Michigan universities Rush
 

Western doesn't have rush until mid-September. If I hear anything I will let you know!

rush at Michigan State
 

Rush at Michigan State is September 14-22.
For more information about rush, you can find all our info on http://www.gogreek.msu.edu
IF you want even more info you can PM me but please use the GC search function. I have posted a lot of information on a former thread on Greek Life about rush at MSU. I wish i knew enough to post that link. (maybe someone else could?)
A lot of rush dates can also be found on the rush thread: When does the fun begin (again maybe someone could link it....)
On this thread i found
U Mich ann arbor is September 12, 14, 18, 19, 23, 25

I'm rushing U of M Ann Arbor, but it doesn't start for weeks!!!! Mixers start on September 12 and Bid Day is September 25.
Don't worry though, I'll be posting my rush experience, in full detail!!

sailorpiphi I PMed you

Elena

PM_Mama00

The Phi Mu chapter here at Michigan State is no longer active. They haven't been active for like a year and a half now.

Elena

Wayne State's sorority rush doesnt start for another two weeks. Since yesterday was the first day of school rush has started for us. We have about three "for sures" so far.

Western Michigan's recruitment ended today. They have 9 sororities on campus:
APhi
AXO
AZD
AOPi
DG
DZ
PiPhi
SK
XO

Quota was 21, and I just heard that my girls made quota! Yayy! Quota was 21 back when I was rush chair in 1996, so it's good to see numbers are still the same. I haven't heard about any of the other houses, and probably won't for a few weeks.

As my final post here:
My feelings as having been screwed by the system were just that, my feelings. And as so, they aren't really up for you to decide if they are wrong. this is NOT a system that has been used for years and years, this is the first year testing a completely new system. My feelings were based on talking to girls i know in houses, the 3 rho omegas that i talked to when decided to drop, and other girls who rushed, successfully and not.

And for everyone else, yes i am aware it is a mutual selection so the girls in some/a lot/all the houses just plain old didnt like me.

What a shame you feel this way:(

I do not pretend to Know anything of the Soroitys rush procedures. But, there may have been reasons beyond the control of the local Chapters.

Before you get upset and in a snit, there may be other ways to check it out!

There are none of us whom know the Actual facts, you and you alone have to make the final decision!

Whether it was good, bad, or ugly, We do not know!

What ever Path You decide to trod down, you know, we wish you The Very Best!:)

Michigan State Results
 

Quota was 28

Of the 13 groups 11 matched quota plus
One was a few off, and one was many off quota.

Alpha Phi matched quota plus!!! Go Beta Beta!

This is totally a thread hijack, but whenever I hear about a school where a ton of chapters make quota plus and others miss by a mile, it makes me REALLY hate guaranteed placement.

what is the point of quota plus? Coz those girls could have also placed elsewhere so that doesn't make sense.

I know alot of schools have the 'free junior' rule and I don't like that coz it makes a junior who could still have 3 good full years left seem like she isn't as important. Granted it is nice to have more frosh & sophs around but you never know if they're going to graduate early or deactivate.

Actually, any girl who was a quota addition would, under guaranteed placement, have gone to a chapter that made quota and would have just been a quota addition somewhere else.

The purpose of quota plus is to reward those who make it through to Pref at the maximum # of houses. Those rushees are guaranteed a bid. So if Susie Rushee prefs at ABC, DE, and FGH, but isn't high enough on any of their bid lists to match there, she still gets a bid to one of their houses.

Quota plus actually isn't great for the pledge class either. If your university explains quota plus to the rushees the way mine does, all the girls will know exactly what being a quota addition means. Then, if quota is 30 but your pledge class is 34, you wonder "okay, 4 of us were basically shoved down ABC's throat. What if I'm one of them?" Sure, the chapter had to want you there if you preffed there, but most girls don't figure that out until they do rush on the other side.

It just doesn't seem like a fair system. IMO, a Panhellenic that allows most chapters to take quota plus when one or more are really struggling is just kicking those chapters when they're down.

thats depressing. That is a kick to the ego but most people at Michigan don't care if they're the extra as long as they're at a cool house or a house where they want to be.

I agree with your opinion about guaranteed placement. people should be allowed to rank the 3 housees she prefs at first but also rank the rest of the parties she went to the previous round. coz obviously those other houses wanted her too but if she can only pick 3 of the 6 its not like she had cut the other 3 houses.

This is a terrible attitude about our new members!
 

