Curious about Dry fraternities
 

Hi, I'll be rushing in a few weeks and I was just curious about which fraternities are still Nationally "wet". Its not an important part to me but any info would be great. Thanks!

These are the one's that I know are dry at my school leaving me to think the rest would be wet
Theta Chi
FIJI

So thus making the wet ones
Kappa Delta Rho
Sigma Alpha Epsilon
Phi Kappa Psi
Pike Kappa Alpha
Phi Kappa Phi
Beta Theta Phi
Alpha Sigma Phi
Tau Kappa Epsilon
Triangle
Sigma Phi Epsilon

Correct me if I'm wrong:)

The only fraternity that I know of that is nationally dry (i.e. dry house) is Phi Delta Theta.

ETA: Rocketaxid, SigEp is at my school too and they are definitely not dry.

I thought Theta Chi and FIJI were dry?....hmmm

nm my bad i didnt see those posts....thanks

To answer this there are two type of SigEp chapters. The traditional which I'm guessing you have and the balanced man which we have. It's my understanding that SigEp is moving towards all chapters being balanced man chapters.

Our chapter switched over after this small incident in which the house was trashed and accidently set on fire my freshman year, talk about a big oops. So to keep their charter they switched over and kicked a bunch of people out.

last year Theta Chi was experimenting with a dry policy, only implementing it in certain chapters i do belive ( i know this because the chapter at my school was one of th experimenting ones) they might be dry here. technically, according to insurance all fraternity houses should be dry.

HAHA that's a very wet chapter. SigEp at my school gave off the impression of being dry - but they weren't. I think Delta Sigma Phi is supposed to be nationally dry.

And being "balanced man" v. "traditional" is a whole other ballgame but has nothing to do with them being dry - chapter at my last school was a BMP chapter and they weren't dry.

courtesy o' Theta Chi
 

Here is a list of the 11 that are nationally dry. Others may be dry by school.

http://www.thetachi.org/AFH/

Hum... I guess SigEp's at my school being dry has more to do with the incident even though it was four years ago (see my post above) involving fire, water (broken tolits) and all kinds of other stuff

Are all the NPC's dry?

NPC HOUSES are dry. Chapters are not.

We're not dry.

Farmhouse has long been "dry" as a policy (though I've seen the policy violated), Sigma Nu, ATO both nationally went dry (4 years ago?) - Phi Delts and a few others were considering it.

LXA isn't "dry" - though that may change with liability insurance - we may not have a choice in a few years.

We were the first to go Nationally Dry but have a waiver thing, something about the chapter being above the All University's GPA then you can have like a six pack per 21 yr old.

I was wondering if that was recent... (we have a QC chapter at my campus.)

We also have FDQ on our campus too.

(at least they are both dry now, it will make things easier to explain.)

The Kappa Sig house at UF is dry, eventhough there are no dry housing initiatives through our nationals. Many people think that if a chapter is dry then they don't drink at all, or do not rush guys that do. That is a big misconception. Not every guy in the chapter is a bible-thumper, and drinking for a good time is allowed just not in the house without a 3rd party vendor.

well my friend is a kappa sig at UF and they are alot different than most other kappa sig chapters i've seen.

Very true, the guys i've met from their chapter were a little more conservative than others, but they were great guys nonetheless. Kappa Sig at UF is a big chapter, you are bound to find hardcore partiers.

We have a couple of Phi Delta Thetas staying at our complex this summer (We don't have them at SDSU, they're South Dakota Alphas, the chapter our Assistant Coordinator/Advisor to IFC and Panhellenic is from), and they are STRICTLY dry, and they're the biggest house at the University of South Dakota. I know several Phi Delt chapters that are like this.

I wish we knew how to get around things like this and operate like that. Going dry has KILLED some chapters numberwise.

We never had alcohol at our formals or semiformals... or anything else for that matter. Strictly verboten.

Same here. And at the time I would say the majority of us were over 21. The restrictions were just too difficult to weed through. Easier just to not have alcohol.

And then there's other chapters who just won't stay dry...that ruin it for everyone else.

not so, there are restrictions set up on how alcohol can be in the house and under what circustances you get in trouble for it. In Phi Sigma Kappa if you're 21 or older you can have alcohol in the house. Parties, although, muct follow FIPG regulations. If your house is dry it does help with your risk reduction and you may even get a break on liability when it comes to paying for insurance.

