"Christian" Org's vs. GLO's
 

Question, does the "Christian" organizations on your campus get along with the Greeks or are they the "you're-all-evil-you-need-to-become-one-of-us" kind?

Oh, if you are wondering why I put "Christian" in quotation marks is because the group on my campus is so anti-Greek that they have done many things "un-Christian" like.

The org that I'm in on campus, Campus Crusade for Christ is greek-friendly. Our leader and MC is in Acacia, I work in A/V and I'm pledging Alpha Phi Omega, and there are several other greeks involved. Some members of our staff are greek as well. As everywhere else at PSU, there are GDIs who hate greeks but overall we are at least in the middle if not pro-greek. Several other organizations aren't the same, especially one that goes around with t-shirts saying "Our Alpha and Omega is 10x better than your fratnernity" :rolleyes: (they are known as being extremely greek hostile) I personally think that Christian orgs are dropping the ball by being anti-greek because in being anti-greek, they are definitely doing what Jesus told us to do. (See Matt 28:19-20 :p ) and it hurts your witness to be a jerk just because you don't like their letters...

Ok, I'm going to go before I start ranting...

It just depends on who you talk to here on my campus. One girl that's in the Baptist Student Union that hates greeks and thinks we're all going to hell. On the other hand, I have several sisters in different christian organizations.

I would have to say that all of the "religious" orgs on campus are not greek friendly.... heck most of the cultural orgs aren't that friendly either. While there are exceptions, most students look down on the various "religious" orgs for being too cult-like (in fact some are banned from campus).

I don't know how the religious orgs. on my campus feel about Greeks.

The campus sentiment is anti-greek in general. But I've never encountered a problem with any of the religious orgs. I don't think they know we exist.

Our BCM was Greek friendly, and has done many things to try and befirend the Greeks, such as host free lunches for them, bake cookies and take them to the houses, but nothing ever got a response. Now all the people that were there then are Greek, and the people left are not Greek friendly at all.

We have both CCC (Campus Crusade for Christ) and Chi Alpha Christian fellowship. And they have a House next door to us, in the middle of greek row. I don't really know much about them, but during work week, they usually come and give us flowers to welcome us back, and of course, telling us that we sing much louder than anyone else on the street. :)

When is was at Ball State in the early 90s, there was a group that went up and down fraternity row while parties were going on, "praying for our souls", because we were all going to hell because we were Greek and led such "sinful" lives. I tried to explain to them that many of us were active Christians, and my big bro said he went to mass every week. This groups leader said something to the effect that wouldn't help because Catholics aren't really Christians!

There used to be this older guy who would preach at the Scramble Light, and he would always single out people wearing Greek letters as they walked past. Here's a true story: My big sis (a Tri Delt) and I were walking to class one day, and she had letters on. This guy is at the Scramble Light, sees her and says "Delta, Delta, Delta, the sorority of Satan!" I gave her crap about that for years afterwards.

Who knew Satan was even female... :p

The Christian and greek communities at my school seemed to exist fairly well side-by-side.

Hillel was another story - but I think that was mainly because a lot of the Orthodox Jews (who tended not to go greek) had some beef with the Reform Jews (who were more likely to go greek). I hear, though, that the pendulum has swung the other way and Hillel is making a concerted effort to reach out to Jewish greeks.

Ah so much for the Christian philosophy!:(

The hypocroscy of it all is so underwhelming!:rolleyes:

Are there Not Jesuit Colleges who have Greek Organizations:confused:

F Them, the rightous do gooders will rot in hell!;)

I love being religonified!:D

In the christian organization I am involved in its very positive as far as accepting greeks. A few members including myself are greek, but most are not. The organization is more concerned with where the person is ibtheir spiritual walk and showing God's love to others, greeks, non-greeks etc. One greek that is in this organization holds an all greek bible study and the campus minister of the organization fully supports her. I hold a leadership position in the organization too and I wear my letters just about every day so......

Hillel usually complements Sigma Alpha Mu, a historically Jewish fraternity. In fact, on some campuses, the Sammy house and the Hillel house are next door! Even though the latter began to accept non-Jews in the early '50s, the two organizations still have a pretty close relationship today.

I can see this thread getting not so nice... Just remember that one organization or some Christians that you meet don't represent the whole of us.

Dittoing Crystal...
Christians are like every other person. Some are supreme jerks, some are the sweetest people on earth (even though we aren't supposed to be jerks :o .) Like everything else, your experience doesn't represent the whole of all Christians.

Hahahaha, I wish someone would say that to me.

UK had the Baptist Student Union, CCC, Cats for Christ, the Catholic Newman Center. Tons of Greeks were involved in those. It was mainly CCC, but I'm sure there were members in other groups. There was even a program every Tuesday called The Rock, which was a Christian program specifically for Greeks. I never ran across any hostility, since so many members of these groups were in fraternities and sororities as well.

Interesting. We didn't have Sammy (actually I think there used to be a chapter, that closed a long time ago) so obviously I didn't see this at my school.

