1 less fraternity at SDSU
 

well i have word that we will have 1 less fraternity at sdsu this year....
it has not officially been announced yet, so i dont want to say anything, but i will post everything that i know (and i know a lot) as soon as i get word back from the greek advisors....

well im interested

I don't want to sound like a jerk, but what is the point of this thread. If the decision has not been decided, or announced than this thread is purely gossip. The amount of gossip that goes on within the greek system is one of my pet peeves and reflects negatively on the greek system. I am sure that my friends in Kappa Sig and TKE wouldn't be very pleased to hear about these rumors. I don't want to sound like an a-hole, but you shouldn't be posting stuff like this unless you can give us any reliable info. It makes you seem as though you are rooting for another fraternity to get the boot. I am familiar with the SDSU greek system and at the rate that fraternities are getting the boot there will be little or no greek system in the years to come. I am sorry, but I'm sick of BS rumors.

My visit to SDSU (1st week of Aug.)
 

I drove by the new Fraternity Row, and was mucho impressed by the building and concept.

(For those who haven't seen it, the SDSU Foundation built a big three-story building, with separate spaces for six or eight fraternities. It's beautiful on the outside, with cool California colors/stucco, and a great location).

Two doors were open, so I visited (I think it was DSP and ZBT).

Both of these brand new houses were already garbage dumps, full of junk and crap. They both showed a complete lack of cleaning effort, lack of any leadership, and lack of alumni supervision.

What a shame - a great new facility ruined by these two chapters in less than a year.

Obviously you came in on a bad day, because ours is normally the cleanest. In fact, I want to know what day you supposedly came in because our courtyard was clean until that Friday night. And it was cleaned that next morning.

Alumni Supervision? We have the one of the oldest and strongest alumni associations among IFC. All you saw was cosmetic; some sweeping and trash collecting. For you to say that our alumni, who come to our house almost every day to check up on the house, are supervising us poorly is a huge ASSumption.

Our house manager is one of the best we've had. Yes, last yr we dirtied our house, but no worse than any other chapter there. The guy in there now MAKES SURE that the courtyard and house are at least presentable. We've probably swept and hosed the courtyard and mopped the chapter room every day last week.

Leadership? How dare you accuse my chapter of having no leadership just based on that. By that token, every single fraternity there has poor leadership. I'm not going to say who, but there are other houses there that probably would have given you a heart attack by your standards.

Besides, don't you have people over at your place at night? When people party, don't they make at least a little mess? At the same time, a responsible person would clean it up ASAP right? Well, we always make sure it's cleaned the next day.

Take this into account: the University STOPPED having the hallway walls cleaned and the carpets shampooed. It was supposed to be done last July, and due to shotty work and lazy workers they didn't get it done till this last January. It's may look good, but the actual support work to make sure it was durable was shit (our first floor walls still heavnt been sealed for the rain and the walls often are wet.)

Have you been to any other fraternity house at SDSU? They all pretty much are kept at the same level. Damn, I guess none of us have any leadership? I guess Josh's house (ALSO at frat row) doesn;t know what they're doing. Wanna respond Josh?

THis is probably just one of those posts that you make to piss people off and you just sit back and enjoy it. But I'm not gonna let a pissant racist instigator like you ASSume how my chapter is run, especially since you haven't actually made it clear what GLO you're in, and since you love to revel in GLOs having risk management issues.

wow...i didn’t know that there were people who would be so pissed by this...i almost don’t know what to say...

phigamucsb:
sorry you are acting like an ass... however, there are rumors and gossip in the greek system--get used to it, i have. it's a way of life...it's the drama. you know that if you heard that another fraternity on your campus had their charter pulled you would react in the same way. since i have been at state i have seen more fraternities get in trouble. my house was one of them with 14 months of probation. i have seen houses kicked off campus...kappa sig and tke...don’t you have friends in those ones? anyway, its not that i am happy that they all get kicked off. i actually have friends in almost every house, and the house in question is actually one of the houses that my house is really cool with. i understand your little pet peeves with gossip and shit, but get over it. if you don’t like it, then don’t pay attention to it. you will save your self a lot of stress buddy.

