Religion vs. sorority/frat
 

Greetings Sorors & SF's,

I didn't see the answer to this in any of the other threads, so excuse me if I am repeating topics. I was having a conversation about individuals quiting or giving up membership because of religious beliefs and there is a constant debate going on at church now about members of sororities/frats and how this is wrong. I have heard people say that you can't be "saved" and be a member. I am wondering exactly what is the reason that people tend to believe that you can't do both? Especially preachers and "saved" people? Does anyone know exactly what the problem is? I personally consider myself to be a christian and "saved" and I don't see how my belonging to a sorority is going to send me to hell (as they ofen say in church). Oh and I also heard someone say because our organizations are similiar to cults. I don't know who they were referring to but I definitely don't agree with that statement. If anyone has any reasons, responses or input please let me know. Feel free to e-mail me as well. I really would like to hear what others think. Thanks. Skee-weee sorors!!!

P.S. Sorry this post is so long.


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This is a serious matter.

Hello Soror,
This seems to be a popular topic that I've seen on many sites including this one. I have met a lot of preachers that were members of various frats.

I never let anyone that is looking in from the outside tell me about my sorority and I hope you will do the same. The same ones that preach such non-sense never woke up 7:00am to help feed the homeless or volunteered their time to uplift our community.

I believe that being a christian is more than attending church. My Sorors of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority Inc. not only attend church but we also help uplift others & ourselves. There is nothing unholy about the bond that my sorors and I share. You can't let someone influence you because of the things that they've heard or seen on T.V.

I want to address your reference to people say sor/frats are like cults. One thing is that all of our organizations have an aspect of secrecy. The bonds that we share, is something that only members understand, and know. People always fear the unknown. I once heard a girl from school tell me that her husband was against her interest in Delta Sigma Theta or any sorority for that matter. He said anything that's a secret is an ambominaton against God. Whatever. All BGLO's have a strong influence of Christianity in their founding. Afterall, whether we realize it or not, Black people have been the moral fiber of this country for ages. And for me, one who believes in God I realize that he knows all and sees all. And he was there with all the founders, and is there with them now having an NPHC meeting in heaven. God should be addes as a founding member of all our orgs. LOL. Point is, you can't hide nothin from God as my grandma always say. Two, I'm sure that all BGLO's make an allegience or take an oath to uphold the principles of their organization. Many see this as idolism. NOT! We pledge allegience to the flag in school. Yeah and I know many might say well the line goes one nation under GOD. Still, the main thing to remember is that we are still pledging allegience to the flag and the nation. And that line i mentioned is wrong. We are not one nation under God. We have this thing called seperation of church and state. And who's God are we talking about anyway? Three, many see the actions of undergrad students in these orgs. who party and the like. Yes in undergrad partying and stuff is apart of the BGLO experience. However, as an older bruh once said there's a difference between a NUPE and a Kappa Man. These ministers fail to realize that in grad chapters, majority of the work is all about business. Like someone said earlier, they don't see all we do to uplift our community. I've seen many churches that only uplift themselves. They get wrapped up in builiding a new church or building a new that that they forget to uplift those who are in need.From time to time we might throw a social or two but never to the magnitude of the college years. And some of the things we do in undergrad, hopefully we don't do in grad. And I know this post is getting long so I'll wrap it up. How many of these ministers and people of the church do you know that are anti-sor/frat but are members of the Masonry or OES? Hypocritical I say. I have a cousin who's an AKA. About three or so years ago her and her husband became the First family of our church. He's an Omega Man and both are very proud of their affiliation. Anytime he's in a suit, you can bet your bottom dollar he has on the Omega shield. They are both very active in grad chapters. They love their orgs. That just goes to show you that not all Christians are denouncing their orgs.

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Exactly,NUPE...

The whole point is, just like you said...God sees and knows ALL!!!! Whether we like it or not! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif

The "secrets" that each organization has are secrets from MAN!

You cannot hide anything from the LORD,GOD ALMIGHTY!

P.S. NUPE...
My minister happens to be your FRAT! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Thank you soror for your reply. I will never let anyone from the outside tell me anything about my sorority. Thanks for your response.

