MTV Diary: Beyonce' - Destiny's Darling
 

I am watching MTV Diary: Beyonce'. She is recapping all of the things that happened while she was at the MTV Video Music Awards. Is anyone else watching? She said that "Sasha" is her alter ego -- she said that she loves Chris Rock and so does her Seabiscuit.
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Just curious....
 

Question/Concern:

Did Kelly Rowland receive the SAME publicity when her CD came out? or even when she played in the movie with Jason and nem? :confused: Did Kelly have her OWN Diary?

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm. :confused:

*coughnewmanagement, Kellycoughcough*

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- The two original girls left Destiny's Child,because they felt Beyounce's father(their manager)was treating Beyounce differently from the other group members. Personally,I would NOT want to be in a group with 1 main lead singer. They will always be in the spotlight,which could lead to them getting the "BIG head." In a group,each member should get to sing lead. A group is about sharing and being treated equally. So,I agree with your last statement.

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I don't know. I kinda have to disagree with this one simply because I don't believe that Kelly would have gotten this far had it not been for Destiny's Child and the management of Mathew Knowles. That and the fact that it's not the fault for Beyonce, Kelly or Mathew Knowles that a lot of people are so receptive and intrigued by Beyonce as opposed to Kelly (or Michelle). Think about it like this: Mathew Knowles is the manager of both Beyonce and Kelly (unless I'm mistaken). I'm sure that the man is smart enough to try to market them both equally hoping for the same success for both of them. Why? Because it will bring him more money. If Kelly's album does well...more money for him. If Kelly's movie career blows up...more money for him. Again, all he can do is put them out there. It's up to the media and the public to accept them and obviously right now everybody is loving Beyonce. And of coarse every parent who love and care for their child want to see him or her do well. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I think the majority of us will be the same way. And finally, if Kelly Rowland isn't having a problem with the way her career is being managed who are we to criticize? We aren't getting paid for it. ;)

IMO, it just seems like Beyonce is EVERYYYYYYYYYYWHERE! I don't think Michelle nor Kelly were ALLLLLL over the place when there CDs dropped individually.

They weren't. For example look at this Friday:

1. The Fighting Temptations comes out
2. Beyonce will be on no less than three (3) talk shows: Wayne Brady, The View, and Oprah.

Not to mention the fact that this movie has been getting promoted like crazy on MTV. There are commercials, a Movie House special, Beyonce's diary, AND they did a special on Gospel music and made a point to include the movie.

While I agree that Kelly may not have gotten this far without the help of DC or the Knowles family, you've got to admit that both she and Michelle are NEVER in the spotlight as much as B.

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I would love to be in the background shoo-whopping my way into paying for my house, my parents's house, my car, my parents' cars and my graduate education. As I sit here on the internet looking on monster and responding to threads in a chat room, I ponder what I am going to do as a money-making scheme so that I can work and make money at the same time. I am actually contemplating buying a lottery ticket or two since you can't win if you don't play. I don't need to bling, bling . . . I would be OK with blink, blinking. Let me be a part of a group dancing around and hollering/singing/screaming into a microphone. I would do it with no questions asked -- me and my grammy and my millions . . .
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OK....
 

My outlook on the whole group situation changed after watching Driven on VH1. Of course B is going to get the spotlight, her vocals are stronger than everyone else. It wouldn't have matter if it were Mr. Knowles, Clive Davis or Puffy. Those girls would have been treated the same way.

If it was me, do my clothes, hair and make-up, and hand me a mic to drop a note every now and then. Shucks, why sing I'd just lip sync. As long as I'm getting that nice check I wouldn't have gotten had I been doing something else. I'll cut them some slack though. They were young, hadn't had a taste of the real world and couldn't see the bigger picture.

AMEN!

I would hope that if my father or mother owned a company that I wouldn't get treated the same as the other employees. Nepotism is nepotism and if I am not going to get any benefits from working for my parents/having my parents work for me then why continue to do so. I don't blame her parents for thrusting her to the forefront -- I would do the same for my child (if I ever meet a man that I want to have children with). http://www.1-2-3-gaestebuch.de/smilies/049.gif

The Fighting Temptations is getting so much promotion on MTV b/c the studio that made the movie is a part of the MTV umbrella.

