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LambdaPapi 09-26-2003 11:38 AM

Lambda Theta Phi Latin Fraternity, Inc.
 
Lambda Theta Phi Latin Fraternity, Inc. was founded on December 1, 1975 at Kean University in Union, New Jersey. We are the FIRST Latin fraternity in the nation. Lambda Theta Phi's goals are to promote scholarship, Latin unity, respect for all cultures and brotherhood. Lambda Theta Phi has set out to accomplish these goals through responsible political and social action. At the moment, we are opposing the Univision/HBC merger that will monopolize Spanish speaking media. A press conference was held at The National Press Club yesturday by our National Board to oppose the FCC's approval of the merger.

The Oldest, The Largest, The Best
The originators of the Latino Greek movement.
Influencing other orgs since 1975.

Fraternal Motto: "En La Union, Esta La Fuerza"

Colors: Brown and White

Nickname: Lambdas
(note: Since 1975, Lambda Theta Phi Hermanos have been known as Lambdas. In the 1980's and 1990's, with the emergence of younger Latino greek organizations, others have used the term to refer to themselves due to the lack of thourough research.)

www.lambda1975.org

chispa1931 10-28-2008 02:34 AM

The First Latino fraternity?
 
Your claim to being the FIRST is absurd.
Do you just forget to research the Sigma Iota, Phi Lambda Alpha, or Pi Delta Phi?
They were really the firsts, even though they were not in existence at the time of the founding of Lambda Theta Phi.
These organizations did merge to become Phi Iota Alpha in 1931.
Yes Lambda Theta Phi was the first to be recognized by NIC, but then you can only use those that for your claim.

knight_shadow 10-28-2008 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by chispa1931 (Post 1736542)
Your claim to being the FIRST is absurd.
Do you just forget to research the Sigma Iota, Phi Lambda Alpha, or Pi Delta Phi?
They were really the firsts, even though they were not in existence at the time of the founding of Lambda Theta Phi.
These organizations did merge to become Phi Iota Alpha in 1931.
Yes Lambda Theta Phi was the first to be recognized by NIC, but then you can only use those that for your claim.

This thread is from 2003. The poster hasn't logged in since October 2003. Chances are he won't see your response.

You know the "who's the first" debate is never going to die. Just do you and be happy with that.

Welcome to GC.

E.Ortiz 03-11-2013 10:21 PM

The First Latin fraternity is Lambda Theta Phi Fraternidad Latina, Inc., (Lambda Theta Phi Latin Fraternity Inc.). On December 1, 1975, Lambda Theta Phi was founded on the campus of Kean College in Union, New Jersey. The First Latin Fraternity founded in the United States.

In 1975, there were no Latino fraternities in existence in the United States. The Greek-letter organizations of the time primarily catered to Anglo and African-American students and graduates. Lambda's founders, as men of vision, realized there was a need to unite the Latino students, develop their leadership skills, impart upon them the value of an education, and instill in them a commitment to their community and culture. The traditional student club would not suffice to accomplish such lofty goals. Hence, Latino unity and brotherhood would be achieved through a long recognized institution - the fraternity. This newest addition to the Greek system would be the first in the nation, by identity and by name: Lambda Theta Phi Latin Fraternity, Incorporated.

Although there is another organization that claims to be the "oldest latino fraternity" Phi Iota Alpha. This organization claims to have been established in 1931. No actual documentation has been provided or presented by Phi Iota Alpha Fraternity Inc. other than the national website and wikipedia references to have factual evidence of the fraternity's establishment and latin origins in the original constitution. In 1984, a group of determined young men at RPI, upon learning about the Latino empowerment and culture that once existed on their campus, took the challenge of reviving the spirit of Phi Iota Alpha. In doing so, these courageous young men became the new generation of Phi Iota Alpha Latino Fraternity, Inc. Briefly after the re-emergence of the Fraternity, in an extraordinary session, the last Secretary General instituted the members of the RPI chapter as the Alpha Chapter. This is the first ever reference to Phi Iota Alpha as a Latino fraternity.

