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krazy 10-16-2003 03:10 PM

CNN screws up again...
 
I have lived in NYC for a good deal of my life, and it infuriates me that CNN failed to cover the tragic staten island ferry disaster... They always pride themselves for being "the most trusted name in news", yet they cover Kobe instead of a REAL news story... Pathetic. Thanks to Fox and MSNBC for covering the story, and my prayers to all of the families involved.

ThetaPrincess24 10-16-2003 04:03 PM

...........and that's exactly why i'm a fox news channel junkie :) I've also noticed when big things happen, that fox will break the story usually a few minutes before cnn does.......CNN used to be excellent......but as of the past few years their quality has really begun to slide i think.

docetboy 10-16-2003 04:06 PM

I think the main problem with CNN is that they got away from what they did best (Reporting the liberal bias) to trying to compete with Fox News and having more 'entertaining' shows...it just doesn't work on that channel

aabby757 10-16-2003 04:06 PM

Last night I was in my car the the radio DJ reported that he read off of CNN that the captain of the boat killed himself.

Then this morning the radio says ATTEMPTED. Huge difference.

KSig RC 10-16-2003 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by aabby757
Last night I was in my car the the radio DJ reported that he read off of CNN that the captain of the boat killed himself.

Then this morning the radio says ATTEMPTED. Huge difference.


why, the radio dj said he heard on cnn . . . that's basically primary-source!

jesus - maybe the dj f-ed it up

Betarulz! 10-16-2003 04:29 PM

Strange you say that, b/c I first saw footage from the accident while channel surfing on CNN. It must have been about 4pm Central Daylight, as I went to watch Around the Horn on ESPN. I think that's the time that Wolf Blitzer (best name ever) has his show, and he was showing footage of it all.

Imthachamp 10-16-2003 05:05 PM

kobe news is the most important thing in the nation right now. i hope the defense breaks down this money hungry broad and destroys her character in every way possible.

krazy 10-16-2003 05:28 PM

I wish I remember the time...
 
I was doing some surfing as well, and it was afternoon, not sure what time. All I know was that I watched the story on Fox for a while, switching to see Kobe for a while-getting mad-and switching back to Fox. I think that it is wierd. Why would they not report on it until so much later? You know they have people watching FOX and MSNBC for them to make sure they do not miss anything... I don't like it.

I agree w/ Thetaprincess though, they used to be alright, and I still click over there, but they have really been pissing me off lately w/ their horrible channel.

Sorry to rant...

DeltAlum 10-16-2003 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by docetboy
I think the main problem with CNN is that they got away from what they did best (Reporting the liberal bias) to trying to compete with Fox News and having more 'entertaining' shows...it just doesn't work on that channel
I think the real problem is huge budget cuts by AOL/Time Warner after buying CNN, etc.

They also hire a lot of people straight out of college with little or no experience. The important part there, being the experience. No matter how good your TCOM or J-School is, nothing prepares you for this kind of situation like experience.

bethany1982 10-16-2003 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by docetboy
I think the main problem with CNN is that they got away from what they did best (Reporting the liberal bias) to trying to compete with Fox News and having more 'entertaining' shows...it just doesn't work on that channel
As far as the "reporting the liberal bias" goes, they have not wandered too far from their roots.

I heard the CNN based suicide report on the radio too, but anyone can make a mistake. I read the same thing on a net based news source.

DeltAlum 10-16-2003 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by bethany1982
As far as the "reporting the liberal bias" goes, they have not wandered too far from their roots.

I heard the CNN based suicide report on the radio too, but anyone can make a mistake. I read the same thing on a net based news source.

I'm not sure what liberal or conservative have to do with reporting a fatal accident. I kind of wish we didn't politicize so much in this forum.

It is a sad truth that more and more media are using, and assuming to be fact, reports from other media without checking out the story themselves. It is, unfortunately, a symptom of "getting it on first" in our highly competitive, highly stressed electronic journalistic climate. It is also a symptom of those young journalists I mentioned above. Twenty years ago, nobody would have taken anything aired by another station, or even appearing in a newspaper as truth without checking it out themselves -- even if they attribute the story to the other media. Even if it took those precious extra minutes.

