Fur Coats
 

Ok, so the thread about Siegfried and Roy got me thinking about this...

I'm all for animal rights in a pretty limited sense---I'm not psycho about it at all. I'm not going to put animal health above human health or anything, but I don't want anyone going around smothering bunnies for the hell of it. I'm not gonna be a vegetarian, but if we can I think we should find more humane ways of raising and slaughtering animals. But, is anyone else TOTALLY creeped out by animal furs/skins being a part of clothing/accessories? I find it just wierd, gross, and disturbing. Forget animal rights. I don't want that shit touching me!

How about Leather?

But no, the idea of fur doesn't bother me lol.

Great Line in a movie:

Animal Activist: Do you know how many poor animals had to die to make that coat?

Woman: Do you know how many rich animals I had to fuck to get this coat?

I can deal with leather purses and shoes but nothing else. Even leather jackets get me grossed out.

I don't want any type of fur, but to each their own.

I hate fur coats with a passion! My mom has a mink that has been insured and stored! No matter how much I protest that minks are animals, she gives me a lecture. She tells me that she would never wear furs made from endangered species and the mink is a glamorized (or upper class) rat! I think fur coats are disgusting!

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I myself do not wear fur, but to each her own.

When I was little, my parents and I went into NYC one day, and my mother was wearing her mink. We ran smack into an anti-fur protest. Naturally, my mom got all sorts of insults hurled at her - in front of her 12-year-old daughter. :rolleyes: So, my dad went up to one of the protestors and complimented her on her leather boots. That was the end of that. :p

For me, it's a mixed bag. I don't want to see animals suffer. The idea that the animals are raised solely for their fur seems cruel. And there are animals raised solely for their meat. But I did not have any problem having that steak for lunch.
And yes, usually if you have a leather coat, purse, etc. the animal was probably was used for food and not just its coat, while minks, etc. are used only for the coat.
While it sounds all nice to say I don't want the cute little animals hurt--well I don't--- but there are some sweet fur coats that I would love to call my own.


-wendi

To be honest I've never really given a rat's butt about animal rights. Don't flame me, but I've never really felt passionate about things for or against animal rights.

As far as fur coats go, I think they're ugly and tacky. Kinda reminds me of the Alexis Carrington days on Dynasty.

But then again it doesn't get cold enough here in Hawai`i to wear one anyway.

I never understood throwing red paint on fur coats. The owner will probably go out and buy another fur coat. *shrug*

I like fur! :) I figure if I will wear leather or alligator accessories, why not?

I like animal and everything, but I don't value them as much as a human life.

Furs feel extremely nice and are very warm. That's why we want them, of course. But once you have a fur-bearing animal as a pet - in my case, a rabbit - you just can't fathom making a coat or earmuffs out of anything you love so much, or any of its cousins.

There is really no need for a fur coat these days. It can be simulated with artificial materials - unlike meat - and the animals are only used for the fur and then discarded - unlike leather coats/shoes etc where the whole animal can be used.

I love animals, and I love fur coats. Might be a dichotomy, but that's how it is

Actually, there are some really, really good "fake meat" items out there, that even meat eaters enjoy.

Another Great Quote:

Some PETA morons were protesting meat at some random McDonalds here, yelling "Meat is Murder" Some guy was walking in front of their picket line eating a plain burger patty saying "So Is Coleslaw"

That's so true, Cream! I actually read that that is why anti-fur protesters no longer do the red paint thing. They finally wised up to the fact that their actions were actually stimulating the fur industry.

I like animals, but I also like fur. I personally wouldn't wear one. Pimps are really the only men who can get away with that. I think anti-fur people have the right to their beliefs. But I think they go too far sometimes (i.e. storming the catwalk at last year's Victoria Secret's show to protest against Giselle appearing in fur ads).

I think fur is t-a-c-k-y.

No man who I'd date or marry better even think about wearing fur. Fur doesn't equate with masculine elegance and outstanding grooming, IMO.
;)

I saw a man wearing a fur last year near Central Park. I nearly burst out laughing in his face. I thought that he was Putty from Seinfeld. :p

Hmmm, so if we ate the meat of the animals, then it would be okay? Well, I have eaten stranger things..... :p

Mink and Potatoes anyone?

Also let me point out I would never destroy anyone else's fur coat (or any of their property, period!). Nor am I psychotically morally opposed to fur coats. I just think they're kinda gross. And really, not that stylish. They remind me of dirty old ladies. ew.

I don't own a fur coat, but I do see the need for them...if you live in the Arctic circle or Alaska, Sweden, Norway, Finalnd and Iceland. Not saying that their aren't synthetics that are better, but I can see using them there.

While I think that it's wrong to kill an animal solely for sport or their hide/fur, as long as people keep buying the products it's going to continue. And to be honest, I'm not going to start wearing plastic shoes and give up my leather jacket. It's warm and comfortable.

God forbid that they stopped because they were vandalizing someone else's property!

i love animals. i could never wear fur. it's just really creepy, regardless of how i feel about animals.

i think most members of PETA, while they have good intentions, are completely out of check with reality. they do the most ridiculous things and just get people outraged instead of informed. they could do a much better educational program than the nonsense they do like climbing up buildings and throwing around paint. it gives normal animal activists a bad name and little respect.

i saw a picture the other day--can't remember where---of a woman holding the skinned body of a large animal. i wanted to throw up. the idea that many of these animals are skinned alive so as not to ruin the fur is just sickening. and the carcasses are just tossed in the trash. heartbreaking.

now i really am on the fence with leather. maybe i'm a hypocrite since i wear it. my hope is that they use the rest of the animal for meat when they take the skin for leather. does anyone know for sure?

fur coats remind me of Cruella DeVille (from Disney's 101 Dalmations) :p

Most cows that are slaughtered for beef are not used for leather and vise versa... they are bred for a specific purpose... The meat of a leather cow is to tough, and the leather from a beef cow will not be up to standards.

