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FuzzieAlum 04-29-2003 02:52 PM

African American hair
 
A friend of mine who runs a blog is looking for feedback in regards to cultural standards for African American (female) hairdos. I thought maybe some of the African American women on this site could provide him with some insight.

His page is http://fluggart.cwru.edu/ and this is the entry:

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Someone was recently trying to tell me that, for various reasons, most black models in magazines (like the Victoria's Secret Catalogs) are wearing wigs in those pictures. The implication was that their hair is harder to keep at model appearance, and that they require significantly more care.

As proof, they showed me various images from places like Victoria's Secret catalogs, which supposedly showed models whose hair didn't really look real upon close inspection. Over the weekend, I was trying to find documentation of this by searching through websites. I had trouble finding any evidence that directly supported that, but I did find this (which is hardly an authoritative source), which contained excerpts from a book, including:

"In more recent times, however, it has been acceptable simply to highlight and valorise the image of the biracial black woman. Black women models such as Naomi Campbell find that they have a greater crossover success if their images are altered by long, straight wigs, weaves, or bonded hair so that they resemble the 'wannabes' - _folks who affirm the equation of whiteness with beauty by seeking to take on the characteristic look of whiteness."

If anyone has any insight into this, I'd love to hear it, because I'm not quite sure that I actually believe it.
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Eirene_DGP 04-29-2003 02:58 PM

As far as the first part of the question, I don't thnk there is a standard for Afr. Am hair. You can do just about anything with it. In regards to the models who wore wigs and weave instead of their regular hair, this is because Afr. Am hair is easily damaged and with all the styling, heat, and light exposure, that makes for very unhealthy hair. So basically, many Afr. Am models wear these styles to protect their own hair. Do you remember the show Martin on Fox, well the actress who played Gina said she always wore wigs to protect her hair from styling damage..... I hope this helps.

Honeykiss1974 04-29-2003 03:17 PM

Yep, to piggyback off of Eirene, most famous Af. Am women do wear weaves/wigs to protect their hair from damage. However, his comment about the crossover appeal, IMO does hold some truth to it.

The guy that does Oprah's hair (I think his name is Andre) has a book out about out hair. I'll search for the name of it and post it.

There is also a book titles "Why Black Women Are Losing Their Hair" which provides more insight into this as well. Let me do a search and come back with some specifics.....

NinjaPoodle 04-29-2003 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
The guy that does Oprah's hair (I think his name is Andre) has a book out about out hair. I'll search for the name of it and post it.
Slightly off topic, for some reason, I thought it was Sam Fine who did O's hair...Sam has a beauty book thats been out for quite some time. Maybe it was just her makeup he did...:confused:

Sistermadly 04-29-2003 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by NinjaPoodle
Slightly off topic, for some reason, I thought it was Sam Fine who did O's hair...Sam has a beauty book thats been out for quite some time. Maybe it was just her makeup he did...:confused:
Sam Fine is a makeup artist. André Walker is Oprah's hair stylist, but he also styles her wardrobe.

But back to the topic at hand, lots of Black models wear weaves/hair pieces to protect their hair from heat styling and from stylists who don't have the experience with handling our hair and its special needs. As for valorizing the black biracial look - does anyone seriously think Naomi Campbell looks biracial?

Lately I've seen more Black women in advertisements with natural (unstraightened) hair. It's all about the image the advertiser wants for their products... after all, how many white women with short hair have you ever seen in a Victoria's Secret catalogue?

Still and yet, I think there's something to his basic theory. I think that by and large the European standard of beauty is the acceptable beauty standard in Western society, and any woman of any ethnicity who doesn't fit it is still judged by it. There are exceptions to every rule, but they're just exceptions.

AKA_Monet 04-30-2003 08:55 PM

If you go to ANY predominant African American website, ESPECIALLY African American women's website, you will find information regarding a sistah and her hairdo issues...

For me it is a permeating "thing" thoughout my life.

Many sistahs spend $1000.00s even millions of dollars a year to keep their hair in a "fashion" acceptable to them. Some sistahs wear their hair natural in an afro. Some sistahs braid and dreadlock their hair. Some sistahs keep their hair really short like a some bruhs do for fades. And other sistahs, if they want long hair, either straighten it or get some hair...

What is interesting is the number of caucasian hairstylists that do not learn how to care for African American women's hair in beauty school, learn how to as apprentices in predominantly urban areas because these same stylists know how some women will pay top dollar to get their hair "hooked up". Hell one gets a relaxer--BAM--$50 bucks--then one get's the "ends" trimmed--BAM--another $20 bucks--then coloring or highlighting--BAM--a good person charges $100 for hair that's naturally straight and short!!! By the time the stylist is done, a woman's outta $250.00 to $500.00 dollars!!! Not to mention if they had weaving or bonding, with straighteners and colors--even with real human hair extensions or synthetic extensions!!! I'm tellin' yah, if I was smart, I would've gotten a beautician's license!!! :eek:

thecraziest8 05-01-2003 03:35 AM

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Many sistahs spend $1000.00s even millions of dollars a year to keep their hair in a "fashion" acceptable to them.
I just had to respond to this statement, AKA_Monet. I am an AA woman and I get my hair professionally done every week for $43. I get my hair pressed with a flat iron, because I do not have a relaxer. Every few weeks I get my ends trimmed for an additional $10, not to even mention if I get highlights sometimes. I have so many hair styling products, ranging from if I want to wear my hair straight, or naturally wavy.

