Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell
 

I was just wondering what you all thought about Bush's apparent reaching out to minorities and the message he's trying to send by appointing Rice and Powell to (very) key positions. Do you guys buy it? And what do you think about Rice and Powell, and the accusation that I'm sure will come sooner or later (sell outs, or not?)

The question is will he limit the selection of "minorities" to Powell, Rice, and the Latino gentleman (I can't remember his name) from Texas? Will he think by announcing these nominees first, that is suppose to satisfy his promise of an "inclusive" administration?

I think this is a VERY good point. He could very easily be thinking "Okay, here you go, I picked three (which he may believe to be more than enough) now let me get on with what I need to do..."

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The truly educated never graduate!

[This message has been edited by meeks (edited December 19, 2000).]

EXACTLY!!!! He appointed a "few" and he appointed them first to make a show about it. But what ELSE is he going to do for "us". Programs, bills etc...

Sorry to burst your bubbles but he is not doing anything for 'US', by appointing these few ... these three Black Republicans have been with he and his father over the years!! Colin Powell held an office with his father and the Latino gentlemen worked with Debuya in Texas under a title similar to his current appointment. These token Blacks/Latinos are not new faces, and these 3 will do nothing for you ...they are already part of the republican administration don't let the color of their faces fool you into thinking 'oh my this is a good thing, what is next'. NEXT IS THE LET DOWN.
Being blunt - NOT RUDE!!

You got that right!

Colin Powell IS actually very concerned about the African-American population. He strongly encourages Republicans repeatedly to support Affirmative Action and Anti-Hate Legislation. During the Republican Convention in 1996-he was "booed and hissed" because he stated that minorities were not represented fairly in the U.S., the American Dream is farther from our grasp, and he stated that the goverment should not get rid of Affirmative Action. I believe that he commented on it at the Convention at Philly, but everyone just got a little quiet.

However, we all know that he cannot change the mind set of the Republican party-and that is the bottom line.

As for Ms. Rice, I am not sure. She is fuzzy math. But one thing I do know is that she needs to make herself more aware of what is going on in the Middle East and Asia, not just Russia.

The funny thing about this situation- Colin and Rice, is that people think that the African-American population should just be happy and forget about the injustices done in Florida. Be that good house negroe...don't cause trouble for the master...

I can agree with Ania about CP up to a point. But if he's so concerned about African-Americans, why is he so tight with the party that has HISTORICALLY been against giving us our due? I'm not trying to toot the Democrats horn, but in a country with only two viable parties, and only one that's shown any willingness to meet your people halfway, why would you choose the other one? CP is an accomplished person and seems very dignified, so I can respect that, but his choices confuse me. As for CR, the jury's still out on her. BTW, did anyone read the love note (sorry, article) the NY Times just published about her?

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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle

All I have to say in regards to ALL these folks is that...

...THE BLIND LEADING.... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

INSTEAD OF THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND...

[This message has been edited by AKA2D '91 (edited December 20, 2000).]

Epitome,
I have no disagreement about the fact that he is with a party that historically suppress African-American's interest. For some odd reason, Colin believes that he can make a difference in that party. Why someone who is an African-American would join the Republican Party is beyond me. Besides, everyone knows that you are a WINDOW DISPLAY! But like I stated before, he cannot and will not change the mind set of that party.

Now what love letter is this in the N.Y. Times? I know that she is single and has no children.

Soror AKA2D has provided my morning dose of laughter!

Ania,

On Monday (I think), the NY Times published an article about CR. For the most part, it was glowing (in other words, a love letter). On the other hand, as a Salon (www.salon.com) article pointed out, it was superficial in a way that an article about a man wouldn't be, talking about her hair, clothes, "girlish laugh," etc. Don't want to sound like I'm griping, though because I'd rather see them present her in a good light since she hasn't even started this job yet.

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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle

Epitome,
Your last statement was very true. I'm actually wondering how they(senators, congressmen, critics, media, etc.) are going to treat both of these people because this is the first time that African-Americans have held such high titles.

CP and the other two must feel very comfortable with the republican agenda to be with the party soooooo long. obviously they feel it is the best party for them. i've worked with republicans in the political arena and http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif and though i have some conservatives tendencies it became very clear that the only thing they will do for blacks is NOTHING http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif i'm sorry but they don't like us http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif just keeke

I'm not for Republicans or Democrats but everyone is saying what have Republicans done for us. Well what the heck have democrats done for us. Democrats have all these wonderful slogans and promises and then they don't come through. I'll give everyone one example Somalia. It was President Bush who sent in troops to feed the people of Somalia during the famine there, and it was President Clinton who took the troops out. Somalia is still in shambles.

If anyone has time, check out the poll on www.Essence.com regarding Powell and Rice and view the results.

YEAH, BUT CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME!

