I hate Ghandi
 

He was a sell out and wimp. I would have punched him right in the face and been like "where is your 8 armed god now?" He claimed to be a leader of his people, the Indians, but most Indians call themselves Native American. That dude sucked.

Are you retarded?

Re: I hate Ghandi
 

Uh...people from India *are* "Indians".

"Native Americans" are called the misnomer "Indians" because Columbus landed in North America, saw these brown skinned people, thought he was in India, and called them Indians.

Columbus was wrong and off his target by only a few thousand miles.....

What?

It's not often (okay well never) that Imthachamp says exactly what I was thinking but he's on the money this time.

teehee! :)

I really dont get this post at all. Why is this thread still active when my thread on urine was deleted?

Okay, who pissed in Optimist's cereal because why would you start a thread like this? Is school messing with ya already???

Re: I hate Ghandi
 

Ok WOW...umm being that my mom is from India and I am therefore half Indian myself I take HUGE HUGE HUGE offense to this. Ghandi was NOT a sell out and a wimp and you are pathetic for even letting that thought cross your mind. And I am NOT Native American. I can't BELIEVE someone would be so ignorant, who on earth do you think you are?!

Wow I really never let much bother me when reading these boards but I can't believe how seriously offended I am. Wow is all I can say.

Even if you just posted this as a joke, it wasn't funny and I hope you're happy knowing that you just upset me, thanks.

Billy, I'm offended as well - your blatant disregard for other cultures is completely out of line. I personally cannot believe that you would stoop so low as to attack a man who did so much to free the people of India of the oppressive rule of the tea-drinking fops of the English Empire. While his ways do not appeal to us angry Americans in today's day and age, perhaps we should consider that peaceful protests and demonstrations may have been superior to our armed conflicts in nations such as Grenada, Iraq, and WWII. Also, in the movie version, I would have wanted to have sex with the man who played Ghandi - he was turning straight men gay, and I'm living proof.

OH WAIT - you were joking? How could I possibly have known?

I wasn't joking. He didn't work for all Indians, only those who were his same religion. He didn't care about Muslims, Jainists, Buddhists or any one else that supported him before his peaceful thing worked (which I applaud). I take offence that after India was freed, he did nothing to change to caste system.

Ok so maybe next time before posting something that could offend a lot of people, you need to justify your reasons and not just write an open-ended statement. Also it would definitely help to be culturally correct.

Welllll, the problem with that is that jokes tend to be funny.

OP, have you just been drinking waaaay too much lately? Every day you're more odd than the day before, and not really in a good way.

My bad, I will know for next time. Sorry people, I tend to not think things out before hand. It wasn't my intention to attack any one beliefs or culture, just trying to add new perspective into things that we all for the most part take for granted.

I don't drink at all. I can't, I have a bad liver.

That's cool. If I make personal its bad. Whatever.

wow - i retract, then. The impression I received was that such a ludicrously inflammatory romp could only be made in jest - it was so over the top, that I assumed you were kidding, and I responded in like. My fault, and I apologize to everyone else for stepping to bat for you.

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Anyway, if you really want to discuss this - why would Ghandi attempt to destroy the caste system in India? It is interwoven into the culture and religion of the region, and while to western minds it reeks of abasement and unfairness, our way is just that - ours, and no more important, fair, or universal than any others.

Also - you're going to have to explain the "Indians/Native Americans" comment - are you implying that a statistical majority of people who trace their roots to the Indian Subcontinent would now claim their ancestry to be that of the Native American people? If so, I doubt you'll be able to find a statistic to back that up, and I really request a cite.

This whole thing boggles my mind - not that you're questioning Ghandi, but the presentation left something to be desired if you were aiming for serious discussion.

You're not totally wrong, my Bostonian Friend, it was partly in jest. But Hinduism is not the only religion in India, and regardless of faith, the caste development later than Hinduism as a way to "keep people in their place," so to speak.

Plus, its always good to think critically of historical figures. Not everyone in India, for example, loves Ghandi. Not everyone in Spain hates Franco.

Re: I hate Ghandi
 

you didn't offend me at all by your comments, in fact, this statement is hilarious.

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I really resent you Optimist Prime, for making Imthechamp seem like the MOST REASONABLE PERSON ON THE BOARD.

It is really good to know something about damn near Cannonized world leaders before you criticize them.

Ghandi was against the caste system, he came out oppoising it AND used the legistlation to make inroads stopping it. He even took in an untouchable child (UNHEARD of for someone in the an upper caste). He was killed by a Hindu fundamentalist for the many changes he made, including those to the caste system.

It would be almost IMPOSSIBLE to abolish such a deeply ingrained social system in one generation, and the man made SERIOUS strides in bringing India into a modern era.

KSigRC, I am all for cultural relativism and whatnot, but at some point certain social systems are just wrong. The caste system is prime example no. 1- JUST this side of slavery IMO.

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*slaps optimist prime HARD*

lovelyivy84, that's a great point! Damn, there has been an uncommon amount of common sense on GC today.

I resent you for the Cannonized comment. Stop forcing your religion on me. Slavery was ended in one generation. It had aftermath to be sure, but it was legally ended by the 14th amendment.

you know you love me :cool:

whatever:p

Slavery was technically a legal institution and could thus be ended in the legislature. People were slaves because the law said so.

The caste system is not JUST a legal system, it didn't even BEGIN as a legal system. It is a tenet of their religion and social system. People are untouchables because their society and religion say so. What the law says won't MATTER if people think that it isn't proper or right.

And please say why you resent cannonized? I was not using it in the Catholic sense (like they are REALLLLY going to make a saint of a HINDU- please!), merely to indicate that Gandhi is pretty much Universally loved. He is. Everyone except you likes Gandhi.

ETA: That cannonized thing really bugs. I'm not even Catholic, lol. Excuse me for having a large vocabulary.

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oh noz. my post :(, rudeys post :(

Rudey's the single best poster on this frigging site - hey Richard, if you want to learn how to 'fit in' and not get made fun of by the big boys in the schoolyard, do a search and follow along.

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Lovelyivy, I must again point out that the caste system is an outgrowth of ONE religion and does not reflect the entire nation. Sorry for not believing sterotypes that I saw on the simpsons. LOL

Furthermore, the caste system in India is a legal system. It's government supported, and is maintained by their government. They are making progress to eliminate it completely, and I applaud them for it. The fact remains, however, that it is a legal system, regardless of where it comes from. People used the Bible as justification of slavery. The Bible is part of a religion. Slavery, in part, arose from that religion. Slavery was still a legal system, not a religious one. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that everyone who supported slavery used the Bible, just as not all people in the top castes in India really care about it because of religion. People will do anything to hold on to power.

If everyone except me loves Ghandi, then everyone except me is completely deluded.

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