The FIJI's on my campus voluntarily went dry around 1999 or so. Their national headquarters awarded them some ridiculous amount, like $10,000, for agreeing to go dry. Soon thereafter, membership and popularity bottomed out in the chapter. I heard that they managed to raise all of the $10,000 or so do give back to NHQ so they could be a "wet" chapter again. :D

In all reality, they never went dry. They would just pull their couches out onto the sidewalk where the land was city owned, and technically off their property, and drink there on the sidewalk.:rolleyes:

I knew about sigma nu from one of my friends who went to Rochester, but at USC, Sigma Nu is definitely not dry!! Ditto on ATO....and Phi Delt was kicked off of the row at USC, but before they were kicked off, they were definitely not dry at all...In fact the only house I know of who is at all dry at sc are the delts....and they just have a dry rush.

:eek: that's hardcore! I would think that if you did that at sc, people would just show up drunk to formals/semiformals and bring flasks though (some do anyways!)

Dry formals and semi-formals? We had cash bars at our events. If you were 21 and wanted to shell out the bucks, you could drink. You just have to be at a third party vendor with a liquor license and bartender.

Hmm... now that I think about it, I'm not sure if our alcohol policy would have allowed a third-party vendor. My chapter was relatively small, and there were few enough 21+ sisters who drank that we never even bothered to ask.

I turned 21 early in my senior year. Both our semiformal and our formal that year were in hotels, and we were allowed to go to the hotel's bar, buy a drink, and bring it back to the function. And afterwards, we went drinking ;)

At my senior-year semiformal, there was a bat mitzvah going on next door. We had a really good DJ, but no alcohol. They had an open bar, but their band played mostly big-band stuff (obviously mom and dad picked the music :) ). The kids kept sneaking into our semiformal to dance to our music. I wanted to arrange a trade - they crash our semiformal and dance, we crash their bat mitzvah and drink ;)

Not sure if this really matters, but...
 

On my small campus with only 9 GLO's, none of the 4 fraternities are dry. However, it seems to me that the only issue to be had with having alcohol at any event is what form it is in. It just seems as though no one cares if the XYZ's have 15 cases of Budwieser, but if ZYX has a keg at their function, the sh#t hits the fan...not sure why this is? Any ideas?

isn't Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia "Dry"

Re: Not sure if this really matters, but...
 

I think because theoretically you can buy more beer for less money with kegs, which is what they are trying to prevent, although that's obviously not always true.

I don't believe so. Rush events and such are dry, but since the house is unofficial, alcohol is fine there, and was allowed when they had the house next to LXA. For mixers/formal/etc, as long as it goes through a 3rd party vendor it's fine.

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It's an insurance issue - kegs are considered "mass consumption" containers, or something similar (can't remember the "legal" term you see in policies), where cans/bottles are not.

Never made sense to me - whereas if 150+ people are at a party, what's the difference between 2-3 kegs and 5-10 cases of beer? None that I can see, but the insurance industry must have actuarial numbers to support the distinction.

Whether going dry hurts your chapter is going to depend on the kind of guys you were getting in the first place. Several chapters went dry on my campus around the same time. One has stayed the same size, one has grown, and the other initially shrunk quite a bit. But that house was known as a "party house," where you could always find beer and pot. The guys joined for a party, and that's what they recruited for, so all of a sudden their image was pulled out from under them.

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Kegs, pony kegs, and even cases are all considered bulk quantity of alcohol. Technically all BYO events an individual can only bring a six pack of beer, not 12 or 24 but a 6'er.

And all Phi Delta Theta chapters should have been dry over the past few years...we have no exemption policies like other orgs.

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Mmmm... weapons of mass consumption... ;)

The correct term according to FIPG is "communal source of alcohol" which actually includes kegs and any other form of alcohol where someone can just pick up a drink, can, bottle, etc. If you follow that reasoning, an ice filled tub with beer being kept cold is "communal". Any container holding an alcohol beverage that is available to all (even champagne punch) would be considered "communal". It is all due to liability. If it is being served by a third party vender (make sure he is insured), the liability is on him and not the host GLO.

Phi Kappa Sigma began their "Dry Skulls" program three years ago, I believe. Many chapters have been quite good about following the policies; however, several are on probation and some have lost their charters - either voluntarily (University of Virginia, for one) or by National.

The most difficult to convince that a chapter can live with this policy is the alumni who feel that they can come back to the house and ignore the policy. I know of one Phi Kap chapter who has decided not to hold Parents & Alumni Weekend at the same time any more because the alumni were embarrassing to them in front of their parents.

It is a shame that good behavior has to be legislated but liability dictates that the policies be in place. Sometimes insurance companies will insure GLO's only if a "dry house" policy is in place. It takes a lot of education for a chapter to understand exactly why this is necessary.

going dry was a big deal for Phi Delt when it happened, as far as i know a lot of chapters were lost due to the AFH policy, but as the policy grows to other fraternities it has become less of an issue.