References:

http://www.lambda1975.org/InsideLambda/OurHistory.aspx
http://www.phiota.net/roots/history



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sigmagirl2000 03-12-2013 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by E.Ortiz (Post 2207620)
The First Latin fraternity is Lambda Theta Phi Fraternidad Latina, Inc., (Lambda Theta Phi Latin Fraternity Inc.). On December 1, 1975, Lambda Theta Phi was founded on the campus of Kean College in Union, New Jersey. The First Latin Fraternity founded in the United States.

In 1975, there were no Latino fraternities in existence in the United States. The Greek-letter organizations of the time primarily catered to Anglo and African-American students and graduates. Lambda's founders, as men of vision, realized there was a need to unite the Latino students, develop their leadership skills, impart upon them the value of an education, and instill in them a commitment to their community and culture. The traditional student club would not suffice to accomplish such lofty goals. Hence, Latino unity and brotherhood would be achieved through a long recognized institution - the fraternity. This newest addition to the Greek system would be the first in the nation, by identity and by name: Lambda Theta Phi Latin Fraternity, Incorporated.

Although there is another organization that claims to be the "oldest latino fraternity" Phi Iota Alpha. This organization claims to have been established in 1931. No actual documentation has been provided or presented by Phi Iota Alpha Fraternity Inc. other than the national website and wikipedia references to have factual evidence of the fraternity's establishment and latin origins in the original constitution. In 1984, a group of determined young men at RPI, upon learning about the Latino empowerment and culture that once existed on their campus, took the challenge of reviving the spirit of Phi Iota Alpha. In doing so, these courageous young men became the new generation of Phi Iota Alpha Latino Fraternity, Inc. Briefly after the re-emergence of the Fraternity, in an extraordinary session, the last Secretary General instituted the members of the RPI chapter as the Alpha Chapter. This is the first ever reference to Phi Iota Alpha as a Latino fraternity.

References:

http://www.lambda1975.org/InsideLambda/OurHistory.aspx
http://www.phiota.net/roots/history



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I'm pretty sure we got the idea of how you feel after your first 4 or so identical posts in threads that are years old......

I am glad you have pride in your organization, but I could do without reading about your negativity towards other groups repeatedly.

MysticCat 03-12-2013 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1736545)
You know the "who's the first" debate is never going to die. Just do you and be happy with that.

Is there some reason that it's debatable?

knight_shadow 03-12-2013 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2207674)
Is there some reason that it's debatable?

Yes sir

Kevin 03-12-2013 09:04 AM

If there's a debate, after about 5 minutes clicking around and looking at the fact that at least one of Phi Iota Alpha's forerunners was in a 1920 edition of Baird's, I think Lambda Theta Phi's claim to be the first isn't even debatably true.

knight_shadow 03-12-2013 09:06 AM

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/images/684_467.jpg

E.Ortiz 03-14-2013 03:37 AM

Again there is no proof brought to the table with any constitutional evidence that any prior organization was founded as a Latin fraternity. Yes there could have been members of latin origin as members in a fraternity but that does not make it a latin fraternity. The organization may have been a honor society, music club etc...with greek letters. Further more when your organization dies all of your history dies along with it. Any refounding can not legitimately claim lineage except the coincidence of the letters. Also if a founding date of 1931 how come there is such a big gap 1984 of second chapter that is now the Alpha chapter... doesn't make sense in the greek system.

E.Ortiz 03-14-2013 03:40 AM

oh and your "facts" of the forerunners is found where? we all know wikipedia is not a recognized credible source in research.

knight_shadow 03-14-2013 04:29 AM

You are really too pressed about this.

moe.ron 03-14-2013 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by E.Ortiz (Post 2208042)
oh and your "facts" of the forerunners is found where? we all know wikipedia is not a recognized credible source in research.

