POLL: Kobe, Guilty or Not?
 

not:rolleyes:

given the recent findings in the preliminary hearing....NOT

Sorry to crash your boards, but I just really can't think that he did it. Even aside from the evidence for or against his innocence, I'd hate it if he did because I think he's such a positive person for so many people...so I say Not Guilty!!

Yes he is guilty...Of making a stupid decision!

Guilty of rape? HELL NO!

of adultery: yes
of rape: no, gimme a break!:rolleyes:

not guilty. sometimes you really do have to learn a lesson the hard way. no more flings for him.

Yep no more Flings or Vanessa will "Hit 'em Up Style!" (as soon as I heard about it I thought about Blu Cantrell's Song)

***Looking around*** Am I the only one who feels that he may have raped her?

Ok, maybe so. I just had this discussion with Phrat. He concluded (and I agree), just because she is "promiscuous" (that's up for debate), does not mean he didn't rape her.

I SOOOO don't care about this, but dangit the constant coverage has drawn me in. I'll wait until the trial.

I haven't really been keeping up at all. What are some of the 'goings on'?

I'm sort of thinking he might be guilty.

Rape: I don't know. I wasn't there
Adultery: HECK YES!

I think this was a ploy to reveal that he isn't as "golden" as one would want us to believe. He is human and capable of using the wrong 'head' when making decisions. :p

I don't really care. I just hope this isn't the OJ Trial of the new millennium, is all I'm sayin'.

FREE KOBE BRYANT!!!

No he's not guilty. Let's look at some of yesterday's findings:

The panties she wore the next day to the courthouse had semen of a man other than Kobe and pubic hair of a white man. She says that this is not the same pair of underwear worn the night of the alleged rape.

1. Was she wearing dirty underwear that she just picked up off the floor that morning. NASTY! Maybe there should be a search warrant and they should examine all of her dirty underwear and find out how many different DNA matches they may find.

2. Did she have sex with someone after Kobe? That explains the semen and pubic hair. Now, if so....this is completely relevant because you DO NOT go out and have sex with someone right after being "raped".

Either way, she's a skank.

My thoughts on the Kobester
 

Adultery -- Guilty.
Rape -- I'm not the Kobester or that girl, so I reserve comment.

Being a BAD TEAMMATE -- Guilty. Did you check what Diesel said about him? Read my post in the celeb news thread. (Although Shaq was whining like a bia-bia, I think there was a modicum of truth to what he said. -- ST.)
:p

In the words of Jay-Z....
 

NOT GUILTY!

I'm sorry, but I think that she wanted more out of the deal and didn't get it, or just felt stupid afterwards and cried "RAPE!!".

(sorry for crashing your boards!)

Adultery - sure.

Rape - I'm leaning towards no.

I did some work with a professional sports team (now defunct). Any woman who goes into a hotel room with an athlete alone has put herself in a really bad position. I find it very hard to believe that a woman who works in a hotel didn't know that.

Then, the evidence presented yesterday didn't help her much.

Adultery - certainly

Rape - I'll fall-in with AKA2D'91 and Steeltrap; I wasn't there - don't know.

I concur with Honeychile re. entering a room alone with a member of a pro sports team - really not a good move, but, how old is she?



:confused:

I know this is going to sound crazy, but.....

I HOPE he is not guilty of rape.

I also HOPE she is not lying.

When I was a 19 year old teenager, freshman in college, I know I put myself in some compromising situations with men I bearly knew, thinking he's a college student, he's a nice guy. I thank my God above that nothing ever happened to me in those situations. I would like to think that if something did, folks wouldn't accuse me of all kinds of things.

I agree!!! You know what reallyyyyyy trips me out is people still...esp'ly MARRIED people..... still run around having unprotected sex w/ people they don't know???!!!!! No wonder the HIV/AIDS rate for young people is still getting higher and higher as the years go by! So sad!

Hmm...
 

I can not be sure of what happened. Only he and the young woman can really answer that. He is guilty of cheating on his wife and making a poor decision that will affect his family (including his child). Either way, I was never a big Kobe fan and his recent actions have not helped any.

If he is guility, he needs to go to jail as should all women/men who committ the crime of rape. If he is innocent, he won't be in "jail" physically, but his life will still be hell (pardon my French) to some extent.

pNc

Guilty.

She may be a skank and guilty of being naive and using bad judgment, but that's not a crime.

The bell boy saw her immediately before her tour with Kobe and immediately after. After the fact there were bruises on her neck, and there were witnesses in surrounding rooms who heard her yelling "NO" And in Colorado, a person has the right to change their mind even during sex.

I heard that the semen and pubic hair were rumors--was that confirmed?

The semen and pubic hairs were not a rumor.
Adultery: yes, by his own admission

Rape: I'm leaning towards no, which is hard for me to say b/c I was almost raped in college...

I think the girl is not telling the truth..

Okay, I agree with that last statement. If all of this is true, she is clearly a skank. However, I don't agree that any of the rest is relevant to the fact that Kobe may or may not have raped her. Just because she allegedly had sex with multiple partners doesn't meant she's not capable of being raped. We have to remember that Kobe DID admit to having sex with her. With that admission, all this talk about DNA is irrelevant. Personally, I wouldn't have sex with anyone soon after a rape, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. It's not like she was viciously attacked by some deranged lunatic in an alley. She alleges that it started as consensual kissing it went too far. Maybe it wasn't all that traumatizing to her and she's able to carry on normal sexual relationships. That still doesn't mean that it wasn't rape.