AEPi and AEPhi did a certain amount of Jewish-oriented stuff... for instance, AEPi hosted a break-fast after Yom Kippur every year, open to all undergrads (the grad students did their own thing). The Orthodox wouldn't go. :rolleyes:

In my day, the Orthodox pretty much ran Hillel, but as I said, that seems to be shifting.

I hope this is cats as in the hep-cat sense and not the 4-legged, mouse-chasing variety.

Since AchtungBaby was talking about University of Kentucky, I assume it's cats as in Wildcats.

I think its Cats as in the Kentucky Wildcats... :)

Yes, I go to one. We also had to ask a "Christian" group to leave campus because they were screaming at us for being Catholic sinners. That's the great thing about private schools - you can make stupid people go away! :p

Okay [referencing Kings of Comedy, for those who know] you are officially black right now, lol.

Yay ilk!

Wow... I don't get the whole "Catholic sinners" attitude...which is a good thing I guess. :)

I went to a Christian university before I came to MTSU, and over a third of the campus was Greek. I can't imagine if the organizations or the students in general weren't Greek friendly - there would be hardly anyone to participate in anything.

Marquette is very apathetic to Greek life...I actually joined at my last school, which was a state school. I just can't understand the people who are paying $20,000 in tuition to go to school here who complain about the Catholics everywhere. Right next to our Union is a building called the "Jesuit Residence" and there's two churches and about 8 chapels on campus. What did they think they were getting themselves into?

Some people think Catholicism is a cult, and therefore not Christian.

Some Presbyterians are still at war with Catholics for some reason. They would have been right at home during the Protestant Reformation (which was funnily enough, more about politics than religion).

Good thing we aren't allowed to burn "heretics" anymore.

You assume right! ;)

we haven't really had that problem with my chapter - we have orthodox jewish sisters (as does aepi, sdt and i think a couple of other glo's). hillel always invites the greeks to everything and they have a feed the homeless event that is supported by all the greeks - jewish and non-jewish alike!

as for the other religious organizations you don't really hear much about them - hillel kind of dominates, it has its own building and everything on our fairly small campus. newman club is small but i know one of the few kids who is/was active with them was in zbt.

we had two orthodox girls in my pledge class... it was actually really rough, and they complained when we had events on Friday nights or saturdays, and they refused to wear some Rush outfits because they involved pants. I feel kind of bad that we didnt get close with them, and one ultimately dropped after being initiated. On the whole, my sorority was probably 1/2 jewish when I joined, although it is less now. My family tree was Jewish going back a few years, until I took my two littles, they broke the tradition, haha.

as far as the campus-- we have a liberal, really diverse campus, so I dont think any particular religious group would influence the Greek system in any way. We didn't have any devout Christians in our chapter that I can recall (and most Christians were Catholic anyways). Our campus hates Greek life on the whole (even more this week if you've read the Sigma Pi thread) and I dont think that the Christian organizations necesarily encourage or discourage it. Hillel encourages it- active members of Hillel are in SDT, DG, AXO, Phi Delt, AEPi, among others. i dont know about Chabad, which is mostly Orthodox.

The issue people have with Roman Catholicism is that it isn't Biblical. I don't mean to offend Catholics because most are only doing what they've been taught. And many Catholics are taught not to read the Bible for themselves.

That's the danger of religions-they are man-made junk. The Book of Revelation has letters to the seven churches, one of them the church of Rome (Catholicism). It talks of the offense God has with all the religious figureheads who lead people astray. It's not just Catholicism either. All churches fall short of what the Bible says, because human reasoning and ego get in the way. Catholicism is one of the more obvious targets because they are the biggest organization and their anti-Bible doctrine is so blatant. I could give you a laundry list of Catholic doctrine that is unbiblical ie (Matt 23:9 -Call no man Father (in context to religious figures) but God) If you want to learn the inside scoop on Catholicism and it's history, go to www.chick.com and get a the Alberto Series. An autiobiographical account of a former Jesuit priest , Alberto Riviera ,who exposes all corruption and un-Biblical doctrine in Catholocism.

Christ never said, make religions after me--He said, to follow his commandments, obey the Word of God and be disciples--i.e. examples of the Word.

Many of us Christians don't even know our own history. Here's a link as an example of the pagan origins of Easter. The information in this tract is supported by numerous historical documents including Josephus, the first century historian.


Pagan Origins of Easter

I'm not justifying the tactics and approach the Christians on campus may have taken, just giving some background why they believe Catholicism isn't Christian.

Oh, and don't believe that heretics aren't still being punished. Officials of the Roman Catholic Church are still actively punishing those opposed to their doctrine.It's going on in South American countries as we speak.

Wrong thing to say, dear.

In addition to your opening statement being false (Catholics DO read the Bible and a Biblical reference can be included in whatever doctrine you care to name) if you have to open a post with "I don't mean to offend....." you're GOING to offend.

You got your wrist slapped with the statistical/numerology article, learn from that experience.

No one appreciates genuine faithful zeal more than I do but you're creating enemies where you don't need to.

No further doctrinal discussion will come from me on this thread. Ya wanna discuss? Take it to private email.

