No pledge class next semester.
 

So we get this letter this morning saying that us, Sig Nu, Sig Tau, SAE and ZTA arent allowed to take new members next semester because our associate member programs "were not approved of by the office of greek life"

It "was not approved of" and they requested we fix it and resubmit it, and we did... Our program which was submitted is our National pledge program... so umm.. there going to be some problems. Suggestions anyone??? Anyone been in this situation?


We were supposed to chapterize and then this shit happens...

Re: No pledge class next semester.
 

Woohoo, more BS from Duquesne greek life :) One of my friends is a Delta Chi advisor so I get to hear all about it.

It sure seems that Duq is trying to make up rules that don't exist again and that they really don't have a leg to stand on with them. Contact your national office right away and get them on it.

How can they "not approve" of your national new member program???????

that's really odd :confused:

I'd check in with your nationals about that . . . I know that according to Panhel rules, every sorority is allowed to take a pledge class (unless, of course, they're at total) regardless of any rules they might have violated in the past year, and I imagine that IFC would work the same way.

I would definitely have your nationals talk to them about that. It would probably have a bigger impact than your chapter simply telling the school that... they might not believe you. :rolleyes:

http://66.227.101.70/otn/angry/tdo3.gif <---- That's what I would tell them. :D

LOL!!

What exactly do they not approve of ? I mean the only thing I would think they could disapprove of is any hazing, and I'm sure that ZTA doesn't include hazing in their new member program... so what gives ?

Very weird

It sounds like the Nationals should step in to inquire.

It sounds like the Greek Orgs should contact their Alums..

Enuff said on that!:(

I definately agree that the Nationals should step in to inquire what's going on.

I believe it's a rule in the NPC's "Green Book," which lists all the rules that govern NPC sororities. Panhellenic should have a copy of it. Tell ZTA to check over the Green Book, and if IFC has a similar book, you guys should go through that too.

What exactly did the school find so questionable about these new member programs?

From the NPC "green book" 13th Edition

Under Unanimous agreements:

II Jurisdiction of Panhellenic Associations (pg 21)
1) Collegiate Panhellenic Associations
...
C) A college Panhellenic Council shall take no action which
infringes on the sovereignty, rights, or privileges of the
individual NPC fraternities. Infringements include but are
not limited to the following:
..
7) lowering a chapter's quota as a penalty

VI College Panhellenic Association Agreement (pg 25)
2) Establishment and Regulation of membership recruitment
...
B) Each NPC fraternity chapter has the right to COB to reach
quota or its total allowable chapter size during the regular
school year as defined by the school calendar. ...


(edited to correct a typo)

NIC has a resolution that is basically stating that recruitment restrictions should not be used ever for punishment. You can go to their website and there is a search tool. Type in recruitment restrictions or something similar and your should be able to get it. This will be strong ammo against the school.

You better come up with better ammunition than a NPC/NIC policy.
Schools are not bound by those policies. A private or a public school could even ban the entire greek system. At a public school the greeks could then continue to operate off-campus. A private school could even prohibit their students from joining off-campus greek organizations.

http://www.dke.org/quarterly4.html

madmax,
The NPC policy will help, but over and above that there have been freedom of association lawsuits over things like this and the outcome was that one group cannot be prevented from taking pledges as any sort of disciplinary measure. If they wanted to place a moratorium on pledging for ALL the groups for a semester they could - but the point is that individual groups cannot be punished or sanctioned in this way.

WHAT?!??!??!

Duquesne has suspended groups in the past TONS OF TIMES and not allowed groups to take a classes!!!!! SAE is almost DEAD because of it. They've been suspended for over a year and 1/2

How did I not see this before!? You mean at other universities these suspensions can't happen!? Duquesne is private.

Can someone please get me information about these cases (like their names?) So that I can use that as ammunition as well? Please? any Ideas?

If I were you, I'd do what others have already suggested and take yourself out of the discussions. This sounds like a bigger issue than just your chapter and it needs to be addressed by the national orgs.

Besides, at least with the nationals playing the "heavy" you come out cleaner with your school.

Maybe it was somethign as simple as you missed a deadline for dropping off the paperwork. Our school operated that way. Shit liek that was always a scare tactic. I cant tell you how many times we had "officially lost university recognition" because we didnt turn in our Registerd Student Org. Packet each semester by the deadline. They always took it late and it was all cool.

As for NIC, it was always my understanding that penalizing a chapter through recruitment penalties was THE TABOO. It was to NEVER be done - kinda a hit below the belt.

archangel,

I sent you a PM, let me know if you didn't get it.

If a group is suspended and unrecognized by the school they aren't allowed to take pledges. All the groups you mentioned are still on the Duquesne website (not to mention I was greeted by a pic of a girl in big ole ZTA letters when I opened the site) so this doesn't apply to them. 'Kay?

However, if a group is in good standing or simply on probation, forbidding them from taking any pledges is not legal. (A headquarters CAN forbid a chapter to take pledges however, since they are a private entity and the members have agreed to abide by their decisions.)

What scares me about all this is there is a LAW SCHOOL right there...

What the NIC and NPC policies mean is that your local IFC or Panhel cannot punish your group, even for a major rush infraction or serious hazing, by reducing your ability to take in new members. They don't bind the school's administration in any way.

However, historically, this is not the method schools usually choose to use. Most schools start with fines and then de-recognition if they don't like what a chapter is doing. I agree with what most people said - get your nationals working on this.