Thank you Nupe for your reply. My sentiments exactly! Thanks for breaking it down.

Everyone have a blessed holiday.


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This is a serious matter.

I guess the issue is whether your being in a sorority/fraternity will make a person lose salvation. Well we must look at essential doctrine.


1. Have you given your heart, mind and soul to Jesus... for God's biggest extension of grace to the world was the gift of salvation.
Acknowledge him as your savior from death and destruction and guess what.... Your saved... plain and simple.


there are no forms to fill out... just start getting to know God's will and his purpose for your life and see whether a sorority/fraternity fits in. Granted I do consider a sorority a worldly thing, but you must question your commitment to God if you would let your membership disturb your walk with him... Maybe you can use the sorority for the good will of God. But see to it that the Devil does not cloud your intentions and you will be fine...


May the blessings of God be with you always

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In complete darkness we are all the same... It is only our knowledge and wisdom that separates us... Don't let your eyes deceive you

Janet Jackson

People need to think before they speak.

The church is a good organization;however, there are some people who are corrupt and have only personal gain in mind. Question? Since the church consists of people, is the church infected, or are the people infected? Alpha Kappa Alpha, my wonderful sorority has nothing to do with my salvation. I am saved by the grace of God.

I have had people to say things like greek organizations are of the devil. I guess we can take some of the blame for the negative stigma. I say this because some of our sorors and frats have not represented us favorably. When a fraternity or sorority beats a person near death, do people say MR.X or Ms. X did an awful thing. No! Most people say, "Did you hear what the AKA'S, Delta's, Kappa's, Omega's, Sigma's, Zeta's, S G Rho's, Alpha's... did." It's hard to seperate the person from the organization.

I encourage all organizations to stand worthy of the call.

Peace!

Conskeeted Skee Wee

You are the master of your own destiny!

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I totally agree hon, there are many people out there that call themselves Christians that give a bad name to the church. Jusus has a purpose for all that follow him and I will follow him to the ends of the Earth... Many people are corrupt and use their stature as a church goer to say their "saved"
Ask Jesus and he'll tell you the real deal...

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In complete darkness we are all the same... It is only our knowledge and wisdom that separates us... Don't let your eyes deceive you

Janet Jackson

Greetings all,

I agree, one of my "big sisters" was a gung-ho AKA. Then she got heavily involved in her church. She denounced and said that we were all the devil. But no one is every satisfied. She would speak on campus but that was it. Well, to make a long story short. All she ever talked about was her pastor. The quote from the bible never actually addressed exactly what she was against. Well needless to say she had a nervous breakdown. Thought she could talk to God and everything. I told her later that we (sorors) never turned our backs on her but people at her church did. She was listening to HER PASTOR and NOT HER LORD. I believe that too many people are RELIGIOUS and not SPIRITUAL and there is a difference. I am lead by God. Very often I tell people that if the Lord is truly in you you don't condemn you help. You don't avoid you reach out. Anywho (I meant to say that) why are "Christian greek orgs." ok. I don't see any difference in reverence to God between Greeks or Masons. My father is in the American Legion, he cant tell me about all of their ceremonies. Is that demonic too?

Where does it all end? God knows me and he knows my soul. That will be my fate. Not the opinion of any man. I know for a fact that may churches even say that other denominations are the devil. In my honest opinion I think that most churches have moved out of the realm of God and into the realm of man. Any person or group that takes care of Gods people without false pretenses is alright with me. (most of the people who talk about greek orgs. can't live right themselves.)

People in glass houses...

I'm sorry that this was so long but I'm tired of people downing each other!

Thank you all for these responses. I was nervous about applying for membership into SGRho because my family has the same sentiments about GLOs. Members of my church have called them cults, demonic, and so on. This summer I was on an internship in Washington, D.C. and I met two people who are of the same faith as me (7th Day Adventist). One is the daughter of a pastor, and she is an AKA. The other guy was a Sigma, and he told me that his sister an SGRho. They said that their church comes first no matter what, but through their orgs they are doing great community service. I am glad to know that there are good Christians in my church who are also members of BGLOs. They all have inspired me. you all keep up the good work and it's also great to know that this is a friendly message enviornment. I have met too many negative greeks in my day, but I continue to meet the most positive of greeks as well! Sorry for the length of this post! God bless you all!!