hoosier:
wow, what a bitch! you don’t go to sdsu. you have never experienced our greek system. you know nothing about fraternity row. yet you make judgments about the character of some of the houses in fraternity row...why is that?
i can tell you that yes, on the outside fraternity row looks perfect...just like sdsu foundation wanted. score 1 point for you. oh wait, you just drove by it and stoped for a visit....so you were not there for the delays in construction, the constant problems, floods, broken elevators, crumbling stucco of great "California colors," the constant rules, police in the hallways, security guards calling noise complaints...yeah i would say it appears perfect. in reality every chapter that has a house in fraternity row would tell you that it is a piece of shit.
what you said about a few of the chapters members because their house was dirty...you really must be an arrogant fuck! did you meet any of the members? pledges? exec boards? alum? did you? you said you went to zbt and it was trashy...well the fraternity row resident manager is a zbt, and he does not let them keep their place trashy. my house is next to theirs....did it meet your standards?
i don’t know what fraternity houses are like where you come from....but i can only assume that they are huge...old...filled with antique furniture...clean...and every member is perfect by nature. they have leadership that could move mountains. they never have trash or parties. is every member a 40 year old anal retentive prick living in a 19 year olds body?

personally, if our house was perfectly clean all the time i think id be pretty pissed, cause then we would probably never be having any parties or random shenanigans nights. i agree with josh and deltasig. they coulda thrown parties the night before and you just saw the after math....what a tool

If a chapter at my school got pulled I wouldn't do the same thing(post pure gossip on the internet.. I think not). Hey everyone I heard about this thing but I can't tell you until later(really cool).
Just because rumors and gossip are part of the greek system doesn't mean that we fraternity men need to gossip like old women.Like I said there is really no point to this thread until you come forward with your highly classified info.

P.S. Correct me if I'm wrong, but TKE's charter hasn't been pulled they're just no longer recognized by SDSU. The last time that I had talked to my buddies at Kappa Sig their appeal had gone well and were expected back on campus. By the way the girls in AXO at SDSU are so damn hot.

Yes, in 2000, they were kicked out the same weekend as Beta. And, of course, TKE's national decided to keep them on without IFC recognition.

HMMMMM, I have never known a Fraterity House Looking Like something out of a Magazine.:) Well unless it was really cleaned up for the Pix!

Assumptions can be very misleading to some!:o But I do know if I went down to My Chapter House, there would be beer cans in the yard and the shrubs!:mad: Now that does piss me off!:mad: :mad:

Side note, any of you Guys from SDSU know anything about LXA recolonizing there?

If your Nationals are like ours, everything is a big Damn Secret!:rolleyes:

hoosier, while I usually back you, I too wondered from whence you came on this one?? :confused:

This isn't that sort of message board...
 

I could really care less about this thread because it involves, nor interests me in no way. However, in my short time on GC, I have found that this is not just another trashy message board where people post inappropriate and degrading messages. In life their will be disaggreements, but lets uphold a certain level of respect towards each other and keep the "trash talk" off GC.

On a separate note, just out of curiousity, if a GLO is not recognized by the campus, how do they go about recruiting new members? Is it all underground? How does this affect their involvement in campus-sponsored activities?

lambda chi will be re colonizing this spring 2004. i am on the expansion committee and i will let you know whatever you want (if i can) as soon as things get going. i know they have meet at least a few times with the advisors already. they still own a house located on the corner of Montezuma and campanile. my house lived in it when lambda chi got kicked off until a year ago, and this past year it has been occupied by sigma pi. i know their lease ends after this coming year. i don’t know if lambda chi will reoccupy it or if it is scheduled to be torn down before fall 2004.

I thought they were moving to the Sammy House? I thouht they bought it?

they may have, i dont know for sure. but as of right now they still own their old house, and sdsu foundation is susposed to buy the property to build an elder hostil.

Thanks Guys!:cool:

HPUpike, if you do not care, then why post?:confused:

If you do not like GC they why be here???:rolleyes:

If you do not Know everything, then why ask as you dont seem to care one way or the other!

There are many people who do care, so screw off!:(

so is sigma pi gonna be left ou tin the cold then? where they gonna move 2?......hmmmmmm and yea i gotta agree with that fiji from ucsb....axo is way hot, also the greek system at state is way bigger than at ucsb where from what i hear it isnt that strong, probably why the rumor mill is way bigger deal down here. also people are concerned about frats maybe getting kicked off cause its happened so much in the past

yeah, i have no idea....that really sucks for them if they dont have a house.

and i got some privilege info this evening.....it really sucks that the trend of diminishing fraternities at state has to continue. i'm not gonna say what house...it seems that no one really wants to be part of the "gossip." even if it is not intended to be that.

