Thesis help
 

Hi all

I need help from anyone is willing to help me. I am a psych major going for my masters and I need to do a thesis paper. I was wondering if anyone who was hazed during there pledge period could help me out. All things given will be used with no names attached. Everything will be done anonymously. I need to know even if u didn’t get initiated what types of things were done to you and how each thing mentally affected you. See my thesis is that even though being in a sorority or fraternity can be a good thing physical and mental hazing can hurt you in the long run. So please anyone that is willing to please let me into there lives and give me info would be really helpful. Also please do all of this through pm because I don’t really want other people reading this and I’m sure most of you don’t either. Thanks again in advance.

All surveys of members of NPC Groups need to be approved by NPC. Have you spoken to them about your survey?

touchy subject..for some

no i havent yet because i first need to see how much info i can collect cause if i cant collect enough im gonna have to throw the whole thesis out and start again, so im not even sure if this gonna work yet. Also if you have any idea on who or how i could get in contact with someone from npc that would really help me out because i dont have any clue. Thanks

Does this seem just a little shady to anybody else? I just can't see a grad student making all those spelling errors when appealing for research.

Listen that is why a computer has spell check just because im not a good speller doesnt mean anything. I kind of take that to offense that just because i make spelling mistakes doesnt mean im to dumb to be in a masters program. My major isnt english its psychology
Sorry i kind of feel like this response was a little rude and wanted to apologize. I just dont like it when people act like that. Once again im sorry if this offended anyone i didnt mean to.

Here is the contact information for NPC:

National Panhellenic Conference Office
Carol Armstrong, Administrative Director
3905 Vincennes Road, Suite 105
Indianapolis, IN 46268
(317) 872-3185 (Phone)
(317) 872-3192 (Fax)
npccentral@npcwomen.org

Their website is www.npcwomen.org.

I would imagine Phi Mu has an NPC delegate (like the rest of us) and you should be able to contact her through your own organization for help as well.

So you’re saying one needs a Masters in English to be able to spell simple words and know the difference between they’re, their and there? Hmm.

Anyway, it's not about grammar and spelling. It's about credibility.

Energizer, you may be entirely serious and legit, but unfortunately your request sounds exactly like the fifty or so others I've read from trolls on various greek and anti-hazing boards. They all seem to go something like this (poor spelling and grammar omitted for clarity):

I'm writing / researching a
documentary / article / thesis paper on
hazing / rituals / other sordid detail of greek life.
If you have any dirty laundry to air, please contact me. Strictly confidential.

Sound familiar?

So yes, if you want people to believe this is legit, perhaps you should use spellcheck/grammarcheck... just this once!

wptw

I wish I could help you out (...wait, no I don't, 'cause that would mean I'd been hazed :p), but I do know some older people who were hazed in their college GLOs. The youngest is, like, almost 40, though, so the "incidents" definitely wouldn't be current. They also don't involve NPC/NIC groups.

Ok listen i guess this isnt going to work, im sorry that i upset you all but i knew there were a lot of older adults on this website on they were the ones i was basically targeting, not the people who are in chapters now because most of the chapters out there now DO NOT HAZE, i was just hoping to speak to some of the people out there that were. Sorry again for upseting you all. and a small p.s. i wasnt asking for any kind of ritual that is why i didnt think it would have been that big of a deal

Hey Energizer PMed you.

Edited because originally it ticked me off how everyone just attacks everyone on here.

Here's my opinion as to why it is a "big deal':

Say that I'm really a 40 year old alum instead of a 20 year old one. Say I graduated from...Illinois. I picked that out of my head because it's the first campus I could think of where Gamma Phi and Phi Mu both are. Say I told you that when I pledged, I got horribly hazed, both physically and mentally. Maybe that chapter has since changed, and since it's still operating it almost definitely has - but now you have a statement from a Gamma Phi Beta saying that chapter hazed. I could see a charter getting pulled reaaaally quick for something like this.

If you're really serious about doing research on hazing, try going to Hank Nuwer's site - he's done a lot of it for you. I'm sure your readers could also suggest some places to go.

energizer,

I don't think you are shady but I'm very very offended by your intimating that "older people" on this site (which in this context, I would say 30+) were hazed all over the place because we were just too unenlightened and stupid back then. This is a reason why a lot of alumnae aren't active, because of this sort of attitude from younger members and nationals.