Kelly's CD did very well overseas and she is big over there, but it didnt quite catch on in the states.

Michelle's album did well in gospel circles, but that is it. She's working on a second one, I think.

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Destiny's Child was created in order to launch Beyonce's career. i could see that from Day 1 because the "spotlight" was constantly on her (in videos, interviews, etc.). I can't say that I blame the originial two girls for leaving, especially if the image of the group was presented in such a way that every member would get a chance to shine (sing lead, etc.).

Michelle, IMHO, has GREAT vocal ability (Her gospel CD was pretty good) and she looks good on camera and off. She has potential.

But to be honest, Kelly just doesn't interest me at all. She sings ok, but so far I haven't liked ANY of her new material and I don't think she's that "photogenic" either.

I think it all boils down to who has a marketable image and the right folks backing them.....Kelly vs Beyonce, Rueben vs Clay, etc..........

Clay is going to be on The Miss America Pageant and they are advertising him as "American Idol Clay Aiken."

Michelle of DC:

I saw her last year in Vegas with Luther, Gerald Levert, and Angie Stone and her voice was WEAK. I dunno how she sounds on her CD, but in person....naaaaaaaaa. http://greekchat.com/forums/ubb/icons/icon13.gif

I AGREE! I've heard her perform her gospel songs - not in person though. To me, she sounds like her throat hurts or she has a cold. Her voice sounds horrbily raspy. I'm glad she has stayed in DC because I would hate to see them go through another change, but it doesn't seem like she has really ever fit in with Beyonce and Kelly. It's kind of like they were all trying too hard.

I thought that her voice was nice when she sung her little part on the song Survivor (remember that?), but when she came out with her first gospel single her voice didn't sound all that great to me. I thought that it was just that song. I haven't listened to anything else by her so I really don't know.

Ok.....
 

I saw some of the Diary with Beyonce, but I had to miss the other part because of class.

I think she is more out there in the media and everything because she works hard. She has the attitude of whatever I have to do, then so be it. Not to say that Kelly isnt the same way, but you didnt see her anywhere trying to promote her then new album when it came out. I mean you may have seen her on BET, but that was about it.

I think that people are use to seeing Beyonce because she was so much out in the front of DC. Thats all you saw whenever DC performed. Remember, Beyonce and dem. Matthew was always having her answer the questions in interviews and on tv and whenever the other two opened their mouths, they were praising her (Beyonce).

Dont get me wrong Im not a fan, but she is working her a$$ off, far as what she needs to do to get ahead. I mean she is doing her thing, BUT at the same time, being with Jigga is getting her all over the place too as far as him helping her write some of her album and them performing at the VMAs etc just to name a few. Of course, on the movie front I would like to assume that she is doing her OWN thing, but who knows? :confused:

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You can't do ANYTHING unless your MANAGER sets it up. This is the WHOLE POINT. Matthew has his picks...AND HIS DAUGHTER IS IT!

Friday, Beyonce is going to be on The View and Oprah tomorrow.

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Yes but managers are about making MONEY. He gets a cut of EVERYTHING that they do, and while I am sure that to some extent he seeks opportunities for them, they are at a level where his job is sorting through what comes to them from the many, man sources that want to work with the group. If someone offered him MONEY for Kelly or Michelle I DOUBT he'd say no just for Beyonce. That family is about business.

People want Beyonce. Say what you want about Kelly 'n em but nobody talks about them or really cares what they do. On her own, she would probably be at about a Keke Wyatt level of fame- just famous for being on other people's tracks for 15 minutes. Beyonce is the star quality, she just is.

Of course if Kelly starts dating 50 or somebody like that and hits the red carpet then that'll change, but she has never been in demand.

Whatever!
 

They aren't talking about them because HE is NOT putting them OUT THERE! He isn't working them like hebrew slaves. At one point, Beyonce will melt(down).