My visit to SDSU
 

I visited the house on the end, across from Sigma Pi, about 6:30 p.m., entering thru an unlocked side wooden door.

If the previous night's party mess was still not cleaned up, it shows pretty poor leadership.

I also entered an open door to a house about three door down, which I think was ZBT. Their living room furniture was strewn around, and a huge weight lifting maching (probably broken) was the dominant piece of furniture. I think the powder room door was broken off, and several months accumulation of dirt and mold were in piles everywhere.

Not a pretty sight. Not a responsible chapter.

Umm....Sigma Pi is not on Frat row. It's on the corner three streets down. The closest GLO is Theta and ACHIO, not fraternities.

Well, at least I know you're not talking about my house, cause we don't have a side wooden door. I'm assuming you're talking about Kappa Sig then. Well, the house has been clean everytime I've walked by it, so don't let one day define your little ASSumption of us.

Guys, just ignore his troll ass. He never even responded to our argument against him, just lashing at us with this "no responsibility" bullshit. You see how he gets off on reading risk management articles.

"THis is probably just one of those posts that you make to piss people off and you just sit back and enjoy it. But I'm not gonna let a pissant racist instigator like you ASSume how my chapter is run, especially since you haven't actually made it clear what GLO you're in, and since you love to revel in GLOs having risk management issues."

You really are a credit to DSP. Two of the houses I visited at SDSU suck.

Sorry if my old memory is fading, and am sorry if I got DSP confused with some lame chapter.

Tell me, what is the fraternity in the old house across from the new Fraternity Row?

I'm not even going to argue with you anymore. Your little assumption of how a chapter is in overall operations is based on something so insignificant. I bet your chapter sucks....oh wait, you've never had the balls to say what GLO you're in and where.

Go ahead and talk shit. You spent one day here. What great credibility.

Insert monospace text into your message
 

I doubt if you can even pronounce the next CA governor's name, or make a post without foul language.

wow making a cut at our governor as an insult for delta sig wow thats pretty hurtful....im guessing you u go to OU cause your name is hoosier, also its summer time, things get shitty during the summer, their are a lot of randoms, not many bros around, and things do seem to fall into disaray. but once school starts all the frats will be back to full strength and all the houses clean.

Two of the houses I visited at SDSU suck- because they werent clean? wow what a f***ing stereotype youve made.


Tell me, what is the fraternity in the old house across from the new Fraternity Row?- youre probably thinking of delta upsilon which truthfully is an old dilapidated house, but you cant tell the strength of a chapter by the house they live in, at least you cant at SDSU, so we dont you shut your trap until you actually meet some of the guys in the houses you are talking trash on before you jump to conclusions about how shitty they are. and next time i welcome you to come by our house and talk s*** on us just cause theirs a little trash around......you sound like our freakin housing corporation

Aside from chapters closing etc...

Why would you just let yourself into a house? Yes the door is unlocked but you were not an invited guest. Even if you are a brother that is just plain rude. Trespassing is not only illegal, it is RUDE.

Maybe there was trash and garbage or furniture all over, but it was the weekend, who knows what went on the night before. In my ideal world every party has clearly labeled bins for recycling and trash and people abide by it. If you weren't there the night before you have no idea if some party crashers trashed it or not. That would be like me basing all people from Indiana being a-holes because of one person from Indiana with no manners.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fingerbang
'....im guessing you u go to OU cause your name is hoosier..."

Huh?

Last I heard, Hoosiers were mostly from Indiana.

O.U. would generally be Ohio University or University of Oklahoma -- neither of which is in a state beginning with an "I". Are you thinking of Sooners?

As for letting yourself into a chapter house, the point is taken unless you are a member of that fraternity or sorority.

Any initiated brother, sister or alum should be welcome. To not welcome them is rude. Aren't they part of your Greek family? Or, do the terms Brother and Sister mean something else?

Most alums would likely KNOCK or RING first as it is a mannerly thing to do. I doubt many alums would go through a side door instead of proudly walking up the front steps and announcing their presence in the usual fashion with the aid of a doorbell or a knock, then be welcomed with open arms.

sorry got it mixed up with sooner..............

