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FAUNikki 09-02-2003 08:49 PM

Low Rush Numbers
 
Ok, so my school normally has about 100-150 girls go through recruitment each fall. I wasnt around for sorority stuff last year, I was initiated this past spring. But it seems that my school is having a problem... Recruitment begins this coming Sunday, and as far as I have heard, there are 16 girls signed up from recruitment... Now there are 4 sororities, so that would set quota at 4, IF they all stay, thats not cool.
Is anyone else's school having these problems or has anyone every experienced this?!? It upsets me! I was so looking forward to recruitment and all the girls that walk down the main walkway of campus turn up their noses to us. We have girls from all 4 sororities standing together at the table with lots of memorbilia and all. I am feeling so frusterated right now! Any help out there????

FAUNikki 09-02-2003 08:57 PM

Fraternities are having their parties this week. But on our campus, during both of our recruitments we cannot associate with fraternity men and they cannot associate with us. Panhellenic, Rho Gammas, and Sorority members are all trying to get girls to rush. They blow us all off. We have had Greek Forum for anyone interested, we sit in the main walkway everyday, all sorority members have been wearing letters since the first day of school and nothing is helping.

AchtungBaby80 09-02-2003 09:14 PM

There's a big difference between 150 and 14!! :eek: I'm not familiar with you school so I don't really know what could be going on to cause that...maybe it's just "one of those" years. Sometimes there is just an abnormally high or low number of rushees. :confused:

starrynight 09-02-2003 10:29 PM

I'm at Marshall University in Huntington, WV, and we had low numbers this year too. I didn't go through formal rush last year, but my understanding was that we had about 100 go through last year, compared with about 45 this year. Quota was at 9, and 3 of the sororities got quota.
General opinion is that our low numbers were due to having rush the first weekend of school, while everyone was trying to get settled and sophomores, juniors, and seniors were still trying to move in.
In your case, though, it doesn't sound like your low numbers are from lack of trying....the only thing I can think of is stuffing the mailboxes in the girls' dorms with fliers and rush info.
Good luck with getting more girls! :)

bethany1982 09-02-2003 10:46 PM

Good luck. I hope things improve for you and for GL in general.

33girl 09-02-2003 11:05 PM

150 to 16???!? :eek:

Has there been any negative Greek publicity around the school or possibly from the orientation leaders?? I seem to remember hearing about a prof from one of the schools up here (shadokat - I think it was Bloom?) putting anti-Greek literature in his department's information packet!

The way you describe it sounds like they are not just apathetic but openly hostile...that doesn't just happen for no reason. Something has to be behind it.

Firehouse 09-03-2003 12:36 AM

Let Me Float An Idea
 
I'm in Florida but I don't know your campus. However, I'm going to assume that the sorority system is not yet firmly established there, and that you do not yet have houses. I'm also going to assume that FAU is something of a commuter school where it's difficult to find large gatherings of students in the middle of the day.
Standing along a breezeway is not the way to get the kind of attention you want. In order to lure women to join you have to have interesting something to sell, something that can be deomnstrated easily and in a context that favors you. It sounds like your rush rules are geared to keeping the boys away, and yet I'd think in your case associating with the male students is exactly what you'd want to do to promote sororities. We all understand that Greek life is more than social, but to rushees social life is the most obvious and most visible pace to start. If I wanted to ensure a large number of women signing up for rush, I'd start by having Panhellenic set up a social - a mixer - with all the fraternities on campus, and invite all the freshmen women. Purely social, with a sign-up table.
The way you do it now sounds too...vanilla, like any miscellaneous club. Having all the sporority women and all the fraternity men in one place enjoynig themselves is a great way to interest people who wil be much more comfortable in that setting than standing on a breezeway. After the system is established and the product is established and it becomes a buyers' market, then you can re-institute all those rigid, stifling Panhellenic rush rules if you want. Trust me; this will work.