Why Christians should not join worldly fraternities/sororities
 

I thought this was interesting so I did a lot of research and this is what I found. A lot of people have got it all wrong as far as why people who are truly Christian (people who try to actually be living examples of Christ, sort of like walking the walk instead of talking the talk), denounce greek life.

I wanted to give some real concrete reasons from the bible about why Christians dont feel like they can be apart of sororities and fraternities.

The first question that needs to be asked is why a person would want to join a fraternity / sorority. Motives in Gods eyes are all important. (1 Samuel 16:7). Only you truly know what your motives are. Depending on your reasons, different issues come to the forefront. If one wants to join a fraternity/sorority because they have the best parties, the bible says that such a life should belong in one's unsaved past, not in the present life of a believer (1 Peter 4:3).

If one wants to join a fraternity/sorority because of a status symbol, it becomes an issue of pride. The Bible repeatedly encourages humility both in life and in the choice of one's companions (Romans 12:16; 1 Peter 5:5-7), even as Christ lived. The Bible mentions pride as a MAJOR sin and as something God hates (Proverbs 6:16-19; 8:13; 11:2; 16:18; Daniel 4:37; 1 Peter 5:5; 1 John 2:15-17).

A Christian's closest compansionship should be with fellow Christians, and not companionship based on some other external tie such as belonging to the same fraternity / sorority, having gone to the same school, coming from same race or social class, etc. (Galatians 3:28; 1 Corinthians 12:12-13; 12:24-26; Galatians 6:10; John 13:34-35). This is because who one has as his closet companions is a major issue in scripture whether they be fraternity brothers, roommates in a dorm, classmates, etc. Here are a few of Scripture's admonitions concerning this issue: "Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners" (1 Corinthians 15:33). The people around you can really hurt or help your walk with God and if your sorority/fraternity brothers aren't trying to live a Holy life then they can bring you down easier then you can bring them up. "He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed" (Proverbs 13:20). "I am a companion of them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts" (Psalm 119:63).

I hope this helped everyone understand a little more. Please know that I am not trying to judge but instead trying to clear up some misconceptions between two groups of people with different beliefs. At the end of the day it comes down to whether you think your relationship with God is ok or is it being hindered by your involvement with a group of people.

But in undergrad the biggest issue is HAZING. No matter how people try to turn the wheel to make the hazing process out to be some kind of test to see if you have what it takes, its still wrong in the eyes of God to physically or mentally abuse another person in the name of brother/sisterhood simply to see if "they have heart" as I have been told. No Christ-like man or women can accept that kind of process because it would be going against the love the Bible says we should have for all our fellow brothers and sisters.


Here is a great website if you would like more info.
http://www.gotquestions.org/fraternity-s...

GOD and orgs
 

One's personal relationship with GOD is exactly that. It IS-whether the person in question wants it to be or not---the focal point of his/her life. Being in a fraternity or sorority has its place in one's life; but it will never supersede the relationship between that person and GOD--even if that person doesn't believe in HIM. HE has a way and time for revealing HIMSELF; and when HE does, all confusion will cease.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion; but people need to leave GOD'S work for HIM. Only HE can make the call as to whether or not it is cool to join a sorority or fraternity.

focus,

I see your point. . . to a point.

I looked at a couple of the websites that you posted for the Christian Sorority. And from what I've seen, and if I'm reading what you're saying correctly, one of the "legitimate" reasons for not joining a secular sorority/fraternity is because the majority of the people that you're with may not be Christians, but in the Sororities that you've listed, they are Christians.

But really, how much of a difference in the two organizations is there when the people in the organizations appear to be doing the same things as the secular ones? I visited one of their brothers' sites, and they're throwing up their sign just like many other fraternities. I would wonder why many of these people decided to form/join a Christian Sorority or Fraternity. Was it not enough to go to Sunday morning/evening and Wednesday night services and do community service or whatever through their church? Could they not have done the same things under the umbrella of their churches without having certain symbols, etc. on a crest or coat of arms? Maybe because of certain teachings, they thought that they were going to burn in hell for joining another organization - who knows?