Are some of the things I did considered hazing now? Yes. Was I hazed, in MY opinion, which is the one that counts? HELL NO. Sorry, but asking a Sigma Chi to sign a book and getting paddled till I can't sit are not the same thing.

I know that you are trying to do something beneficial, but the next time, please think before you speak.

Ok here is what i was saying about it being confidential, i am not asking for a chapter name, what school you were at or your name, so basically i have no way of contacting you are your chapter about it or saying that i have a statment from you. What i am asking for specifically is what was done to you and how it effected you. Not anything specific about the actual chapter itself not even the name.

I would also like to apologize for anyone that i offended in this, i know that this is a very touchy subject, all im asking for is some help or some leads, please dont be offended by anything i say. What i meant by the older adults statement was back then more people were hazed whether we want to believe it or not. Its not about being stupid or ignorant its just a fact. Now adays hazing is considered illegial and there are very few chapters that still do it. So that is the only reason that i was targeting the older adults on the board. Once again im sorry if i offended you, 33girl i really did not mean too.

I was under the impression that these types of studies (done by psych majors) should keep the subjects anonymous (if they so happen to choose so). I'm almost positive that the UMW psych majors have to sign some sort of clause which states that they will do so, or be expelled from the program.

I don't know if all the programs are like that though?

Blaine

Hazing?
 

As president of my pledge class in the fall of '54, we had just seen the last of the WWII vets and were receiving a lot of Korean
war vets. Try, just dare, try to haze those boys..I was a green 18
year old Kansan amongst those old timers, and believe you me
we did not haze. Those chapters on campus who did generally
had a poor gpa and poor retention.
Naw, even 'way back then there were several chapters who did
not physically haze. Learning the Greek alphabet, doing pledge
duties, getting ornamental paddles signed...were not cosidered
hazing. How would you like to even TRY to haze an returned marine, 6'4 just back from Heartbreak Ridge? HA...In fact, I think there is likely more hazing today than back in the 50s.
And we took great pride in our table manners, social graces...
There have been a few PhD dissertations on fraternity life, get
ahold of the NIC headquarters, they have a lot of info for you.
Good luck, anyway, we all welcome scholarly activity.

Just wanted to let you know that I pledged in 1976. I am 45 and I can tell you that I WAS NOT hazed, nor do I know of anyone else on my campus that was (sorority or fraternity). I can also tell you that I have many friends that were Greek on several other campuses and they were not hazed either.

I think I would pick another topic!! :rolleyes:

I'd go out on a limb and say there was more hazing back "then" than "nowadays"..At least as far as what you would consider hazing i guess? It was "ok" to haze or atleast it wasnt illegal until fairly recently i beleive. I can understand everyone getting offended I guess though..Although im not real sure why everyone is going crazy on the subject..

and to whoever said very few chapters still haze..i think that would be a crazy statement. I know of a few around where i go to a school and that is within a 80 mile radius probably..maybe its different around here.
EDIT*******
let me re-phrase the hazing statement...
maybe i should say..there are still alotta chapters that would make you do things that you would otherwise never do? I duno thats just my opnion

OK, I just want to stand up for my sister and say that not everything people post on GC has to be looked at suspicously or as if it were posted by an imposter. For all any of us know, none of us actually belong to the org. we claim. I don't see anything wrong with someone asking questions...it's not like she's out to shut a chapter down.

As for the age thing, it is true that hazing in Greek organizations was much more prevalent 20 years ago than it is today. No one can really argue with that. Should they have hazed their new members? Definately not. Are they bad people? Not at all.

To make all of this easy, if you have something to say that would help her, do it anonymously. If not, there's no need to flame her for asking a simple question. She's been around her for awhile, and I for one doubt that she would do anything to hurt any org.

Just my $.02!

why? are you saying that no one has ever been hazed? my aunt pledged an npc org in the early 70s....her chapter is still on her campus....and she WAS hazed!!! if hazing did not exist, then why are people dying? why are there law suits? HELLLOOO, hazing went on on my college campus while i was there!!! one of the fraternities was booted by their national office because they FILMED their hazing activities.

ditto

I was in college in the late 70s/early 80s and a friend of mine depledged from his fraternity because he didn't like the hazing. This chapter was closed several years later for hazing. My husband (same approximate time, same university, different house) said he was definitely hazed but thought it was a "bonding experience". He wasn't negatively affected.