White_Chocolate 09-03-2003 09:56 AM

justified
 
We are a small commuter campus with about 9 to 11,000 students and about half of them hate Greeks. . .the other half doesn't want to be around us. This year, our Campus Activities Director is a Tri-Delt. She's basically been pushing Greek in everyone's face.
We've had a table at every student orientation with a signup sheet with sororities/fraternities working the table. Our signup sheet was basically either signup right now or signup to be contacted at a later date. Choices rock!
Also, anytime the school is sponsoring stuff, she gets the Greeks in there and encourages us to wear our letters. We just had a Welcome Back Week with tons of free giveaways. . .and she placed a Greek at every table. . .PLUS there was a Greek signup table.
In the past, they have had 40 to 50 girls signup for recruitment. Last year, there was tons of rumors flying around about the sororities and the list went from 30 to 13 in less than a day. This year, most of the girls have actually seen and met all of us and don't have such a bad opinion of us.

Another question: the people who stand at these tables. . .do they actually talk to people walking by? We discovered that most people think Greeks are snobs(who knew) and if you just stand at a table not doing anything. . .they will pass by. At our tables, we had music going, we were dancing, and when a girl would walk pass. . .we would have girls walking about and bringing them to the table. And don't always go after the girls who have the 'sorority look'. . .yes, we have a reputation to keep up but we also need to learn that right now. . .rebellion is in and nobody wants to be friends with the cast of 'O.C.'

In fact, most of us are rooting that the outcast gets the girl over the fraternity type jock. . .RIGHT?!?!?

adpiucf 09-03-2003 12:09 PM

I grew up in Coral Springs, Florida, so I understand your location and I may understand the challenge--- FAU has many outstanding academic programs and great students, but is considered a commuter school. Of my HS graduating class, if you didn't go "away" for college, you would go to the local community college (BCC) and transfer to FAU, or go straight to FAU and have the benefit of a great degree and living at home-- A lot of students come from far away, a lot don't. You have many students living at home, and a good number of international students.

My recommendation would be to host open house events for the women who are freshman and sophomores at FAU and BCC-- a dinner or ice cream social. Something-- not necessarily-- here is pressure to join; just an introduction to the Greek System that is orchestrated by Panhellenic. Put up flyers in the dorms, be out at the orientation events, make sure your Greeks are visible on campus-- maybe once a week, Panhellenic can host a Greek Pride Day where every chapter wears their letters. There could also be a "Dress to Pin" day each week where all Greeks dress in pin attire and wear their pins to class. This will help promote Greek Life at FAU.

Get involved on campus-- the best way to recruit role models and leaders is to find people who are already involved on campus! Like attracts like. :)

You can also have an open house for high schoolers in the area to introduce them to the concept of Greek Life-- Spanish River High School, Ely, Taravella (Go Trojans! Hee hee), Douglas, etc. You can appoint Greek Ambassadors to host student assemblies and present a slide show, etc. These are your potential members.

I know its upsetting to have so few women enrolled so far in recruitment, but I assure you most schools see a huge jump in recruitment enrollment one day or so before Greek Forum/Orientation. Keep smiling and remember to paper the campus with the event times, dates, etc.-- the school paper, radio station, TV, fliers, posters, sidewalk chalk, banners, etc. Make buttons with "Ask me about Greek Life" written on them and have your Greeks wear them. Set up tables in student commons areas-- residence halls, student union, cafeteria, etc-- if your Panhellenic bands together and every sister makes an effort to promote, you will be successful. This isn't an overnight solution, but it is a start. Just remember that recruitment is a 365-day a year activity-- so keep promoting Greek Life!!!

Good luck from a former Floridian :)

AZ-AlphaXi 09-03-2003 01:59 PM

I wonder if sorority life on MTV is having an effect? I know I've been told that women have refused to sign up because "they've seen all about rush and pledging on MTV"

FAUNikki 09-03-2003 02:30 PM

We have done pretty much everything that everyone is suggesting! On Freshman move in day, ALL the Greeks on campus got shirts and helped the Freshman, (and anyone moving onto campus) move into their dorms. We told so many girls about recruitment. We stand in the Breezeway and hand out flyers, we try to talk to girls, we smile, we had many events hosted by the greeks in general, a Luau the weekend before school started etc. I mean I just dont get it!
One of my professors was real enthusiastic about it all and said that she would announce it in all her classes (Education majors would be in there, and thats mostly girls)
Three of the sororities have been around since The late 80s and all went national in 1991. We got DPhiE In 2001.
We dont go after the "sorority look" either, were very diverse, well at least Phi Sig is.
I have passed out papers in classes, posted things on the walls. Were right next to the Fraternities, so they see that everyone is recruiting right now! My big sis is an RA, but I dont know if she has even said anything to the girls on her floor. I asked her to though. I asked one of my friends who is a freshman to mention it to anyone she sees.
Tonight, tommorow and friday, all the sorority girls are getting together and invading the dinning hall and writting with chalk everywhere on campus. They dont know what else to do!

kdonline 09-03-2003 02:41 PM

As a native Miamian (and now a Broward Countian ; ), I think your school should look to see how your numbers are comparing w/ South Florida's other public commuter school, FIU.