ALL OF THEM ARE A LESSER OF 2 OR 3 EVILS.

7BA94,
I'm sorry but Somolia really was a situation were the policy was not carried out fully because it was not planned well and just plain sloppy(By both the U.S. and U.N.)!
Not to mention, this particular example is in left field somewhere.

If you want to get to the point, anyone on this board could say that both parties don't do enough for the African-American community. However, if 90% of the African-American population voted Democrat and only 9% voted Republican, what does that tell you?

Through my work with state government and in the political arena, I have found that the majority will do something the help an individual but as far as doing something to benefit minorties as a whole you can forget it.

It tells me that the black vote is taken for granted by the democratic party. Also before, the new deal most blacks voted republican so things do change. How much more power as a people would we have if we actually used our voting muscle and held politicians accoutable. Also Colin Powell and Rice are more than qualified and should be applauded for earning those positions.

We never said Powell and Rice aren't qualified. Some of us may feel as though they will be the token minorities Bush parades for us to see as though he has met his "inclusive" quota.

I, for one, do not feel as though my vote is ever taken for granted by democrats because I'm a split ticket voter. I vote for the person who I feel is most qualified for the job, but their agenda/platform can't be overlooked. It just so happens that blacks and democrats agendas are more alike than not.

Yes, things do change, but most blacks voted republican in the past because it was the "party of Lincoln". But that is another thread entirely...

Colin Powell and Candaleza Rice were apointed to their respective posts because they showed their competence in these areas. Being for or against affirmative action has nothing to do with foreign affairs or FBI/CIA affairs. Education, Labor and Treasury/Finance (because fundings are decided by Finances) related to affirmative action programs. Instead of looking at how many blacks have been appointed in the Bush governement I would look a bit more closely to who ( whether it is a black or white person) will be appointed to positions that have a DIRECT effect on affirmative Action and Minorities in general. Just my opinion

This was taken from the EURWEB.com site

It's a little long, but it has some interesting tidbits....

POWELL, RICE: NO COMFORT FOR BLACKS
by Abayomi Azikiwe
(Dec. 25, 2000) Cynicism is running rampant in DC these days. And George W. Bush is the source of a lot of it.
He recognized the anger and apprehension among most African-Americans over his ascension to the White House. Blacks voted 9 to 1 against him. In his own state of Texas, Bush's margin of loss was closer to 10 to 1.

So, he made a series of appointments to deflect the fact that his administration has no real political base in the Black community.

Two conservative right-wing African-American Republicans, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, are slated for Secretary of State and National Security Adviser, respectively. With this, the Bush government is continuing the long-time effort by previous administrations and the intelligence agencies, of attempting to neutralize the influence of existing Black leaders.

During the heyday of the civil rights movement during the 1960s, the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, J. Edgar Hoover, approved a plan to destroy Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., the leader of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, and to replace him with Samuel Pierce, a black conservative who later served in the Reagan administration as Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (HUD).

People today laugh when you mention this. But this plot is revealed in FBI files released under the Freedom of Information Act. Pierce had no personal charisma nor any credentials as a church or community leader.

Other attempts at creating synthetic leaders in the African-American community occurred during the Reagan-Bush era of the 1980s and early 1990s. An example is the placement of Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court by George Bush's father in 1991.

Before this, Colin Powell was appointed as the first Black man to head the U.S. military. Condoleezza Rice played a role in this process of creating false role models and leaders in the African-American community when she served under George Bush's father on the National Security Council during his one-term tenure as U.S. president.

However, despite these attempts to confuse and politically neutralize the progressive character of black U.S. politics, these individuals have met very little widespread success in our community.

Gen. Powell led American soldiers in their invasions of Panama and Iraq -- invasions where horrendous crimes against the civilian populations of these nations were carried out. He has never stood for elections for any office. After a "false run" for president in 1996, Powell has been content to serve as a member of the Republican public relations apparatus -- someone who can be brought out as an example of what the obedient servant can gain if he follows the orders of the right wing. Yet Powell has seldom been associated with any positive group effort in the African-American community.

As for Condoleezza Rice, she mentions her origins in the segregated South, yet says nothing about the continuing legacy of institutional racism and national oppression that African-Americans must still overcome. Her political background is within the Cold War politics of the Reagan and Bush era, where she served as a so-called "Russian specialist." She is trained to think in terms of anti-communism and political subversion.

During the reign of Reagan and Bush, the government she served carried out the bombing of the harbors off the coast of Nicaragua and the illegal financing of the CONTRA counterrevolutionary militias in that country. This was the same time period that crack cocaine distribution was introduced by the Central Intelligence Agency in the nation's African-American communities.