IMO, he's doing the minimum (just to say he's doing something) for the other two. If they like it, I love it. There is a difference in his technique where Michelle and Kelly are concerned.

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I agree with AKA2D. I do not believe that the focus in on promoting Michelle or Kelly and that it was not on them even when their solo projects dropped. I do think they dropped Beyonce's last in order to give the appearance that it was not all about her but that was mostly a result of Latonya and Latavia suing them over this issue. When one person's entire family is running the business, there is no one in the world who could convince me that they are not going to favor the family member even if it is unintentionally. From the beginning the group was not balanced and Beyonce’ was the clear center. When Farrah left and put them on blast for all the ways they worked to keep Beyonce the center, I am sure there was some truth to her allegations.

I see the manager's job to sort through the offers that are coming in but also to seek out opportunities if not enough offers are coming. I do not get the feeling that Kelly was promoted very effectively or enthusiastically. Her album came out at a time when she was hot and riding high on a number one collaboration with Nelly. It did not seem that even that fact was used to its maximum potential to me.

We have artist running around who are "on top" for no other reason than superior management. They have truly made them stars and they are not coming from the best selling girl group of the time. I just do not feel like there is any reason why it could not have been so with Kelly and Michelle. I do think it would be DRAMA FO YO MAMA if either one were to want a different manager for their solo career.

I will wrap this all up by confessing that I am a DC fan and a Beyonce fan and I do think she is the most talented. I do not feel the fact that DC does not seem much like a group too often and more of Beyonce and her back up singers and I do not feel the way Michelle and Kelly practically genuflect when they talk about Beyonce in interviews.

Beyonce has more market value because offffff....... :confused:? Maybe we will get more into the light/dark issue :confused: Keeping your clothes on/off issue :confused: what? Long hair/short hair issue... what? :confused: Long legs/short legs...big thighs (hips)thigh (hips)...

Let's remember her father was a IBM executive...a salesman! HE is responsible for sales. HE SALES Beyonce! He MARKETS Beyonce. HE IS THE PRIME REASON WE SEE HER OR DON'T SEE HER, KELLY, AND MICHELLE.

I guess we'll agree to disagree.

There are plenty of artists who are on top due to superior management, but the management wouldn't be there if they didn't have the charisma to make them stand out.

Kelly has done plenty of stuff- I have seen her in at least two movies that were very well promoted and she had her solo album.

I donloaded that album. It was boooring and not worth my money.

I downloaded the Beyonce album. It was fiyah and I'm buying it.

They both had the same musical and production talent behind them, the diffrence is that Beyonce wrote hers- and I don't think that Matthew Knowles went to the producers and told them not to make Kelly's stuff good, because that would mean less money for him. She only got played on VH1 for a reason.

As for the color thing, I think that IS one reason that Beyonce is in the spotlight, but I would consider it more of a factor if I felt their main/only audience was black, simple beause I know how WE do. To the white audience we are all "negroes" regardless of tone. It would be a bigger issue to me if she was mixed.

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I agree with you and lovelyivy.

Managers have a lot of say in where their artists are going to do appearances. But step back and look at the bigger picture for a minute. If you are looking at Beyonce, Kelly, and Michelle on an individual level, can you really expect them to be on an even playing field?

Beyonce looks better (according to America's standards of beauty), sings better, performs better, acts better, and just in general has far more charisma and appeal.

Kelly and Michelle will forever be in the background if they are grouped with someone like Beyonce who simply outshines them. And it is not something that Matthew or ANYONE can control, much of that is just natural ability/God given talent.

I just can't see someone who is as greedy as Matthew Knowles (allegedly) is deliberately sabotaging or underming the career of 2 of his own acts. Especially because you have to invest a certain amount to get the albums produced and promoted meaning he could potentially lose money.

Are the people who think that Beyonce is being marketed differently saying that Michelle and Kelly have as much talent as she does? Or are y'all saying that Matthew should work double time to promote them?