Two comments, as I have been doing bid matching for the last 6 years as rush advisor --
1. ANY WOMAN WHO IS INVITED TO PREFERENCE SHOULD BE THOUGHT OF AS A POTENTIAL MEMBER BY THE SORORITIY INVITING HER. So it shouldn't matter whether that woman is matched in quota additions or not. The sorority still liked her enough to invite her to their preference party and put her on their bid list. They KNEW that they were potentially extending a bid to her. And NO ONE I know of thinks of quota additions as "wow, we had to take 3 girls we didn't like so much" -- they ALWAYS think "wow, we got to get three more great girls for our pledge class!!!). If they don't think that way, maybe they need to think harder about who they invite to preference. And frankly, after doing this for many years I can tell you that I would rather have a class of girls who really wanted to be in my sorority than a class of girls who we "had to have" who really didn't want to be with us. It is more often that not that the girls who were "top of the list" do NOT go on to be the really strong members. I think this attitude of seeing quota additions as having to take members we "really didn't want" is negative and elitist. With our overall shrinking numbers as greeks we should be jumping for joy for EVERY SINGLE PERSON who wants to join our sororities or fraternities.

2. QUOTA ADDITIONS ARE OFTEN A WAY TO KEEP FROM HAVING TO HAVE SYSTEM DROPS, WHICH SUCK. We have had a struggling chapter on our campus for years. They have a FABULOUS advisor who recognizes that girls who pref the more popular chapters are likely NOT going to take a bid from this chapter if they don't match from their two preferences, and has allowed the other chapters to take quota addditions even though this chapter is usually FAR from quota. Is it entirely fair? No. But is it fair to have girls who participate in rush all week and ARE wanted by chapters (b/c they were invited to their preference -- see comment #1) be dropped because another chapter is struggling? I think it is FAR BETTER to make the more popular chapters cut larger numbers earlier in the week so girls have to consider other chapters than take these women to preference and then not offer them a bid.

TO ANY POTENTIAL NEW MEMBER -- I really really hope that you all believe that EVERY member of a pledge class is considered a valuable and cherished new member. In my experience we are all THRILLED to have a new member except a bid to our fraternity.:mad:

In my experience at my school many of the rushees would not have gone to those struggling chapters. I had a very good friend in one of the two weak chapters at A&M and there is no way I would have gone to her chapter. Every semester they had to deal with the fact that they may have to close their doors and every rush they did not have enough actives-it was a stress and I did not want to deal with that-I had enough stress with school.
Eventually they did close and re-organized 1.5 years later-which was a huge mistake due to their reputation. They finally closed for good about 2 years after the re-organization.

Re: This is a terrible attitude about our new members!
 

Ditto, Ditto, Ditto

If they made it to preference then we would be glad to have them in the chapter no matter how they were placed.

Oh, I'm in total agreement with that one! But those two, or three, or four quota additions translate into even more girls who will be around for Recruitment the next year, making the smaller chapters seem even smaller by comparison.

It seems like quota additions can work really well on some campuses, but not well on others. At some universities, they help stabilize the system, while at others, mine included, they overly inflate two or three (or however many) chapters.

And to PiPhiERDoc, I want to make it perfectly clear that is NOT my attitude about new members. I was speaking from the experience of having several of my friends join a sorority (not mine) where their class had a lot of quota additions, and it got them all rather puzzled and paranoid. Not knowing how rush works from the other side (and not having read at GC I presume :) ) they didn't know what an honor being invited to pref was. And it wasn't like I could give them any insight -- we all rushed the same year and I was just as clueless as they were! :) I highly doubt any sorority has that attitude about ANY of their new members, they're thrilled to have all of them at their house.

The more I read at GC, the more convinced I am that my school just has an unusually dysfunctional greek system and maybe I should just not open my mouth again.

back to the original question
 

Here is what I know about some of the Michigan Recruitments:

Wayne State University: 30 women went through recruitment and signed bids. Quota was 8. KD and DZ got quota, AGD and AEPhi both got 6, 2 did not match. None of the chapters are at Chapter Total so they will all be doing COR/COB. Bid Day was 9/21.

Eastern Michigan University: Can't find the details right now, but 3 of 7 chapters made quota (which was 9). Bid Day was 9/14.

I only know AGD stats for the other chapters...

Dee

i don't think that the orgional poster meant that the CHAPTER considered additions as a bad thing....she said that the way her school explains it to the pnms it makes it sound like the houses who take additions were forced to take them.

so for instance, if you are a new member and your class has 34 members, but you know quota was 30, you wonder which one of you wasn't wanted. as a new member, you probably aren't going to understand the system that if you were invited to pref that you were wanted by the chapter. honestly, there are tons of current members who don't get that either.

Yay! Someone gets me! :)

quota plus
 

Quite honestly, I had never heard quota plus described as anything but positive. When you order your bid list, you want ALL the girls. If quota is 30, does it really matter if PNM was #2 or #28 on the list? You are still going to extend that bid. I always thought as quota plus as a bonus to the chapter b/c you are getting more of the girls you wanted. Never would I have thought they were being "forced" upon the chapter.