I know there's a GCer on here from FIU, but I don't know if she's still around.

Anyway, I think both schools are similar in makeup (though not ethnicity) - greek systemwise, at least. It would be interesting to compare how many girls have signed up for rush @ both FIU & FAU.

As for Sorority Life being a cause - well, i know UF has had more girls sign up for rush than in recent years...so I don't think that's the reason.

FAUNikki 09-07-2003 11:26 AM

I think I found the answer to my question. There is a "club" on campus calling themselves Beta Chi Omega. NOw the rumor, and I say rumor... is that they eventually they want to become Chi Omega. Problem with that is, there are currently 4 sororities on campus, Theta Phi Alpha, Phi Sig, AXiD, and DPhiE. Nobody is near total. Total is 40 on our campus. In order to have another sorority come to campus, we all need to be at total for 3 years. That wont be for a while!
The other rumor is that they wanted to be Beta Theta Pi's little sisters, but since our school doesnt allow that nonsense, they had to start a "club". I am thinking that this may be one cause of our low recruitment #s. Girls think that they are a real sorority and dont sign up for formal recruitment.
I also didnt know that girls could choose ahead of time which sorority they eventually want to become...? Like, what is Chi O doesnt wanna come to FAU? How do they know that Chi O is the group that best fits their ideals? I dunno!!

AchtungBaby80 09-07-2003 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FAUNikki
I also didnt know that girls could choose ahead of time which sorority they eventually want to become...? Like, what is Chi O doesnt wanna come to FAU? How do they know that Chi O is the group that best fits their ideals? I dunno!!
They can model their group with a specific sorority in mind, but that doesn't mean they'll eventually get to affiliate with that particular one. Especially if the existing sororities on campus are not at total.

Firehouse 09-07-2003 01:09 PM

If No One Is At Total?
 
If no one can make total, why not bring in some more sororities with new ideas and aggressive recruiting and see who is successful? If there are ten national sororities, it's reasonable that five will be successful and pull the system up. Those unable to attract members can close up shop.

aopinthesky 09-07-2003 01:24 PM

>>>Those unable to attract members can close up shop.<<<

I think I have been in a discussion thread with you before on this subject, but the reason that is not going to happen is because it is not the Panhellenic way to intentionally bring sororities on a campus just to see who will survive. NPC expands when there is a need for expansion, not just to see what will happen. It sounds as if the Panhellenic women are doing everything they can think of to boost their recruitment numbers. It also sounds as if the last thing they need is a new NPC group.

adpiucf 09-07-2003 01:31 PM

Re: If No One Is At Total?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Firehouse
If no one can make total, why not bring in some more sororities with new ideas and aggressive recruiting and see who is successful? If there are ten national sororities, it's reasonable that five will be successful and pull the system up. Those unable to attract members can close up shop.
Firehouse, it sounds like an admirable theory worthy of Darwin (Survival of the Fittest) :) But a Panhellenic could not bring on additional sororities if ALL of the chapters are this far away from total and with such small recruitment numbers. The women's groups have very specific rules regarding expansion, and an NPC sorority would not consider colonization at a school with chapters that are currently struggling with numbers. It would mean that the new group would struggle, too, and numbers are very important in terms of long-term success. This isn't to say a bigger chapter is better, but in terms of financial status, having a house, ability to be more selective in recruitment (able to take more nontraditional students like those who pose grade risks, etc).