PM_Mama00 10-16-2003 10:07 PM

Actually I watched CNN for quite a while yesterday when it happened, and they were switching back and forth from Kobe and the accident.

Kevin 10-17-2003 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
I think the real problem is huge budget cuts by AOL/Time Warner after buying CNN, etc.

They also hire a lot of people straight out of college with little or no experience. The important part there, being the experience. No matter how good your TCOM or J-School is, nothing prepares you for this kind of situation like experience.

It's known for being kind of a news sweat shop.

Crappy pay, long hours but great experience. A glorified internship.

DeltAlum 10-17-2003 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
It's known for being kind of a news sweat shop.

Crappy pay, long hours but great experience. A glorified internship.

Exactly. A few professionals surrounded by a sea of inexperience.

Kevin 10-17-2003 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Exactly. A few professionals surrounded by a sea of inexperience.
Also, DA, you can't discount the producers on the national station. I mean it's about 90% their fault in this particular matter.

Unless someone's worked in or around a news program, they'd have no idea about the sheer volume of material that CNN produces. I'm talking about TONS of sports, news, whatever packages, video, whatever.

Just to give ya'll an idea about how much CNN actually produces, we're probably in the neighborhood of 8-10 hours per day worth of fresh edited or unedited, voiced or unvoiced video. Many local news stations rely on CNN to provide all the material they need for regional, nationwide and worldwide news. For someone to effectively oversee what reporters are putting on that feed from day to day would be a pretty daunting task.

When producing a news program, it's really amazing how many stories CNN puts out that will never see the light of day due to the sheer volume of stuff. We really can't talk about CNN and its reporters faults without acknowledging that the producers at the local/national level should at least share some fault here.

krazy 10-17-2003 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by PM_Mama00
Actually I watched CNN for quite a while yesterday when it happened, and they were switching back and forth from Kobe and the accident.
Well that is a problem in itself, if they were mentioning that it happened yesterday, b/c the accident happened 2 days ago...

OrigamiTulip 10-17-2003 02:05 PM

The problem here is not with CNN....
 
Quote:

Originally posted by krazy
Well that is a problem in itself, if they were mentioning that it happened yesterday, b/c the accident happened 2 days ago...

If you look at the timestamp on her post, you'll notice it was on the 16th, not the 17th.

AXJules 10-17-2003 02:55 PM

Am I the only person that thinks Fox's news is totally sensationalized???

CNN has definitely made it's share of mistakes this year. From what I've heard, the whole glorified internship thing is absolutely correct.

But it was Fox that ran to the gates of the arrival airports on 9/11 and told the families their relatives had been killed. That kind of scandalous, in your face attitude is sometimes associated with the media but Fox is the worst.

So which is worse- a news association with a bunch of inexperienced people or a news association deliberately looking for the sleaziest coverage available?

Nikki_DZ 10-17-2003 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by AXJules
Am I the only person that thinks Fox's news is totally sensationalized???
Amen, Jules.

The style and graphics remind me of Inside Edition or A Current Affair. And fair and balanced-IMHO, that's a load.

bafromkc 10-17-2003 04:15 PM

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The style and graphics remind me of Inside Edition or A Current Affair. And fair and balanced-IMHO, that's a load.
the graphics used by Fox has no influence or outcome over what they report. you may think it LOOKS like Inside Edition but the content of the programing is much different.

as for fair and balanced, why do you think that is a "load?" i think all the news they report is balanced, its not like they only give updates on Republican presidiential candidates.

krazy 10-17-2003 04:55 PM

Re: The problem here is not with CNN....
 
Quote:

Originally posted by BetaRose
If you look at the timestamp on her post, you'll notice it was on the 16th, not the 17th.

Not on my computer... ?????

krazy 10-17-2003 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AXJules
Am I the only person that thinks Fox's news is totally sensationalized???

