" arise between men and women that strain student government as well. :rolleyes:

Hey, my post wasn't meant as in insult to TBS. As I said, TBS here usually does quite well in Rush, and are a pretty strong group.

However, this past year some problems HAVE come up in their chapter because there were a few couples who broke up in their chapter, and well, it was kind of a mess. I know this because I'm good friends with most of their brothers/sisters. It's not just my own thoughts on it.

THough I don't see being coed as a bad thing. If it was,. groups like APO, TBS, KKY, DO, etc etc wouldn't be as widespread as they are. It all depends on what you're looking to get out of a group. Personally, I like being in an all female GLO. Does it mean I have something against coed groups? Absolutely not. It just wasn't for me. :)

I know at Auburn, TBS is all female and APO is all male, while KKY is co-ed

When APO went co-ed in 1976, each chapter could decide to remain all-male. The chapter at Auburn is one of the few that has remained all-male. New or re-chartered chapters must be co-ed, however.

Going co-ed is death to any serious fraternity

The great thing about single sex organizations is that it fosters a community that cannot be reached, or so i believe, in a co-ed situation. When you have women working together it forces us to deal with issues we have. Women can be petty, and learning to live and work together are tasks that can be difficult yet rewarding to accomplish.

There is also something to be said about personal growth and development that happens in a single-gender group. Sororities are about giving women opportunity and helping develop skills in a supportive community. Yes co-ed glos can be supportive, but it is not focused solely on the betterment of women like female glo. That is an important aspect of what we do. The betterment of women.

It depends so much on campus culture. At schools like Brown, Harvard, Haverford, and Wesleyan, single-sex social organizations are largely seen as archaic or regressive. Coed housing arrangements are the norm. Even at schools with a traditional Greek presence like Cornell and Stanford, co-ed selective houses thrive.

Our LGLO is co-ed
 

We are the nation's first co-ed latino based fraternity and I wouldn't have wanted it any other way. (of course the boys object to being called a frasority so we went with fraternity) Some of our chapters have houses and usually one floor is for guys and the other is for girls. I think its having the best of both worlds. I love having line brothers and sisters! plus, thats how I met my husband. =) Even now that I'm an alum, i still go with him to his chapter's pledge events and participate in their activities. Maybe its different because we're an LGLO, but it makes for fun times and stories.

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71 Glorious Days
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Sounds Unique and Interesting!
 

What are the "71 Glorious Days"?

I know a couple chapters of national fraternities that are co-ed while a lot are just male. It's pretty funny when the female track coach is in the same fraternity as a bunch of the guys on the track team. Haha.

-Rudey

Sat.?
 

one half from the east
one half from the west
one half made of water and earth
one half made of heart and soul
one half staying at the shores and
one half nesting in a pearl

I drank five of these one Friday night, and I don't remember Sat. at all.

71 Glorious Days?
 

Firehouse,
my pledge process was 71 days long, so i call it 71 Glorious days bc they were some of the best 71 days of my young life. ;)