FAU friend, while it may be a challenge having to compete with a local sorority, I don't think that their existence is the major problem with your turnout at recruitment. I think your situation poses an interesting challenge, one that might be solved with a Panhellenic Public Relations campaign to build the sorority image on campus. As a commuter school and a university with a good number of international students, you have many college women who are not educated on the benefits of Greek Life, or who have their familiar home culture (the commuters) or international culture clubs and organizations (the international students). Has Panhellenic established a Task Force with the Greek Adviser to study recruitment numbers for the last 5 years, and to evaluate the methods by which Greek Life is being promoted on campus? Perhaps you are not doing anything wrong at all; perhaps FAU Greeks need to band together and aggressively campaign so their presence is know, respected and membership is sought after at your school. There are a number of programs out there that can help you improve your PR--- or perhaps this would be a great opportunity for the School of Communication at FAU to give this as a project to a class of seniors-- who form 3-4 groups that brainstorm, research and strategize a successful plan to increase your visibility on campus that will ultimately get more people to go through recruitment.

AlethiaSi 09-07-2003 05:31 PM

i know what you mean
 
At my school- SUNY cortland- in the Fall we usually have smaller numbers than in the Spring and most of the time- it is through COB that we get most of our girls- i just got in in the spring but i'm Rush chair and it is very discouraging to have rumours going around about sorority girls- we are the only local on campus and the others are national and so because of that our dues are cheaper but we've been here for seventy five years and have over a thousand alumni backing us up- which seems similar to a national chapter to me- so girls are like- oh i don't want to do that- and have all these misconceptions b/c of other sororities pledge programs, dues- fights and drama- so basically what i hear most of the time is that there are stereotypes and thats what keeps numbers down..sadly enough.... i love my sorority and i know each and every girl loves theirs as well and to hear that they don't want to be apart of waht we care about.... its discouraging- keep your head up, don't give up and know that you have something to offer and are special and if they don't recognize that then- then maybe you don't want them there anyway.... know waht i mean??? good luck!!!!!!

FAURecruitment 09-07-2003 11:28 PM

Vice President of Recruitment
 
Okay, I just read this thread and I have to say something. I am currently the Vice President of Recruitment at FAU and I held the position last year as well. I honestly don't know what is wrong this year. Last year, we had about 190 women signed up for recruitment, but this year we have.......drumroll please........69 with one more day to sign up. One of the main problems is that Greeks aren't really supported by staff members on our campus. We've done many things to try and change their views but it just doesn't seem to work. Another thing is that a lot of women do not want to participate in recruitment. I've asked several women why and they basically tell me that they've seen things on tv as well as heard things that give greeks a bad name. I've tried talking to them about it but it just doesn't work, they're minds are made up. Also, the fraternities on campus are having a bad year theirselves so, it's just not us.
I want to clarify somethings on the rules. The rules about not being able to socialize with the fraternities was put into pass because many of the sorority women were recruiting for mainly the fraternities rather than for themselves, also on our campus a lot of the freshman girls judge the members of the sororities based on which fraternity they hang out with and that's not what they should be looking at. All sororities on our campus socialize with all of the fraternities.
As for Beta Chi Omega, we are currently taking care of the problem with them. This organization is in the process of becoming a club and on our campus you can form a club as long as you have ten people who want to join. These women know that they may not expand into Chi Omega in the future, but that is what they are basing themselves on.
If you have any more questions, please post here or pm me.

Lil_ChiO_Lady 09-07-2003 11:58 PM

The same thing is occuring on my campus as well...The numbers at this time last year were about 100 as we neared the day of the deadline...well we had decided to set a deadline to get info in early,but the has caused us to get 68 pnm's by the deadline..well we extended to Tuesday so hopefully more girls will sign up..KEEP UR FINGERS CROSSED for a good turnout.:D

33girl 09-08-2003 12:04 AM

Re: Re: Vice President of Recruitment
 
Quote:

Originally posted by exlurker
Best of luck to you and to the Greeks at FAU.
I think many of the people in the GC community are familiar with rules or policies against "little sister" organizations. I believe both the NPC and the North American Interfraternity Conference have passed resolutions that strongly discourage those kinds of groups.

huh?? :confused: I don't think anyone said anything about little sisters, she said that the sororities were helping the fraternities to rush. Re the club she mentioned it is just a rumor that they want to be little sisters, I would think if that was true they would call themselves Sigma Beta Theta or something.

Firehouse 09-08-2003 12:20 AM

What the freshmen are looking at...
 