I love leather, and fur... I mean, who doesn't look good in white rabbit? and yes, I did have a pet rabbit, it's completely a different situation.

Fur is not tacky, it's incredibly warm, and luxurious feeling to the skin.

Besides the fact that I'm allergic to most fur items and it makes me sad to feel like I'm wearing a dog or other cute, furry animal...I think fur is kind of tacky. I really haven't seen anyone wear fur and (in my opinion) look good.

I agree with the fur-is-tacky crowd. I think it's one of those things that once had a place in society, but now there's really no reason for it. There's so many other things that you can wear to keep warm (and look good!) that it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to keep killing animals for it.

Leather is another story. As is eating meat.

I don't think I've seen anybody under the age of 60 owning fur lately. And to be honest, it just LOOKS weird. Why do you want to look like you're wearing an animal pelt on your back?

I like my leather jacket..I like meat..screw PETA pushers :p

Fur is okay, I just prefer leather.

Did anyone get wind of the PETA deal in Huntington WV? They took pictures of Jews from the Holocaust and was comparing them to animals in cages (from processing plants, etc)!!!

Yes..they were actually comparing humans to animals :rolleyes:

I hate PETA.

I don't look down on anyone who wears fur....

But I won't wear it...

There was the cutest ad with a baby harp seal pup in a magazine and I nearly wept...

Can't imagine anyone clubbing a cute thing like that over the head...Their big little eyes alone made me melt...

So it's ok to starve animals? It's ok to squish them into sharp edged cages? It's ok to beat them? It's OK to make them live in their own excrement?

So do you think you are above animals? Do you think you are #1 and deserve better treatment? Do you think that animals were put on this earth for your personal use?

Disgusting AND ignorant to boot.

This is the whole problem with PETA. They go overboard in their tactics and people get so annoyed with them, that they do something they probably wouldn't (like buying fur) just to say "fark you PETA, you're not the boss of me."

And their use of the Holocaust in this sort of promotion is sickening.

I don't agree with PETA's tactics and their use of the Holocaust either.

However, I think it's disgusting when people feel that animals don't deserve to have as good of treatment as people.

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Where does the level of concern stop with animals? I HATE bugs and kill 'em as fast as I see 'em in my house...But I sure wouldn't kill a cute golden retriever puppy if that got in my house!

Why do we assign levels of tolerance to animals?

THIS IS NOT ADDRESSED TO ANYONE...It's a general "throwing it out there" question...

ETA: Also, I know that I personally couldn't slaughter a cow/chicken/turkey, yet I'll eat it...Why do people have an "It's ok because I didn't see it happen/kill the animal myself" sort of view??

i eat meat, chicken and all- slaughterhouses are designed to kill animals, not breed pets. Do I think that they should have great living conditions though? I mean sorry, I am not willing to pay $2.00 a pound more for meat because Mr. Cock a Doodle doo needs a penthouse with a jacuzzi and plenty of feed.
Give him his feed, chop his head off and defeather him.
I have been to a slaughterhouse and seen how they kill animals. For cows it is realy strange because they are just standing there and then they put these things next to its head and send a huge electrical current through, basically frying their brains. I guess that is humane? I don't know. But bessie tastes good.

As for fur, not a fan, I have never seena fur that I thought looked nice. As for leather- very good for keeping the chills gone.. I like leather shoes too.

Do I think I am better than animals? No, just higher on the food chain. I seriously dout lions sit around pondering this $hit.
Can you hear them?
Lioness #1 "Those poor antelope, they are having such a hard time finding good land to graze on and since the water buffalo took over their old lands they are so overcrowded- how can we make thier living conditions better so that we can rip them to shreds and eat them later?"
Lioness #2- "Who gives a flying - - - -? Just kill and eat!"

Why is it disgusting and ignorant to like having a leather jacket? Or is it just fur? What about eating meat? Where does ignorance begin?


I have a problem with PETA equating animal suffering with that of the holocaust. That is pretty disgusting and ignorant. This type of tactic is why PETA alienates so many people.

I'm above animals. In fact, I'm above most other humans.

You can't even for a second compare the way lions and humans have to eat and obtain their food.

Keep trying though.

People eat meat because they like it and don't want to change deep seeded habits.

If people had to kill their own cows, pigs and chickens, I'm sure most of the world would become vegetarian relatively quickly.

I have a large knife, I have no probably slaying animals- I have helped to gut a deer-
I mean seriously if you choose not to eat meat that is cool- but I doubt you could make it in the world without animal products.
I mean they are everywhere...
and what are the lines on this? Don't eat cow but suck the milk from its body?

My personal line:

Don't kill a living thing just so I can eat it and poop it out later.

I do drink milk and eat cheese or eggs, but they all come from a locally farmed cruelty free dairy.

The products I use on my body are almost all organic and natural.

There are people that take it even farther than I do. Vegans. They don't use anything with animal products, and they survive just fine.