I can only speak for my chapter, and I do know that many, if not most, of my chapter Sorors are saved. I can't vouch for all of them, and if those that are professing to be Christians aren't and are only "having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof" then they have to answer for that.

Before joining Alpha Kappa Alpha, I asked my sponsor, who is a saved woman, if she thought joining compromised her beliefs, and she told me empatically "no!". I give my time and service to Alpha Kappa Alpha, but I give even more to my church. I know who I am, and Whose I am, and for me, there's no compromise.

Im not trying to judge anyone. By what I have researched and read about being Christian and in a greek org. it is very possible to be living a Holy life and be in a greek org. You can join the org. for great unselfish reasons (like service), you can not participate in events that would sacrafice your morals (like wild parties), not be prideful, and you can choose as your closest companions those who are living Christ-like. But the reality is that its hard to do and be all those things when the people you call your brothers/sisters are almost exactly the opposite. But it is possible, someone just has to be strong enough to do it, and be an example for other possibly greek Christ-like people to follow.

As far as Christian Greek organizations. Yeah, they have signs they throw up, they may step, and do community service like other greek orgs. but it all comes down to the purpose of their organization. Which is not to service others (but is a part of what they do). Their enitire purpose and meaning for existing is to minister to other people and glorify the name of God, not themselves, their group, or other people. Thats why they have chosen to be apart of that greek org. instead of a more popular one.

By like I said, its all about you and your relationship, if you feel your walk with God is ok and what you are doing is pleasing to the Lord then please don't let others discourage you. Because no one will be able to speak for you when you stand before Him.

Be Blessed and stay strong.

Re: GOD and orgs
 

Your right, only He can make that call. But God does have messengers to do His work here on earth.

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And I'm assuming that you believe that you are one of them??:rolleyes:

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Maybe, maybe not, Im not claiming to be an Aposlte or a Priest or anything. I'm just planting a seed with hopes that it will fall on fertile ground and the world will be just a little better when the seed has been sown. And by that I dont mean making the world a better place by dicouraging others from joing Greek organizations, because that is not my intentions. Im just trying to clarify why those Christ-like people who have already chosen not to join decided not to join. Because there is a lot of jugement from both sides of the fence and no one wants to take time to really listen to what the other has to say (I am even guilty of that some times, thats I why I do a lot of research before I make decisions).

I know that Greek orgs. take a lot of unnessary mess and such from those proclaiming to be Christian, but whether you believe it or not those Christ-like people who choose not to join get a lot more unnessary mess (because they are the minority in comparison), atleast on college campuses for believing the way they believe. A greek org. on my campus recently held an event targeted specifically at Christians with the intentions on making Chist-like people who dont join greek orgs. look like the "bad ones." I just wish everyone would accept each other more and not see each other as the enemy.

I think there are more important places to "plant seeds" than spreading information on whether or not joining a fraternity/sorority is of God or if itsn't of God. There are people doing things contrary to His Word right there in your community, those who have a noninterest in Greek organizations that your seeds can be planted, watered, and spring forth a harvest. I believe you have a heart to serve God; however, are you being "fruitful" here? Are your "opinions" "seeds" "wisdom" being taken seriously and is it falling on fertile ground. Reevaluate your motives and what God is truly telling you to do. I believe you have the potential to be a "Great witness"...but anyone can change their identity/stance on the internet.

...Food for thought.

Thanks for the imput, your right, there are a lot of people in the community that could use a planted seed and I try to help out when I can. But again, maybe i wasn't clear, Im not trying to "plant seeds" on whether or not joing a fraternity/sorority is of God or not. I am trying to plant seeds on why some Christ-like people decide not to join, so that misconceptions can get cleared up between two groups with different ideas. With the hopes that confusion and anamosity towards one another doesn't build.

^^^It seems that there is a basic lack of understanding how affiliates of the NPHC generally operate. Because I can see how you may be missing the point.

We all know where your idealism exists on becoming closer to God and becoming more Christlike. No one here is critical of that. In fact most of us support your pursuit and hope you attain that, which you seek.