CNN has definitely made it's share of mistakes this year. From what I've heard, the whole glorified internship thing is absolutely correct.

But it was Fox that ran to the gates of the arrival airports on 9/11 and told the families their relatives had been killed. That kind of scandalous, in your face attitude is sometimes associated with the media but Fox is the worst.

So which is worse- a news association with a bunch of inexperienced people or a news association deliberately looking for the sleaziest coverage available?

Sleazy coverage? That is the american public my friend, not fox news. They only report what the people do. That is the exact point. They don't add a bunch of false, elitist info to their reporting. They report it straight up. And w/ the 911 reporting... I fail to see your point. Would you like them to hold off telling the nation that two of the most important buildings and over 3000 people had been destroyed? You think we should edit the fact that our nation was under attack? Are you nuts? Maybe next time they will keep the story on the back burner until we identify the 3000 bodies. Give me a break. It wasn't their place to withhold the info, and they knew it. They clearly, CLEARLY, offer the most un-baised reporting of the cable news channels. Just because they are not liberal, doesn't mean they are conservative... keep that in mind.

"Sensationalized" is a great argument... If you don't want to see news, turn off the channel. They are 24 hour news station, so they report everything that happens around the world.

You don't like the channel, turn the station, they don't need your help, they are mopping up the remains of their competition...

DeltAlum 10-17-2003 05:11 PM

Anybody know anyone personally at Fox News?

I do.

And, I've met their president who is a fellow Ohio University Graduate who just happened to make a fortune as a Republican strategist and Richard Nixon's media advisor during his campaigns.

Frankly, Fox does lean FAR to the right and is just "ballanced" enough to keep itself out of legal trouble.

A lot of what "ballanced" means depends on what you want to hear and how you interpret it.

Now, if they can convince the audience that their "journalism" is ballanced, more power to them.

But, the fact is, they have an agenda and are masterful at pulling it off.

AXJules 10-17-2003 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by krazy
Sleazy coverage? That is the american public my friend, not fox news. They only report what the people do. That is the exact point. They don't add a bunch of false, elitist info to their reporting. They report it straight up. And w/ the 911 reporting... I fail to see your point. Would you like them to hold off telling the nation that two of the most important buildings and over 3000 people had been destroyed? You think we should edit the fact that our nation was under attack? Are you nuts? Maybe next time they will keep the story on the back burner until we identify the 3000 bodies. Give me a break. It wasn't their place to withhold the info, and they knew it. They clearly, CLEARLY, offer the most un-baised reporting of the cable news channels. Just because they are not liberal, doesn't mean they are conservative... keep that in mind.

"Sensationalized" is a great argument... If you don't want to see news, turn off the channel. They are 24 hour news station, so they report everything that happens around the world.

You don't like the channel, turn the station, they don't need your help, they are mopping up the remains of their competition...

Um, wow....does someone in your family work for them b/c I think you're taking this a lil too personally....

A) There is a difference between reporting what happens and creating drama. There was no reason to run up to the families at the gate and go "They all died!!!!" with a camera in those people's faces- don't act like it was their duty, the people would have found out in 10 seconds anyway. Have some compassion- when it comes to someone dying there are better ways to handle breaking the news, and it was NOT the job of some camera whore at FOX to do it.

2) I'm fully aware that the media likes scandalous stories. I'm a journalism major (by no means making me an expert) and many classes point out the fact that they only report what the American people eat up. That being said, its no excuse for crappy journalism. I'm sorry but too many times FOX has reported things that were not even close to true...another 9/11 example- CNN broadcast that there might have been up to 4 other planes; FOX made a map showing 4 other crashes that never happened.

C) Please don't concern yourself with my TV viewing habits- you don't have to worry, the only time its on my TV is when I'm doing a report on shitty news coverage. I don't worry about what other ppl do- if an entire nation wants to watch (which it seems that way) more power to them...I simply asked if anyone else found them sleazier than the other news orgs. Again as to why you're getting so defensive, I have no idea.... but it's cool....


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