Now, I say all that to say I don't know if Kobe raped her. However, coming from a strictly legal perspective, the defense has presented nothing but irrelevant rhetoric. I believe the prosecution has convincing evidence in its arsenal and the defense better have something more than the "oh, but she's a slut" defense at the time of trial.

Then how do you explain the semen and pubic hair from a person that CLEARLY was not Kobe?

I agree with all of what you said..but the above bothers me.

Just reading the last 10 posts on this topic two words come to mind......reasonable doubt.

I still feel KB's in trouble without a change of venue. But her alleged past behavior, not making a judgement of it, would at least make me consider the possibility that what happened might have been consensual.

My point exactly.

But why does it matter if they found Kobe's semen and pubic hair or not? Absence of his DNA and presence of another man's would only be relevant in proving that Kobe didn't have sex with her at all. But he already ADMITTED that he had unprotected sex with her. The fact that they found the DNA of another man only means that she slept with Kobe and someone else. So, sue her. She's skanky, but that doesn't mean she's not a rape victim. Am I making any sense? I just don't get why people seem to think that finding another man's semen and pubic hair means Kobe didn't rape her. :confused:

No means No...no mater what.
 

He is no doubt an adulterer.... which should cause him enough shame.
As far as rape... there are only two people who have the complete answers.
One thing I can say is that you can't rule out the event just because of someone's sexual history or activities. That would be prejudging the situation.
There is a strong possibility that she was raped...but chose to handle the situation differently. In the same breath there is a strong possibility that she was not raped.

I totally agree with you! I can care less if he did it or not, but I strongly feel that he deserve whatever may come his way. If he really didn't rape this girl and still end up in jail for a crime that he did not commit...GOOD FOR HIM!!! That's what happens when you are STUPID and cheat on your wife. Freakin idiot!!! If he did rape the young lady I feel that he should rot in jail. Either way he needs to be punished. I'm truely sick and damn tired of men thinking that they can cheat and get away with it. They seem to think that they can apologize, shed a tear and buy some jewelry and all should be forgiven. WHATEVER!! And then get a tatoo talking about how Vanessa is his "Angel". He wasn't thinking about his "Angel" when he was in Colorado stickin' that chicken. Kobe is a straight up joke! As far as I'm concerned he need to lose everything. His career, his wife and whatever respect that people have/had for him. Let him be a prime example to other men of what can happen when they step out on their marriages.

Dang I didn't mean to vent like that.

:o :eek: That was the SAME thing I was thinking. Either she put on some nasty 'draws' and went to the hospital or she slept with someone right after Kobe...

Kobe is guilty of adultery, no doubt.

Rape?? I'm still trying to decide.

Relax, relate, release.

Words I live by Soror!

I'm voting
 

Greetings:

I really don't know....the panties w/ other semen in them sound really weird. But she said she had sex with someone 3 days before that. Hey, maybe that's how she rolls....You know, people in other places wear the same clothes several days in a row and don't shower daily.

It's also disturbing that they found her blood on his shirt. I don't know about you all, but blood????? That sounds weird to me. Maybe its a normal occurrence for some....but to me, it seems like something was forced!!!!!!

And I was wondering about the 'condom' part! So the fool wasn't wearing a condom. I was wondering about that! I guess he is as stupid as he looks. The things he could take home to his wife!

He's tired as hell to me now.....

Not a Kobe fan.............
 

LOL, Soror you sound like me. However, I wouldn't want an innocent man in jail for a crime he didn't commit.

Before the preliminary hearing, I was on the guilty side. After hearing the evidence from both sides and seeing how the original story has changed, I've got to go with reasonable doubt.

Not guilty.

Re: In the words of Jay-Z....
 

That's exactly what I told my homeboy. I speculate that she screwed him, then she got home and was like, "Dag...I just did that for free!" She kicked herself and then devised a plan. I could be wrong, and I am not the one to put atheletes or any other famous person on an unrealistic pedestal...actually, I don't even like Kobe. :rolleyes: I always thought he was an arrogant SOB, but I don't think he is guilty.

Re: Not a Kobe fan.............
 

No, I guess he shouldn't go to jail for a crime that he didn't commit, but I feel he still need to suffer some kind of punishment for cheating on his wife AND bringing a sense of embarrassment to his family. I just don't want him to get off and feel like he can just go back to his "perfect" life without having to answer to something or somebody.

He's suffering already suffering in the court of public opinion. I didnt really care for him before this anyway. Newsweek did a nice article on him a week ago, it was very interesting.

Anyway, I agree that something is fishy here. Was it rape, I dont know.

:mad: see, its tricks like her that make rape victims reluctant to come forward.. its a catch 22

About the Newsweek article -- I found it insightful, particularly to learn about how Kobe was coddled by his family and Kevin Powell's thoughts about how growing up in Italy hurt the Kobester's development as an AfAm male, even though he did date sistas up until he met J. Lo. Jr.

NOT

No he didn't.

A friend of mine knew him in high school. THe only reason he went to his prom with Brandy is because the WG he originally asked said no.

Guilty of adultry- YES!

Rape-...I don't know. And I will not make up my mind about it until they hold the trial and all the cards are put on the table.

I think this discussion highlights the issues around sexual history in a rape trial. Many of the post read like if you do not have a pristine record you can be raped and that is okay. Being skanky does not mean it is okay for someone to rape you. It scares me when I see people make those kind of conclusions. Just because someone is promiscuous does not mean she will sleep with everyone, literally. She may say no to someone but because she is promiscuous it sounds like many here would say she could not possibly be a rape victim. Just be careful with those thoughts. You would be surprised the way that can get turned around on you or someone you know in unexpected ways.