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I saw the Diary, and you know what? Despite her often horrible nappy weave she is very attractive and down to earth. I never and going me jumping and shouting on the Beyonce band wagon, but she is talented, personable and pretty, what is really not to like about her? I have also noticed she has moved away from the "nest weave" and opted for a much better job on the hair.

Oprah and Beyonce' were pee-poppin' on national television. I liked the show. First of all, I like Selma Hayek, so I was already smiling, but there is something about the way that Oprah can make someone feel about a guest. I smiled when Beyonce' was on the show -- I smiled while she was talking about her group -- I smiled when they showed pictures of her and Sean in St. Tropez -- I smiled . . . good show and good idea to get her on the show.

edited to add that I smiled when she said that she has a lifetime membership card to Popeye's -- she won't use it because she is embarrassed, but that's another interesting little tidbit.

Four words: Nothing but the truth.

First of all, Kelly has a strong voice, the girl can sing. The new style she rocked at the VMAs suited her and her old ver short cut was too cute. Unlike Beyonce she has not had nearly as many fashion or hair trains (perhaps because Kelly's body is mor proportionate than Beyonce's). And while I think Beyonce does have vocal and song writing talent so does Kelly. I think the Knowles don't know how to be objective. Matthew has Beyonce up their rubbing with other celebrities and networking so they'll say wonderful things about her and in turn convince the whole world. I'm a business major, I was taught If you want to sell something you have to convince the other person they want what you're trying to offer. Attitudes are more important than facts. If you put Beyonce up there as the best and she gives off that appearance then most likely others will accept her as the best.

In the end, if Kelly and Michelle are willing to settle with Matthew then that's something they'll have to answer for when asked why they never performed up to their potential.

I totally agree with you. When Destiny's Child was at their peak, I wasn't big on Beyonce because I thought she was taking over. But I do see now that she is a hard worker and seems to be down to earth. She can dance. She's beautiful, talented, and nice. What's not to like?
I think that the incident that caused Latoya, Latavia, and Farrah to leave was a little exaggerated. I'm sure Matthew is no doubt very controlling and tends to spotlight his daughter a little more, but at the same time, those three girls were probably hating on B. If Destiny's Child was managed by another group, would Beyonce be marketed as much as she is now? I think so. People want Beyonce and it's as simple as that. In fact, were the hell are Latoya, Latavia, and Farrah??? If they possessed the same level of star quality, I'm sure someone would've picked them up and we would've heard from them by now.

As many threads as we have about successful people who CANNOT sing and those who can sing and do not seem to make it big on GC, do you really beleive this is true?

Unfortunately Isabel preempted Oprah in Baltimore. I was all set to watch it since I was home for a change and they didn't show it. Did she say anything interesting? Did Oprah get her to comment at all on her relationship with Jay-Z?

The only interesting thing that I heard was the fact that she said she did not like her ears because they are big. I only found this funny because I remember this was a GC topic a while ago.

They showed pics of her and Jay-Z on vacation in St. Tropez (sp?). Oprah asked but Beyonce said that she likes to keep her private life private. However, I saw a new pic of them in Us magazine, again on vacation, with his hand all up her butt, and I mean that literally.:o

i saw that picture too...it was literally on a cheek and up the crack....she lost a few cool points on that one!

CTFU yet grossed out all at the same time.

My sister taped the show. Oprah said "there are rumors about a relationship with you and rapper Jay-Z." and B. nods her head and says "yes." But then Oprah kinda deflected the whole thing by telling her to keep her private life to herself and how she wishes that she had never mentioned "what's his name's name." (referring to Steadman).

- B nodded her head "yes" to say "yes,there have been rumors about her and Jay-Z," but she never said yes or no to them actually having a relationship. In my opinion,when people are in the light like she is...things like that should be private. They already get enough attacks on every other aspect of their life,why bring people into your relation(s).

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I think its safe to say that her personal life went out the window when she basically made a whole 3/4 of a CD about her relationship. You dont have to talk about the specifics, but we can conclude that there is "somebody rockin knockin the boots".

She I mean I dont wanna know about what goes on behind closed doors anyways. Its still a little freightening.

On the other hand, more power to her.

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