You say the freshmen girls judge sororities based on which fraternities they hang out with, "and that's not what they should be looking at." I'm sorry, I just don't understand the mindset. You're trying to tell them what they SHOULD be looking at instead of basing a solid sales appeal on what they ARE looking at. They're telling you they're not interested in what you're offering, but you insist on offering the thing they're not buying and you wonder what's wrong.
Young women, especially on a commuter campus where the atmosphere is not the same as a traditional residential campus, want to have fun. Often, the opportunities for fun are different on a communter campus.
Look, this can be turned around and fairly easily, if you will just shape your appeal to the market instead of being bound by sets of rules more geared to traditional campuses and already established structures. Greeks may have taken a downturn in the 1990s, but they are making a stong comeback today. There is no reason why your sorority system can't flourish there. In my opinion, you don't need to run off a fine, prosperous local sorority who might be able to teach you something about rush. Sororities are wonderful organizations with a powerful appeal. There's no reason to think that the young women on your campus would not want to join.

33girl 09-08-2003 12:29 AM

boys just don't get it.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Firehouse
You say the freshmen girls judge sororities based on which fraternities they hang out with, "and that's not what they should be looking at." I'm sorry, I just don't understand the mindset. You're trying to tell them what they SHOULD be looking at instead of basing a solid sales appeal on what they ARE looking at. They're telling you they're not interested in what you're offering, but you insist on offering the thing they're not buying and you wonder what's wrong.
Young women, especially on a commuter campus where the atmosphere is not the same as a traditional residential campus, want to have fun. Often, the opportunities for fun are different on a communter campus.
Look, this can be turned around and fairly easily, if you will just shape your appeal to the market instead of being bound by sets of rules more geared to traditional campuses and already established structures. Greeks may have taken a downturn in the 1990s, but they are making a stong comeback today. There is no reason why your sorority system can't flourish there. In my opinion, you don't need to run off a fine, prosperous local sorority who might be able to teach you something about rush. Sororities are wonderful organizations with a powerful appeal. There's no reason to think that the young women on your campus would not want to join.

Firehouse,

The problem with attracting girls who only care about what fraternity the sorority hangs out with is so huge I don't understand why I even have to explain it to you! For one thing, this can change from year to year....we had one year where we hung out with Delta Chi pretty much exclusively, 2 years later we barely spoke to them. If girls had only joined to hang out w/ Delta Chi they would have probably quit, and who needs that?

Also, you saying that there's nothing wrong with encouraging that just furthers the "pu$$y and beer" mindset that some fraternities use to get members. How long do those guys stick around, and do they do anything for the fraternity at all?

Yes, a sorority on a commuter campus can be great for socializing and finding that outlet...I don't think they are telling the girls that all they do is study and do philanthropy. But if all these rushees are going to contribute is partying and won't be there for anything else, what's the point?

And I didn't see anything about a "fine prosperous local sorority." I saw a bunch of wannabes who are deliberately misrepresenting themselves.

exlurker 09-08-2003 12:33 AM

33girl, thank you for making that clear. I was mistaken. I misinterpreted the clarification about rules on socializing and confused it with an earlier post about a possible little sister situation. Red face here, and again, thank you.

Quote:

Originally posted by FAUNikki
I think I found the answer to my question. There is a "club" on campus ... Beta Chi Omega. ...
The other rumor is that they wanted to be Beta Theta Pi's little sisters, but since our school doesnt allow that nonsense, they had to start a "club".


aopinthesky 09-08-2003 12:39 AM

>>>In my opinion, you don't need to run off a fine, prosperous local sorority <<<

In my opinion, you need to read the posts a little closer (except for the fact that you are posting for the flame value). No one said this was a fine, prosperous local sorority, but an upstart who seems to be throwing a kink into a situation that is not good for the NPC groups on campus.