Just to give you more information, all of the NPHC organizations have officers on their "executive boards" that are elected as "chaplains" to mainly minister to their members. This officer position is essential during times of loss, when a member dies. Members who have died have either a public or private ceremony (depending on familial requests) due to their service to their respective NPHC organization and the ceremony has extremely strong Christian overtones. I am not only speaking of my Sorority, but for other NPHC organizations also. In fact several Christian Biblical verses are used in these ceremonies.

That is because the history of the NPHC organizations were founded by Christians and they derived their principles based on what they knew in their churches.

You have not observed the magnitude of various NPHC organizations because you only see what is on your single college campus. And other than your family's choice and a few other situations unknown to all of us "regulars on GC", we are unable to see what exactly you trying to tell us other than what we already know.

From my supposition, apparently, you have just attended some function on your college campus that an NPHC organization had that discussed why those who call themselves Christians refuse to be a part of their organiztion, but form another organization that uses greek symbols and does all the attributes of the NPHC--such as stepping, etc. Please correct me if I am wrong?

Outside of that non-NPHC members stepping discussion alone, and the fact that this discussion should take place in the Greeklife topic thread rather than the AKA Ave or any other NPHC Sorority discussion GC board, there is a bone of contention that one has to take with those who choose outside of the NPHC but want all the accoutrements of that of the NPHC...

Then you stated hazing as a "fact of life". Well it is not... What is hazing? I call it hitting, making someone do things inappropriately to gain membership, degrading and demeaning someone's existance. And if I call myself a Christian, why would I trying to terrorize or belittle someone only to make them my soror later? That is stupid and I am not into that... And I can say that my Sorority is not into that either... And although I do not know all my sorors on the planet, I can say the majority of the ones I have met and come to know are not into that either...

Besides, if one is strong with the Will of God in him or her, then no one can make him or her do anything against God's will...

I think you know the Bible quite well and continue with that, but you have a lack of life experiences, and you have not lived, generally... You are pious, when you need to have more faith... You need more synthesis, bringing it all together for completeness and that comes over time... Bottomline, Who is ultimately "running this show" on Earth??? ;)

My extinct of knowledge about greek life goes a lot further than you may think. But I can see how you would assume I am only knowledgeable about my campus. Actually, my campus isn't big on greek life, most of the groups are suspended. But my knowledge comes from a lot of research and observation of other groups at other schools. Actually, I have a lot of friends that are greek. No, they aren't living Holy lives (but I don't judge them either way). And, Im not doubting that God exist within many greek orgs. Actually, I am sure He does. What I am saying is that some Christ-like people feel like it is too hard to live a Holy life while being apart of these orgs. so they either don't join or denounce membership or whatever.

As far as hazing...well I know thats a touchy topic and I don't want to try to make greek orgs look bad so I am just going to leave that alone. But I know that you can't be that naive to know what goes on in undergrad....all one has to do is look on sites like facebook or myspace to see what members of greek orgs. write about the process.

Focus,

Sisterfriend, I think I can see where you are coming from and I respect your opinion. I agree with much that has been said here. I have also done research on this topic for a while and have come up short because the answers that I seek are not found on the internet but by face to face or direct contact/observation of people. Consider this:

People who are members of BGLO and find no conflict with their walk with Christ rarely (unless in response to a direct question) post a lengthy discussion/description of how the two co-exist, unless they are in elevated positions in ministry. The regular everyday person will not put themselves out there to have their Christianity or their GL affiliation attacked. (You can never defend your Christianity enough because people will purposely miss your point and search for fault in you, ex. reread this thread). It is difficult to prove your Christianity.

Next, your reasoning for why Christians are turned of by BGLO's is based on an individual perspective. I can have a perspective that people who use the internet are going to Hell because it takes time away from service and praying. For some people that very well may be true, but others (who use the internet moderately and as biblical research) that doesnt apply. So that will required individual assessment.

Lastly, the issue that you pose and the forum in which you pose it are going to be a bit sore. Many of the responses to you issue were done in respect. But please believe it can get very ugly and disrespectful, thus proving your point about members of BGLO's. It is the equivalent of going to someone's house and saying people who live in this neighborhood are uneducated, ignorant and dirty. Expect to get dissed (I have learned this lesson courtesy of GC).