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BobraFCD, I'm curious as to what possesses you to think Catholicism isn't Biblically based. You read one article by one disgruntled priest and that's enough for you?

Your post was offensive to me and I'm a very relaxed Catholic. Please think about who could be reading your posts.

I'd be happy to give you a list of non-Biblical RomanCatholic doctrine instituted by man (read the Catholic Encyclopedia -it's where I got it from):

Infant baptism (circa 300 AD by RCC)
Prayers for the dead (implemented in 300 AD by the RCC)
Worship of saints (implemented in 375 AD by RCC)
Mass instituted (394 AD)
Worship of Mary (431 AD)
Priests dressing differently from laymen (500 AD)
Extreme unction (last rites) (526 AD)
Doctrine of purgatory (593 AD)
Prayers conducted to Mary (600 AD)
Worship of images and relics (786 AD)
Celibacy of Priests (1079 AD)
Rosary (1090 AD)
Tradition granted equal authority with the Bible (1545 AD)
Infallibility of the Pope declared (1870 AD)
Mary proclaimed the "Mother of the Church" (1965 AD)

Keep in mind this ROMAN Catholicism I'm talking about and I did
not take the "word of one disgruntled priest". I've studied the Bible, Hebrew, Greek, and history for the past 3 years.


I'm not picking a fight here--just giving some facts as to why many Christians have trouble with Catholicism--much of its roots is pagan worship--the Catholic Encyclopedia admits it! By the way--I don't think that those who follow Catholicism are bad people by any means. I'm not trying to offend anyone but facts are facts. As I mentioned, no church is perfect, but the Bible instructs us not to add or take away from the Word....


But the beautiful thing about America is that we can worship the way we want to.

I'm a godless, feminist, race-mixing, fornicating heathen, and even I know that Roman Catholicism is based on Biblical doctrines and Jack Chick tracts are a heap of isht.

Chick isn't simply trying to bring people into Christianity, he is sponsoring a campaign of intolerance and hatred for those who don't follow the fire and brimstone beliefs that he pushes. Jack Chick tracts are "man made junk."

Don't even get me started on Jack Chick and the rest of his fundamentalist ilk publishing that trash! If it doesn't meet his holier-than-thou standards, then you're going straight to hell.

<-- lapsed Roman Catholic and Freemason (according to Chick, I'm gonna roast for eternity!)

Wow. If adduncan and I are agreeing, something's up around here. ;)

The doctrine of papal infallibility does not mean that everything the Pope says is the word of God. For example, if the Pope rolls out of bed in the morning and says "I like Egg McMuffins" that does not mean we'll be serving them at Mass from now on. Papal infallibility is based on statements the Pope makes when speaking as the Pope the office, not the Pope the person.

The Catholic church does not worship Mary, nor do we worship images or relics. They are there as symbolism, just like how a photo of the Four Founders of Gamma Phi Beta isn't worship or adolation, but respect.

I'll let a better Catholic handle the rest of the issues, should they choose to.

And yes, I am a ROMAN CATHOLIC. I was baptized in a Roman Catholic Church, made my First Communion and Confession at another Roman Catholic Church, and was confirmed at the same church I was baptized at. I also attend a Jesuit school. I might not agree with everything the Pope or my Archbishop says, but it's better than believing Jack Chick.

I was raised Catholic (no longer practicing aka "a recovering Catholic") and it shocked and offended me! :eek:

Oh, if I didn't have mid-terms tomorrow! I am a VERY practicing Roman Catholic - and I KNOW my faith. If you would like I could debunk ALL your 'myths' about Catholicism after I take my exams (one of which is actually Early Christian Church History - and I'm at the University of Wisconsin - Stevens Point which is a public university!).

Here are just a few things to note:

Papal infallibility has only been used about twice in the past 2000 years - both of them around the 1800s (I can get exact dates if you would really like them)!

Praying for the dead is actually in the Bible (I can get you the exact reference).

We do not worship Mary or the saints - we pray WITH them (I can get more theological on this if you would like. . . )


The celebration of the Mass/Eucharist has been around since Holy Thursday. The earliest record of a Christian worship service was in 120AD.

The 'funniest' thing is that it was until 367AD that the Christian Church (now the Roman Catholic Church) formally published the contents of the Bible. The statement of faith was written in 325AD. (Only slightly less funny was being told by someone that Constantine brought Christianity to the pagans and so was the first Pope. . . .)

As I said, I will address each of the 'arguments' (either on the board or in a PM) after I'm finished worrying about the formation of Parliament and the English system of feudalism.

Sarah

P.S. if you want a GOOD site to look at to learn about catholicism try Catholic Answers

Please do, Beryana! You'll do a much better job than the one I got started on. ;)

Don't kill the messenger here--I was just giving information on why many people feel Catholicism isn't Christian. I provided a list of things (direct from the Catholic Encyclopedia) that were implemented long after the Bible was written....

As for me personally, I believe that every church has it's good points and bad points, and we all fall short of what we're supposed to be. For the record, my husband and dearest friends were raised Catholic so I don't have anything personal against anyone who professes to be Catholic.