Rice later played a role in keeping the apartheid regimes in South Africa and Namibia alive. She helped maintain the roadblocks to the release of Nelson Mandela and other political prisoners. Her vice president, Dick Cheney, voted in Congress to oppose the U.S. sanctions imposed on South Africa in1986. Bush's father, who appointed Rice to the NSC, carried out the Gulf War, where hundred of thousands of Iraqis were killed along with the poisoning of tens of thousands of US troops with chemical weapons -- a claim that the Bush administration subsequently denied in the war's aftermath.

Such appointments will only serve to further alienate the largest ethnic group in the United States from a government that is viewed as a hostile force that came to power through the mass disenfranchisement of African voters. In other words, who does Powell and Rice really represent other than themselves and their Republican right-wing sponsors?

What can be expected from the Bush regime?

Bush would not state in a debate with Gore whether he opposed affirmative action -- only saying that "if it means quotas, then I'm opposed." Tokenism is by no means a substitute for a legitimate affirmative action program. Consequently, selecting Blacks who have never held elective office or worked within African-American organizations will not blind whole communities to the draconian racist policies of the Republican right.

Huge tax cuts for the rich, the rollback of affirmative action programs in higher education and labor, the increase of the black prison population, the escalation of the death penalty against people of color and the poor, police brutality and murder, the eradication of immigrant rights, cultural debasement, the denial of women's fundamental rights, the repression and criminalization of the youth, the neglect of senior citizens and the poor and homeless, will be hallmarks of George W. Bush.

The appointment of a handful of unrepresentative neo- conservative Blacks will not disrupt the struggle of the broader community to realize genuine democracy and economic justice.

Whoa!

my thought exactly http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif

I was aware of a number of these incidents.

I feel this article is a bit melodramatic, written to "inform" a certain group of people...

Is there are problem if the writer is trying to "inform a certain group of people?" http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif

No, there isn't, unless he's trying to persuade them to react to a situation with only a fraction of the facts.

i.e. not telling the "whole" story

Did you know that Dick Cheney also voted against the Headstart Program and the School Lunch program for underpriviledged kids? By the way, Dick Cheney also voted against the release of Nelson Mandela. Things that make you go hmmmmm!

Oh by the way, the statement I just made is in no way bias or dramatic.

The article that was previously posted is nothing but the truth, plus it is an article and of course the person is going to state their opinion or their beliefs about the topic. DDDrrrrr!

Is she to blame for the foreign policy and the "lies" that we have been told? A few minutes ago, Bush defended her saying that she was "honest" etc. etc, while answering questions after his press conference.

Why are we always to blame? :confused:

I think her days are numbered in the Bush administration, but I'm not worried about how she'll fare if she's booted on her flip. If there was ever a more powerful and resourceful woman, I'm hard pressed to think of one.

Are you really that surprised??
 

you know wes gon' always be da scape goat fo' massa.:rolleyes:


i saw a few minutes of the news conference and couldn't help but be sickened by the double talk. between bush and rumsfeld, i don't know who's worse. i know rumsfeld is at least better at it. HE can speak the QUEEN'S ENGLISH, unlike DUBUYA.






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QUOTE]Originally posted by AKA2D '91
Is she to blame for the foreign policy and the "lies" that we have been told? A few minutes ago, Bush defended her saying that she was "honest" etc. etc, while answering questions after his press conference.

Why are we always to blame? :confused: [/QUOTE]

Overworked
 

I caught a glimpse of Condi on one of those night-time political talk shows the other night and she looked tired and drained. If you were smarter than your boss I would think it would get really frustrating.

Re: Overworked
 

Good point. Working for an eejit probably is draining.

I've got mixed feelings about Dr. Rice. Her alliance with Gorgie Dubya Boosh is unnerving, but she's a bright, bright person and I respect intellectualism.

Condoleeza Rice is a PAWN for Bush. So is Colin Powell and any other black or latino he has appointed in high-profile positions. If they don't already know it when they got those jobs, then they were STUPID. A PAWN GETS PLAYED! Dubya might be all smiles in front of them, but make no douvt about it, when humpty dumpty falls, he's taking down his PAWNS to soften the fall.

Re: Overworked
 

Yeah, I saw her on The News Hour on PBS and she looked rattled. I've never seen her look that frazzled before. I mean, I know Gwen Ifill is a tough interviewer, but Condie looked like she was close to losing her composure.

Trying to blunt allegations the Bush administration mishandled terror threats before Sept. 11, the White House is offering to let President Bush's top national security aide meet privately for a second time with a federal panel investigating the terrorist attacks. The White House said in a letter late Thursday to the independent Sept. 11 commission that such a session would allow Condoleezza Rice to clear up "a number of mischaracterizations" of her statements and positions. More...


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._commission_12

didn't C. Rice also do a 60 Minutes sit-down? if so, then why can't she testify publicly with the federal panel investigating 9/11?

...her daddy was an Alpha Man, so I know she KNOWS the right thing to do :cool: