Illegal police intimidation on NOV 7
 

This is happening in NY but be careful in other states. It is speculated that Republicans hired off duty police officers and correction officers to patrol voting sites and intimidate immigrants in poor neighborhoods. Let me state what I just heard on the news POLICE HAVE NO JURSDICTION INSIDE THE VOTING PLACE. You do not have to show any ID to vote. Don't let police or anyone intimate you … and for those that don't know how to use the machine, I am sure you can fine a nice old lady in the place to help you. If God spares my life I plan to vote at 6am, so I should be able to help anyone figure out what's what via voice mail or e-mail.

Also another story is that if you registered via DMV you may have a problem voting tomorrow, but YOU SHOULD STILL BE ABLE TO VOTE!! Inquire with the person in charge of that site and you will be able to vote on NOV 7.

Don't settle for NO - take names and id numbers down ….. leave the site and make some calls if you have any problems, yes it is that serious!!

ADDED-> OKAY B4 I get in trouble, I must say DO CARRY ANY AND ALL TYPE OF ID TO THE POLLS WITH YOU FOR THE JUST IN CASE TYPE SITUATION, BUT IN NYC DON'T FEEL OBLIGATED TO SHOW IT ... I just want to make the point that intimidation is not on the ballot, catch my drift!!

[This message has been edited by LadyAKA (edited November 07, 2000).]

I haven't heard about the intimidation by the police but the registering with the DMV is true.

I changed my registration with the DMV in February when I renewed my license. Yesterday, I went to my local board of election to find out which precinct to vote in and they told me I was not on the books.

Anyway to make a long story short, I was able to vote today with a provisional ballot which will be counted.

Please everyone remember that different states have different laws. It is a GA law that you must show ID when you vote. If you do not have ID you will not be allowed to vote. PERIOD! There has been some problems in the past with voter fraud in some rural areas, hence the law. Also, if you are voting for the first time, don't wait until the last minute to vote. during the primaries several people in my district missed their opportunity to vote because they came to the wrong polling place and it was too late to go to another.

Thank you Eclipse for the clarification ...

PLEASE, bring your ID and voter's registration card with you to the polls, just in case they don't have you on the rolls. It's just easier that way. And only show it to the proper election judges. A lady at my polling place was getting loud with election judges this morning because she didn't bring her ID and they wouldn't let her vote...I'm like, why would you leave home without your ID anyway? Nevertheless, bring it! And call your Board of Elections if you suspect anything funny going down.

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I am a resident of NC and if you by chance forget your ID, Voter registration card, etc you are still allowed to vote because they should have you on roll if you registered. Even if you are not on the list of registered voters for whatever reason you may still vote by a provisional ballot.

LadyAKA:

Sorry for the long post, but I was confused about something when my husband and I went to vote today. Maybe you or someone else can explain it. After giving our addresses to the poll workers and signing our names, everyone was pointed to a particular booth for their respective districts. HOWEVER, each person was assigned a number and there was a notation made on a card as to what each person's number was. We had to stand in line IN ORDER and vote according to our numbers. Well, a couple of women saw people they knew, wandered off the line to talk, and suddenly it seemed to be a minor issue with the poll workers about them being in the right order in line.

I understand making sure a person is a citizen, but why the cards and making sure that people are lined up in a specific order? That sounded like some method of identifying a person and being able to tell how he or she voted.

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It' s funny that you mention that because I have never seenthis before when voting. I asked myself the same question. The poll workers were all neiborhood people I know, but the counter was taking a specifiv count of how many people were voting and the voters name was put in specific order according to the vote. I live in NY (Democrat) and I was wondering if anyone else had the same experience.

There have been many lies told to us (Minorities) my mother told me when the primary was going on that I coulg not vote if I missed the primary. I knew this was not true because I have voted before and not voted in the primaries, it is a conspiracy to see to it that black people don't vote. It disusts me to see blacks saying "Oh myu vote doesnt matter." when it definitely does!!! the polls are closed now an I hope that everyone went and voted today...


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You are so right because as I type this, the votes in Florida are being recounted. The electoral votes from this state could push the Bush over the top!! Considering this is his brother's state AND the fact that it is South Florida where there is a HUGE REPUBLICAN CUBAN population, we could be in for 4 more years of the Bushes!!



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Epitome and Diva_56 as far as I am concerned this headcount thing has been around for a long time, there is nothing illegal to it ...as a matter of fact I suppose they just want to make sure that no one slips in an votes without signing their name. The number I got was based on what machine I used (not talking about districts - I am talking about 3 machines for my district and I used #2) ... there was no logical order or real counting system.
So, if you felt weird I would have asked the attendant what that number was for. Anyway, it is up to Florida now, and as another post says GORE's WINNING VOTE WILL BE FROM THE LORD, so let's pray together ... please post here and let me know you are praying if you are for Gore, but if you are for Bush ....well, to each his/her own!

When I went to vote, I signed in as #189 and my mother was #190. She thinks that somehow they keep track of our voting patterns. I believe they do it for something more than a headcount. Afterall, how would they know that a candidate carried the "black vote" or the "latino vote", etc. unless they know how we voted.

LadyAKA, I'm most definitely praying for Gore to succeed in Florida. I heard that Nader had received something like 96,000 votes. I would have swapped votes with someone in Florida because my Gore vote in South Carolina didn't help much. This is solid Republican territory.

Soror AKAtude you bring up a good point about the numbering thing, I am still in the dark about it and I am also in the dark about this swap thing, everyone is mentioning it and I don't know what it is ... shoot I will swap to - FOR GORE of course, but I guess it is toooo late. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif

P.S. sad face will probably be on all day because I am still tense and stressed ...

p.s.s. Nader I hear is now getting money from Bush, I don't know the whole story but I think they both represent the Devil .... I am such a conspiracy theorist

i have put my prayer requests in. i hope Bush does not win.

My prayers are strongly with Gore winning. Funny thing is that I've been somewhat dispassionate about the candidates, although I knew all along that I'd be voting Democratic up and down. Now, I'm tense, nervous, and depressed! I stayed up til midnight and was back up at 4:30am. I'm really looking with increased anxiety at the fact that the Republicans now control both the House and the Senate-with Bush in the executive office will also be Republican... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif

On a side note, my experience with voting was quite challenging! In the past two elections, I've lived in predominately white voting districts in Maryland (right outside of DC). Each time that I voted, I was able to get in and out within 15-20 minutes. I live in a predominately black voting district and can I just tell you that it took every bit of an hour! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gif Sister was just determined to get her vote in; however, I realize that others may have been discouraged and not voted!

I just received an e-mail that has a copy of the Florida ballot which demonstrates how voters may have been confused and voted for Buchanan instead of Gore. For those interested shoot me an e-mail and I'll forward it.

I need to vent...again!

President Clinton said so and it is true- never again will anyone be able to say their vote does not count! I wonder how much of an increase we will see in future elections as a result.

Also, George "Wimp" Bush says that as president he will work hard to gain the confidence of Gore supporters. What, is he nuts?!?! He will never earn my confidence, trust, support, approval, or future vote!

Now, I feel a wee bit better...for the time being.

Instead of e-mailing for the 411 on the Florida ballot, here is a weblink:> http://cnews.tribune.com/news/image/...-82373,00.html

We still have to realize that the POPULAR vote does not ELECT a President. It is the vote of the MEMBERS of the ELECTORAL COLLEGE.

However, this could have been a race for Mayor, Senator, etc. THEN YES, IN THAT INSTANCE...EVERY VOTE DOES COUNT!

I agree with you all ... this is just waaaaay too much! I am stressed out like you wouldn't believe. Anybody who believes that all this drama is mere coincidence is completely dillusional. Here is a link I received via email regarding those missing ballots in Florida. Can we all say C-O-N-SPIRACY?

http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/...llotbox.found/


[This message has been edited by SkeeBunny (edited November 08, 2000).]

I'm watching Inside Edition I am just like...WHOAH!

Florida had some ole rinky dink ballots that confused alot of the voters. I am like...here in Louisiana, we had computerized voting. I thought Florida, being PROGRESSIVE http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif and all that they would come better than that!

Anyway, those voters may have voted for Buchanan accidentally. Buchanan received over 3,000 votes in Florida. Many of those votes could have been for Gore...

What's really going on?

AKA2D '91 I have to respectfully disagree, the popular vote USUALLY leads the electoral vote, only twice in history has it gone astray. So, I have to make the statement that everyone's vote counts ALL OF THE TIME!
No matter when, why and where you vote!! Vote cause it does count!!

It is important Soror, FOR ALL OF US TO VOTE, but in instances like this for the ELECTION of a PRESIDENT, the Electoral College REALLY DECIDES, then after that IT CAN GO TO THE HOUSE of Representatives..., that is in AN EXTREME case...