Study: Wikipedia as accurate as Britannica

MysticCat 03-14-2013 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by E.Ortiz (Post 2208041)
Again there is no proof brought to the table with any constitutional evidence that any prior organization was founded as a Latin fraternity. Yes there could have been members of latin origin as members in a fraternity but that does not make it a latin fraternity. The organization may have been a honor society, music club etc...with greek letters.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Simonument.jpg


From the 1920 edition of Baird's Manual of American College Fraternities:

http://www.phiota.info/resource/dyna...5459_29871.jpg


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Further more when your organization dies all of your history dies along with it. Any refounding can not legitimately claim lineage except the coincidence of the letters. Also if a founding date of 1931 how come there is such a big gap 1984 of second chapter that is now the Alpha chapter... doesn't make sense in the greek system.
History does not die, and this is all irrelevant to the claim you made:
Quote:

Originally Posted by LambdaPapi (Post 524113)
Lambda Theta Phi Latin Fraternity, Inc. was founded on December 1, 1975 at Kean University in Union, New Jersey. We are the FIRST Latin fraternity in the nation. . . .

If any Latino fraternity was founded prior to December 1, 1975, then regardless of whether that fraternity later died out or not, it was founded before Lambda Theta Pi was, which clearly negates a claim that Lambda Theta Pi was "first." "First" =/= "oldest in continual existence."

E.Ortiz 03-14-2013 08:40 AM

yes the sigma iota was an organization or fraternity of spanish american students but was it a Latin fraternity by definition of its ideals, name, constitution? No one will ever know because it DIED. Regardless Lambda Theta Phi is the First Latin Fraternity and the First to start the current movement known as LGLO's (Latino Greek Letter Organizations). All Latin orgs (except for obviously Phi Iota Alpha) recognized Lambda Theta Phi as the First Latin Fraternity. Since 1975 with a true history and no gaps or questions. Latin from the beginning.

E.Ortiz 03-14-2013 08:41 AM

Btw I enjoy everyones opinion and think its fun.

MysticCat 03-14-2013 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by E.Ortiz (Post 2208065)
yes the sigma iota was an organization or fraternity of spanish american students but was it a Latin fraternity by definition of its ideals, name, constitution? No one will ever know because it DIED.

Since when does the fact that an organization no longer exists mean that nothing can be known about it?

Gamma Xi Phi 03-14-2013 09:59 AM

This argument is ridiculous on many levels, not the least of which is that it doesn't matter who was first. If that's what a member is stuck on, then they're not doing enough to advance their fraternity or community at all.

Gamma Xi Phi 03-14-2013 10:04 AM

I also think this "debate" is far too politically charged to ever have a resolution. It deals with the definition of Latino, the definition of Latin-American, the construction of whiteness in this country, and who is "real."

If Latino and Latin-American are synonymous to you, then Phi Iota Alpha will count. Obviously, it counts to them. For whatever reason, people in Lambda Theta Phi have a different notion of Latino-ness, since on their website they assert to be first. If you ascribe to that reasoning, then LTPhi will be first.

Who really cares? Do some service.

MysticCat 03-14-2013 10:25 AM

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LatinaAlumna 03-14-2013 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by E.Ortiz (Post 2208065)
All Latin orgs (except for obviously Phi Iota Alpha) recognized Lambda Theta Phi as the First Latin Fraternity

How is it that you can speak for all LGLOs now?

Your posts are disappointing. You can uplift your organization through doing actual WORK instead of bashing another. Or did that concept not reach you during your process?

E.Ortiz 03-14-2013 11:10 AM

I have and continue to do various community services to uplift latino's and other minorities in the community. You will never know the process my brotherhood has so you cannot make assumptions on that level. This is a forum of greek chat and if you dont like you may choose to disregard the posts. Unless you have something to add to this thread keep it moving. Lambda Theta Phi breaking molds and barriers so your organization can exist since 1975.

E.Ortiz 03-14-2013 11:24 AM

FACT: The National Board of Lambda Theta Phi has on numerous occasion, since 1998, invited Phi Iota Alpha to a meeting with an independent mediator to present Documentation (original certificate of formation, original constitution, etc...) to validate there claim as to have roots and lineage to the aforementioned fraternal organizations. To this date Phi Iota Alpha has yet to agree or present any factual documentation.
I feel it is still a relevant issue because of the public confusion it causes not only to other greeks but to prospective interests. It may not be a issue for you because your organization does not have to deal with this fraudulent claim from another organization. Respect the issue and thank God for Lambda Theta Phi because without us there would be no you or the LGLO movement that there is today.