Firehouse 09-08-2003 01:03 AM

Aopinthesky & 33Girl
 
Sorry for the confusion about the local sorority; obviously I mis-read one of the posts and I aoplogize. Aopinthesky, I'm really not a flame-monger, I just have an especially strong interest in rush.
I do understand that boys and girls are different in their approaches, but to be fair, I think you'll agree that when something isn't working it's OK to think in terms of special strategies to get the job done.
33girl: you and I have exchanged posts before on rush and you're aware of my respect for your opinions and experience. You're right of course about the high turnover in membership that results from intensely superficial rush tactics. I haven't made myself clear, so please allow me to try again.
Young people want to be associated with things that are popular and fun. I think the best context to introduce someone to my fraternity is an atmosphere that's relaxed and enjoyable.
My suggestion to these young sorority women is to simply band together, invite the fraternities to join them in a social (not a beer-frenched orgy) and invite all interested young women to come and enjoy the atmosphere and to talk casually about the fun and the advantages of joining.
Student life on a commuter campus typically consists of going to class, then going to work, then going home. I think that the appeal of sororities on these campuses can be especially powefull because they are entres into the more traditional trappings of campus life that characterize the residential schools. I get frustrated when I hear "they're not interested". I think they are.
Aopinthesky: proud to say that I was the AOPi Pledge Sweetheart a very long time ago.

aopinthesky 09-08-2003 08:17 AM

>>>I think you'll agree that when something isn't working it's OK to think in terms of special strategies to get the job done<<<

Firehouse,
I do agree that there are things the campus Panhel can consider to get their recruitment numbers up, and you have made some good points. However, since I have a particularly strong interest in expansion - and it's affects on sitting chapters, glibly suggesting that 5 more sororities colonize on a campus "just to see who can survive it" is not helpful. A former chapter consultant tells me that rush numbers are off at many campuses, and of course, it is more apparent at schools where you have 150 going through one year and 80 the next, as opposed to 1300 one year and 1100 the next. I believe that schools will see an upsurge in recruitment, just as they have seen a downsurge. That is, if Sorority Life ever goes off the air.

AGDee 09-08-2003 09:04 AM

I think we have to factor the economy in with the "Sorority Life" damage that has been done as well. At some campuses, which tend to be exclusive and expensive, the school funding is coming from scholarships, grants or families who are more economically stable. Commuter campuses often attract the students who are paying for their own schooling and working as many as 3 jobs to make ends meet. Extras, like a sorority, don't seem within reach for these women. I know that, in the Detroit area, 4 or 5 years ago, McDonald's was paying $10 an hour to try to get people to work for them because there were so many jobs out there. They're back to paying minimum wage, because they can. I know several college students who weren't able to get jobs this summer because unemployed college grads were working at anything they could.

Sorority Life didn't help at all, I agree. I approached several cute, smart, enthusiastic women who were working as students at my work over the summer about sorority membership and they all gave this "You've got to be kidding, why would I do THAT?" look. I tried to change their minds, but I don't think I even made a dent in their opinion of Greek Life. Greeks have a growing image problem (in the North at least). I read the Southern rush threads and it shocks me! I think I only had one pledge sister (back in '84) who had even heard of a sorority before we went through recruitment and she was a legacy of one of the groups on campus. We have got to get more visible in the general community, even as alumnae, so that women have heard of us before they get to college!

Dee

33girl 09-08-2003 10:36 AM

Firehouse:

I agree that an all-Greek - emphasis on all, not a mixer situation of any sort linking 2 specific groups - picnic or fest of some sort would be a good tool to introduce people to Greek life, especially at a commuter campus. However, you've got to balance that with Panhellenic rules, and they say that men aren't allowed at actual rush parties.

I also think that at commuter campuses, you need to spell out dues and fees, and make it clear that just because your friend at Big U pays $2000 a semester to be in her sorority, your dues are not going to be anywhere near that.

As to Sorority Life, I am SO tired of this being the scapegoat...mainly because people either say they are too sorority, or not sorority enough. It's just silly.

adpiucf 09-08-2003 12:18 PM

I may get jumped on for this, but as much as I dislike MTV's portrayal of the sororities on Sorority Life, I have been at several campuses since the show began as an alumna director-- recruitment numbers have NOT been affected by the TV show.