Sum it up, more research is needed, Christians generally dont want to be attacked because of their faith or afffiliations and when you go to people house and ask them why there is so much dust on the coffee table, expect them to get offended-do not include the responses in your research.

Be blessed

Some Scriptures
 

Greetings everyone,
First I'd like to start off by saying I too, have been dealing with this very question. I may not be as knowledgeable as Focus, but I've researched the topic a little. I do agree with Focus that God oftimes sends messengers to help us understand those things that we cannot understand on our own. For the Bible tells us that in all of our getting, we needs to get understanding. To AlphaFrog, Focus may not eb the messenger that you need but may be one for someone else.
I think the problem that many people have (Christians) is that many in BGLOs say that their orgs were founded on Christian principles, yet they can never name what these principles are. Service is good, but it goes beyond feeding the homeless and marching... are you seeking to save souls? Does the service that you perform glorify God or does it glorify the organization? (please see Matthew 6:1-4)

Another point is that because they allow people from all faiths (I am not saying this is a bad thing, but someone asked for the Biblical presepective)... 2 Corinthans 6:14-17 says 14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

There also should not be violence (hazing). That can be found in Matthew 5:38-39 (this scripture would also be helpful for those who feel that just because they went through hazing, it must continue). There could also be do display of pride or self exhaltion.(Matthew 23:12). There would not be homosexual activity of the condoning therefore (Romans 1:24-32)

Finally just because something starts off based in Christianity, does not mean that it continues in it. The Bible says that we can lose our savour, please reference Matthew 5:13. I hope this helps to clarify some of the debate.

A long time ago I came to the conclusion that joining a traditional glo wasn't for me as a Christian.( I know its not for everyone) One of the main biblical references for me was the verse that StrongBeauty quoted which says that you should not be bound to an unbeliever (2 Corinthians 6:14). Most greeks I know would agree that joining a greek org is a lot like marriage and despite various interpretations of that verse whether people say it refers to marriage or not, the sentiment is that we shouldn't be bound to people of different faiths. The bible says what we bind on earth will be bound in heaven. Christians know the power in their toungues and if you are making vows and the like binding yourself to people who may not be saved... I realize that seems a little extreme but I hope you get my point. The bible also says that you will know a tree by its fruits. And despite all the wonderful community service that glo's do, its sad to say its tarnished by the hazing incindents, parties, and just the elitist attitude that separates greeks from non-greeks. But regardless of all this, let's say hypothetically speaking, GOD gave someone confirmation that greek life wasn't for them for whatever reason. How many people would give it up to please GOD? Its my humble opinion that most people have a hard time being faithful in the small things, i.e tithing, not having sex outside of marriage, praying, etc., so how can you expect most people to really live their lives in a way to please GOD? How many people seek the kingdom of GOD first and wait for GOD to supply their hearts desires, self included? Getting of my soap box, I don't think GLOs are any more evil than the rest of the world and I think the church makes a mistake to imply that. I don't think they are evil at all, they do a lot of good for the community, probably sometimes more than the church as far as serving the community. But, they are definetly worldly organizations that came from roots of masonry, and much the symbolism used in glos is in direct opposition of Christianity.

Re: Re: Re: GOD and orgs
 

All Christians are supposed to be messengers of GOD. Its called the Great Commission. Be blessed. ;)

NewBee, StrongBeauty, and Focus: Do you ladies attend Christian universities?

I graduated from a secular university for my ugrad degree. I am attending a seminary now but if this is going where I think it could be going, I will say that I did not take an oath or vow to my university.

Please don't make assumptions. I was simply asking a question.... No need to get defensive in advance.

Another question for the same three: Did you join a site specifically targeted to Greeks simply to come in and tell Greeks how wrong their choice is?

I do not go to a Christian university. When I joined the site back in 2001, I was an interest. Since then, well, alot has changed. None of the people who made comments about greek organizations not being compatible with the Christian lifestyle started this thread, so I would assume that we are all just having a healthy debate and replying to topics that catch our attention as you are. My intent in responding to this post was not to offend anyone or to tell anyone that the choice they made was wrong. Rather, I hoped to show why some Christians whether former interests or former greeks do not feel as if being in a glo is compatible with their Christian walk.