E.Ortiz 03-14-2013 11:26 AM

Btw not for nothing but Gamma Xi Phi you wouldn't understand.

knight_shadow 03-14-2013 11:26 AM

Without you there's be no us, eh?

I'm sure that our founders hopped on Wikipedia when they were creating our organizations and modeled themselves after Lambdas.

You are trying way too hard and it's making you look pressed.

E.Ortiz 03-14-2013 11:33 AM

Mystic Cat, instead of wikipedia, where in the system of higher learning and research is not a credible or accepted reference, where is the documentation for any claims?? I am an accountant and when you do an audit there must be documentation for every claim. That will close this issue. Lambda Theta Phi has ORIGINAL documents of formation, etc...

E.Ortiz 03-14-2013 11:44 AM

Knight Shadow as ODPhi grows we smile like a proud father that sees his son make it. "En La Union Esta La Fuerza"

Gamma Xi Phi 03-14-2013 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by E.Ortiz (Post 2208099)
Knight Shadow as ODPhi grows we smile like a proud father that sees his son make it. "En La Union Esta La Fuerza"

http://media.tumblr.com/3353fcdfe22a...5xz1qz4rgp.gif

E.Ortiz 03-14-2013 11:47 AM

Gamma Xi Phi dont you have band camp or a recital or something...this is for real Latino Greeks.

MysticCat 03-14-2013 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E.Ortiz (Post 2208097)
Mystic Cat, instead of wikipedia, where in the system of higher learning and research is not a credible or accepted reference, where is the documentation for any claims?? I am an accountant and when you do an audit there must be documentation for every claim. That will close this issue. Lambda Theta Phi has ORIGINAL documents of formation, etc...

http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/...a/1e9ae20f.gif

Quote:

Originally Posted by E.Ortiz (Post 2208101)
Gamma Xi Phi dont you have band camp or a recital or something...this is for real Latino Greeks.

You really are not helping your credibility, which isn't a good thing as you didn't have much to begin with.

Step away from the keyboard and grow up.

E.Ortiz 03-14-2013 12:00 PM

LOL, I love it... your worried about what I do. you must be the skin flute player of gamma xi phi during the christmas concert.

knight_shadow 03-14-2013 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E.Ortiz (Post 2208099)
Knight Shadow as ODPhi grows we smile like a proud father that sees his son make it. "En La Union Esta La Fuerza"

And while you are pressed about this chicken-and-the-egg issue, I'm focusing on my organization's service and social initiatives.

badgeguy 03-14-2013 12:02 PM

This debate reminds of me of another debate when one of the early member of the Sigma Pi fraternity tried to claim that Sigma Pi was founded BEFORE Phi Beta Kappa in 1776, and their only claim was that they said the letters S P on the back of the key stood for Sigma Pi! William Baird, founder of the Bairds Manual to American College Fraternities, was able to get to the bottom of it and the case was solved, and at the time was sort of a black eye to Sigma Pi until they re invented them selves and became a very strong organization.

Just an FYI
BG

knight_shadow 03-14-2013 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gamma Xi Phi (Post 2208100)

Tamar has given me everything this week.

MysticCat 03-14-2013 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E.Ortiz (Post 2208105)
LOL, I love it... your worried about what I do. you must be the skin flute player of gamma xi phi during the christmas concert.

http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/...f/fd9da696.gif

E.Ortiz 03-14-2013 12:05 PM

http://www.lateenough.com/wp-content...anilla-Ice.jpg gamma xi phi founding father, LOL

E.Ortiz 03-14-2013 12:07 PM

Good job Knight Shadow glad myself and my organization could break down barriers for other organizations to grow. This is all in fun but some people are now taking it personal

thetalady 03-14-2013 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2208109)

I vote MysticCat for the win! Love this

E.Ortiz, this is really NOT the forum for you to come spew your rancor and divisiveness. Go away... just go.

E.Ortiz 03-14-2013 12:12 PM

badge guy, great input there is a way to end the debate but the other party is absent to meet at the table. Maybe one day they will lose the skirt put on some pants and be men.

E.Ortiz 03-14-2013 12:13 PM

The Gif's are hilarious...good job everyone for making it fun for all our readers


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