I know I maybe getting up there in age, and I DON'T remember like I used to... but this POLITICAL SCIENCE degree does come in handy from time to time. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

DANG! I DO GET TO USE IT! LOL

All I know is that I am scared. I don't see how any self respecting minority or homosexual or woman could vote for Bush. He is so anti anything except WASP.

I have my bags packed to move to Canada. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Especially since this Voters Rights Act thing is coming up in about six years.

I do believe that your vote counts. If I am not mistaken, the Electoral Vote is kind of based upon the popular vote. At least the majority. Like if most people in one state voted for Gore than all of the state electoral votes go to him, it is not split like popular votes are. That is how Gore (so they say)could lose the electoral but win the popular.

Another thing why does it seem that everyone (reporters) swares that Bush has won. Florida has absentee ballots that still have about 9 days to even arrive in the state. So if Bush is only winning by a few thousand then if the absentee ballots come in for Gore that could change everything.
REMEMBER the eletoral college does not meet until Dec 16, 2000. SO REALLY we won't know until then. Even some of them cheat and vote against who they agreed that they would vote for.

Keep praying that this remains the land of the free for EVERYONE

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I'm hooked on CNN's website today! Something that bothers me as well is that there are voters in Palm Beach who voted for Pat Buchanan, but meant to vote for Al Gore. They say there is obviously a problem because Buchanan's votes were too high. This is driving me crazy!

[This message has been edited by AKAtude (edited November 08, 2000).]

Good morning all!

First of all....the Voting Rights Act has nothing to do with our right to vote....that's guaranteed by the 15th Amendment. The VRA simply outlaws the government from doing anything to hamper anyone's right to vote. If neccessary, Congress can extend the act...(judging by FL elections....it is) I can say that Florida IS NOT PROGRESSIVE at all! Do not be fooled! And please....somebody say a prayer for me because I work for the Dem. party down in FL and I expected to be resting easy right about now......it ain't so! Keep the faith, hopefully what't right and fair will prevail (if not I am England-bound!) Take care!

AKA2D '91, If I were reading this and had no idea about Electoral College & popular vote (which many, young and old really don't understand) I would think my vote does not count. So, I have to beg to differ yet again!! I do not have a Poly Sci degree I graduated w/ a CSC degree and so maybe the statistical / analyzing wizard is coming out in me?!?!
Let us contemplate over the following:
1) The states that Gore won the popular vote (i.e. you and me voting for him and he wining) did he not also 'Technically' take that states Electoral College votes? I think yes
2) Why don't we have a president yet for 2001? Because the world is waiting for f'ed up Jeb Bush town to recount messed up popular votes, and so far Bush is winning … so is it safe to say that winner of the popular vote there will take the Electoral College votes also? I think yes EC votes usually follows pop vote

So why would you say that our popular votes does not count and does not elect the president? To my understanding, our popular vote elects electoral college and then based on who Al Gore and bush choose to represent them, then on December 18, electoral college votes based on what the people (i.e. popular vote) wants. As stated once before this has only gone astray twice in History, true it can happen again, but I would be careful saying our vote does not elect the president because I think it does … that is why split voting and voting for Nader in states Gore should win, is just not good enough, vote for the person you want to win. All news stations are now talking about how Gore is winning popular vote Nationally …. He could not do this without us voting for him.

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My sister clued me into this, we feel that
Jeb bush purposely messed up the votes in Florida, maybe he was not the one who did it but the state knowingly committed all this fraud because if it is found out that some type of fraud was committed the votes are thrown out, no one will re-vote!! Congress will cast the vote, and guess what Congress is majority Republican. So yes, bad stuff is going on in Florida but they knew that they would win either way. 1) if people just let the fraud go on - bush wins via this fraudulent activity, or 2) if they were caught doing illegal stuff and charged, it does not matter Congress will vote their boy in anyway!!! What do yall think? I am at the point were if Bush wins, he won't hold office for the entire 4 years, and if he does he will definitely not be reelected!!!

Oh and I found out that constitutionally you DO NOT NEED AN ID or a registration card to vote, so if a state is doing that (or was) then it is illegal and unconstitutional and you DO NOT NEED TO COMPLY, you just need to sign your name on the dotted line on the affidavit stating you are who you say ....nothing else is needed - bust as I said b4 carry ID, but you SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PULL IT OUT. Our vote is over but in years to come you can use this info.