No DOUBT. Especially for the sorority houses--if someone unknown person wandered into our house, we'd have security on them in no time. You can't be too careful, even with well-meaning alums from back in the day before co-education who just want to see what a sorority house is like.

I can't imagine that someone would let themselves into the houses on my campus--the house mother would call security, there would be big drama...

On the other hand, at a lot of fraternity houses, people can't be bothered to answer the house phone, let alone the door.

Can't tell you how often I've stood on a porch and knocked and rang to no avail. So now, if the door is not locked, I walk in, approach the first person I see, introduce myself and ask if any of the officers are in.

DeltaAlum, agree with you totally! If I go to a LXA Chapter House, I just walk in and try to find someone to introduce my self to!

I have been welcomed as a Brother from all except Ok U who were to busy playing pinpong to say HI!:o

One of the Best Receptions was at U Tenn. Remember tham fondly.

UMKC and William-Jewell Brothers were Great. U Ks. an eeh!:(

But as we all know, each Chapter is different!:)

Shown through the S N New House in William-Jewell and the SX House at Pitt St. Ks. So each Fraternity is also different!:cool:


Also hope that a Fraterity may not be out of a House:(

Also from the sound of SDSU Greek Situation it is very tuff. Good to hear it cant be LXA who may be in trouble as not there yet!:cool:

hey i just got more info...
lambda chi bought the house in fraternity row that sammy is currently living in.

Josh, thanks for update!!!!!!!:)

More info will be appreciated from you and Stan!

We on GC find out more than from Hdq!:(

Best to Both in the New Year!!:)

I'll be inspecting their house
 

I'll be inspecting their house during my next SDSU visit.

Oh, HOOSIER,

I wish we could all meet up in SD and go to Old Town for Mex and Margs!:) :cool:




Not Bad For a Boy From Ks. , TOTO! :D

Ate Flipper in Ocean Beach one Nite!:)

Fact: unless Hoosier is a member of either fraternity that he walked into, or is a student/alum of SDSU who knows people at those chapters, what he did is pretty mofoing rude, not to mention trespassing in many people's books, including mine.

hoosier, if your evaluation of the strength of a fraternity is based on something petty like whether or not houses (which you oh so arrogantly invaded) were clean to your satisfaction, you are more pathetic than I thought. then again, you probably think any chapter that can't afford a maid and butler should be closed down. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If we were there next weekend, we could go to the Championship of the WUSA (Women's United Soccer Assn.). My fav sport. Atlanta plays Washington, DC (Mia Hamm's team)

I like the pizzas at Pizzeria Uno, too, (Guinness on tap) and there's a great breakfast place close by. Good fish tacos there too.

I can't believe I watched that entire semi final only to have Atlanta score in the 90th minute then win in GG.......

I'm probably still going to go though. I get tickets practically free through AYSO.

I guess getting yelled at by coaches and parents while running around a field for 90 minutes and trying to keep two teams of aggressive teens while NOT getting paid actually has paid off......

Meh, I'm just going to ref club.....


Wait, what are we talking about?

Hoosier has never seen anyone knocking on the door at a fraternity house. Most people walk in, and look for someone to talk to. If you knocked on the door of most fraternities - especially during the summer - you would be standing there a long time.

Probably at a sorority, they have an officer or a little old lady alumna assigned to answer the door 24/7.

One way to see if a restaurant is any good is to look at their trash cans. Another way is to look at the restrooms. A good restaurant takes care of both.

One way I evaluate fraternties is on appearance - good chapters take care of their houses and furniture, trash and restrooms.

Also on my list of recently-visited chapters needing janitorial help are

SPE at Cal-Poly SLO
LXA at Cal-Poly SLO
Several at UCLA

My compliments to Sigma Nu at SLO - a very neat house.

I understand that you can't make the pledges clean the house anymore, but there has to be someway to get the job done - everyday, everyweek.

Here's an idea--why don't you travel the country, cleaning fraternity houses, before you start criticizing GLOs you have little to no experience with otherwise?:rolleyes:

So before going into a restaurant, you go and check out their trash situation? I think that's called being a bum.

And if you evaluate fraternities on appearance, how do you evaluate fraternities without houses???

I know that as an alum I go back and the only reason for my visit is to check on the upkeep of the house. I have a very special bond with this one couch too...I could care less about my brothers, I really LOVE this couch.