One can not condemn a sorority or frat for coming between them and their religion. I think its about having a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. In the final analysis your religion or church or sorority or frat won't save you. Only Jesus saves! I believe it is one's choice as to how they perceive their walk with God in relationship to their GLO. As one matures and or develops a personal relationship with God, the organization will propose no conflict with one's beliefs. As an undergrad I did things differently while in college-so I have learned to put away some childish things. Christianity is a maturing process and one doesn't get there overnight! Some religions are too legalistic in their views and judge anything that is not according to their doctrine. As my Bishop said in this morning's sermon- don't just go to church and isolate one's self, Jesus went among those in the world. Christians are in the world but not of the world. We should be a bridge to help someone to know Christ.

Another question for the same three: Did you join a site specifically targeted to Greeks simply to come in and tell Greeks how wrong their choice is?

Inquiring minds want to know. Question copied, bolded and enlarged just in case they missed it...

Actually, you did. You took an oath to uphold the rules and regulations of that University (somewhere in the stack of papers you get in orientation).

It is all about individual perspective and where you are spiritually. Some could argue that you are yoking yourself with unbelievers by the school that you choose. I chose not to go to a particular HBCU in Florida just because of its reputation for being extra wild. I knew I couldnt handle that. Just a thought.

Actually I did miss it, thanks for the enlargement. Secondly who said it was the wrong choice? I surely didn't. Someone asked from the Biblical prespective, what was wrong with BGLO, so I gave a Biblical answer. If I recall correctly it was a member of a BGLO who initially posed this question. It's like I heard growing up, don't ask questions you aren't ready to hear the answer to and if someone else is asking, you can cover your ears or leave the room. I am not trying to be rude but that's just real. Sometimes I think people get offended when they know someone else is wrong because no matter what I have to say on the matter, the scriptures are still the same.

For one, I knew of Jesus when I came to college, I didn't know Him for myself. That is a HUGE difference. I could not have been unequally yoked with darkness because I was in darkness, so that argument is dead because I was right where I belonged (if you want to argue that point). I think by accepting the offer for admission I agreed to uphold the rules and regulations of the university. I never took an oath. I never took a vow. Now for some classes I had to sign a paper saying that I agreed not to cheat, use the internet inappropriately, turn things in on time, etc... not once did I sign anything acknowledging an idol God, symbolic or otherwise. Never once did I get on my knees or light a candle or hold up my right hand and say I pledge, vow, will do, honor the ideas, traditions, blah blah blah to xyz university.

^^^So what is your point? Are you here to dissaude Christians from choosing to join a BGLO or not? And why are you telling us, those who are in GLO's, this kind information?

So, let me get this straight..you didn't say it is wrong you just said that jesus doesn't like it?

Re: Religion vs. sorority/frat
 

I quote this to again show that people were just answering the original question that was addressed in an open forum to everyone. No one came here greek bashing and saying everyone that is in a greek org is going to hell. I don't think anyone of the posters who gave an "unpopular" opinion believe that. However, people quoted scriptures on why some Christians feel as if its not for them. BE BLESSED!

When did you ladies decide that you DID NOT want to be members of a BGLO? What made you come to that conclusion?

I don't know if anyone has kommented on this but if BGLOS are "SOOOO WRONG" then how kome some prominent individuals in the Church are members such as my frat Rev. Dr. Ralph Abernathy and Dr. Rev. Joseph H. Evans who was the first black President to head the United Church of Christ. I just don't understand why people want to make this Krusade against BGLOS when we don't say anything about people in the Church and lets be real just bekause someone says they are Christian does not mean they live Christian like. I EARNED my letters and KAPSI has been in my heart since I knew my daddy pledged and not once have I ever put it before God. My greekdom does not take the place of my faith so don't try and preach to me... Thats why I go to Mass.....Be blessed

I am not here to pursaude or dissause anyone. It was a question that I had the information at hand to answer so I answered it. Nothing more, nothing less. Again about telling someone who's in a GLO this information... someone in a GLO asked the question to begin with so why is the person(s) answering it getting the hard time?