Also, I agree with Firehouse, to some extent, that the freshman mind needs to be appealed to in terms of recruitment marketing points. An 18 year old is thinking of fun, friends and boys-- Greek Life should not be marketed as a big party, but I honestly feel that a Task Force at schools with low Recruitment numbers should form in order to quantitatively assess the situation, and come up with logical marketing solutions to increase Greek visibility on campus and promote the Greek image to both incoming freshmen and current students. Take a look at what's been done, and brainstorm on what could be done.

aopinthesky 09-08-2003 12:31 PM

>>>recruitment numbers have NOT been affected by the TV show.<<<

I don't think that any ONE thing affects recruitment numbers. Someone pointed out that economics has a lot to do with it, especially at schools where the students are more non-traditional and many work to pay their own expenses. There are dozens of reasons why women decide against recruitment, and I was pointing out that Sorority Life is one of them (certainly not the only one). I can't point to any one campus and say that their numbers are down because the PNM's got a bad impression of sorority life from Sorority Life, but certainly, it has made an impression on some that is not favorable.

MoonStar17 09-08-2003 12:37 PM

I go to FIU in Miami and I find this EXTREMELY odd.....


in the past few years (well since ive been a sister fall 2000) we have gradually increased numbers every year!

This year (bid day was sunday) we had 450 girls sign up, after innitial drops for grades and people just dropping the 1st night around 2 hundred something (sorry dont know the exact numbers) went through. Quota was set at 40.

EVERY organization with the exception of AOPi made quota this year which is GREAT!!!

Tri Sigma who hasn't met quota in a few years has made quota this year,


AOPi is a new organization...they were a colony when i rushed fall 2000 and did not go through formal recruitment until 2001. for the past 2 years they took very low numbers such as 17 girls...18 girls...etc..but this was in an effort to build their chapter....this year they did AMAZING!!! they doubled their organization and all the org's on campus are extremely proud of them..they did great! a great group of girls...I am not sure of exact numbers will have to contact my old roomie (she was an AOPi) but from what I heard they came to about 30something..which is still very close

anyways back to the situation at hand....

we have a VERY strong greek campus.... with 10 fraternities, 6 sororities and 2 locals, and 9 NPHC org's.
our campus is RUN by greeks...we are ALSO a LARGE commuter school

the school is little by little moving towards being "less" commuter with more housing and the addition of fraternity houses. (FIJI house has been up and running for a year already )-with all the rest in planning...the plots for 4 are already marked off and ready for ground breaking

our greek advisor is GREAT and the majority of faculty and staff have come to see greek life as a great step towards a more university like setting and less like a community school setting where people just go to learn and go home...students here are spending more and more time on campus and attending events.

ALSO....I think a big way that greek life gains more momentum is through freshman orientation....at our freshman orientation greek life presents a skit and a presentation just like any other group or department on campus...its usually fun interactive and has every org. represented in the skit.
AND everyday during the first week of school the panhellenic council is in the student union complete with rho gammas all promoting greek life... they have banners with pics of each organization and they do their best to promote and get girls to sign up.

Granted....this years numbers were slightly less than last year...BUT quota was still high....

***I notice that 3 of the organizations that are on your campus are ALSO on FIU's campus......I would suggest contacting them to see what advice they can give on how things are done here...we have DPhiE, Phi Sigma, AXiD, (those are on your campus) and Phi Mu, AOPi, and Tri Sigma

if there is any other information I can give you let me know :) maybe there is something to learn from each other....
PM me if you have any questions :D

GOOD LUCK!!!

AXORissa 09-08-2003 11:27 PM

Low rush numbers is definitely something I understand. When I was an undergrad, my 35,000 student University had only 7 sororities, total was 100, and only approximately 3 chapters were at total. One was really far below (and ultimately lost their charter), and the other 3 varied, but were about 50-80 women. We didnt understand how such a large university could have such low rush numbers. I think my junior year, there were 150 PNM for formal rush, but bunch "dropped" (and somehow were wearing pledge pins the next week! but we wont go there) and quota was NINE. Which only 2 chapters even got. Some chapters would wind up with about 30 new members, so the other 21 came from somewhere... Needless to say, my school is a huge COB school. My chapter was a COB chapter, I was COB chair for two years, and my job was more work than VP Recruitment!

It must be something about my school, which totally hated Greek life, being up North, and being an extremely diverse, liberal campus that contributed to it. Most women on campus never would think of joining a sorority. And when the school doesnt promote it, and every chapter hates each other, you get dischord. Throw in negative feedback from the media...

im just worried for my chapter. They have a COB tonight, I hope they did well! Informal Recruitment starts next week.
-Rissa


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