So 43x52 is $2236, plus about $90 for trims, $150 for color and a five dollar tip every week (sometimes more if my hair is absolutely outstanding) $260, and about another $350 for my styling products I use at home.

You are then looking at $3086 approximately.

A sista needs a budget just for her hair!!! :D


Also in regards to the original post, I have never worn a weave, wig, or had braids. My hair, which is right past shoulder length now has always been thick and healthy.

I do not press my hair, to fit a "standard of beauty", but because it looks good on me and is easier to style than some of the natural hairdos. I just do not like fake hair, thats all.

Please do not take that post from that website as the truth.
In the entertainment business, many women of all races wear hairpieces, weaves, or wigs. If I had to have my hair blow dried, styled, and with curling irons everyday, I think I might too.

AA hair is not hard to keep at model appearance, because my hair looks gorgeous everyday.

In my opinion, there are no cultural standards as far as AA hair goes. While many choose straighten their hair others don't. I don't think hairstyle has any relevance as far as crossover appeal. Look at Alicia Keys.

And frankly, if you are going to buy someone's record, watch their television show, go to their movie, or support them if their hair was straight rather than natural then that really says an awful lot. :rolleyes:

RedMusiq4U 07-11-2005 02:19 AM

From a male standpoint I think natural styles are more healthy and more managable than processed hair. I have locks and it's the best style I've ever had.......I've had it all.....Fades, Afros, Texturizers, Flattop, no Jerry Curl though...lol....But I feel that people have a misconception of natural hair......it's a not bad at all.......people need to get educated and learn that going natural isn't gonna kill them.

Kimmie1913 07-11-2005 12:56 PM

In the entertainment world MANY, MANY celebrities (Black, White and everything else) were wigs and weaves. In fact, just this weekend ET or Access Hollywood did a story about the absolute proliferation on waves and hair pieces in Hollywood. Jessica Simpson, Lindsay Lohan, Jennifer Lopez, Britney Spears as well as Beyonce, Naomi and Star Jones ALL rock wigs and weaves. They are a common way to protect your hair when you are in a business that requires so much over styling and are an easy way to improve the look of your hair. I promise you, 75% of all the celebs you see of all races use or are wearing hair pieces of some kind.

christiangirl 07-12-2005 12:18 AM

I definitely think a lot of it has to do with keeping hair healthy. For instance, my mother wears wigs, just because it'd take a lot to straighten her her or even just to keep it healthy with all the heat it'd take to make it manageable (as busy as she is, she doesn't have the time to keep up "natural" hair). My hair is straightened and the heat styling I do damages it a lot, but I choose really good products to reverse that damage, so it all works out. I do think society has a "silky is beautiful, kinky is ugly" attitude, but that's only half of it. Not every black person will conform to that. So, you'd have to look at individual reasons, not just apply one to the whole.

ladygreek 07-12-2005 01:05 AM

Here's another take on it. I wear locs. If I was in a position that my locs prevented me from getting a much desired job, I would throw on a wig in a minute.

Ms T 01-21-2007 07:36 PM

You are so true most of us DUMMIES PAY $$$$1,00000 of dollar$ on our hair I just got microbraids and for some reason this is the 4th day and my tie knots susposely are coming untied.I called to tell the hairstylist I keep getting the run arounds for me to go back...$250 I be a monkey's uncle if I go back that's $250 I could have went and shopped with did my own hair.I just don't know how to tie knots.DOES ANYONE HAVE IN SOULUTION OR CAN ANYONE TO TELL ME WHAT OR HOW TO TO TIE THIS CRAP AFTER ALL i DID JUST WAIST 250.I would have gave 1/2 that away just for someone to tell me not to sit in that BRAIDER CHAIR!!!!!!SSSSSOOMMEEBODYYYYYY Help I am taking pictures SUSPOSELY TOMORROW:eek: !

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Unregistered- 01-21-2007 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ms T (Post 1387129)
You are so true most of us DUMMIES PAY $$$$1,00000 of dollar$ on our hair I just got microbraids and for some reason this is the 4th day and my tie knots susposely are coming untied.I called to tell the hairstylist I keep getting the run arounds for me to go back...$250 I be a monkey's uncle if I go back that's $250 I could have went and shopped with did my own hair.I just don't know how to tie knots.DOES ANYONE HAVE IN SOULUTION OR CAN ANYONE TO TELL ME WHAT OR HOW TO TO TIE THIS CRAP AFTER ALL i DID JUST WAIST 250.I would have gave 1/2 that away just for someone to tell me not to sit in that BRAIDER CHAIR!!!!!!SSSSSOOMMEEBODYYYYYY Help I am taking pictures SUSPOSELY TOMORROW:eek: !

After reading this post, I'd say you have bigger problems to worry about.

Dionysus 01-21-2007 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1387139)
After reading this post, I'd say you have bigger problems to worry about.

Haha...someone give that woman some rid'lan.

Ms T 01-21-2007 08:07 PM

what a dork!!:cool:

Unregistered- 01-21-2007 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ms T (Post 1387142)
what a dork!!:cool:

And in a fine PM I just receieved...

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Originally Posted by Ms T
what a dork!

How very "nanny nanny booboo...stick your head in doodoo" of you. :)

Dionysus, are you sure this isn't you?

Dionysus 01-21-2007 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1387147)
Dionysus, are you sure this isn't you?

Um no, if I was going to post something like that I could've just posted it under my alter ego. I also have zero knowledge about hair - black or white. Just washing, brushing, and drying.

Munchkin03 01-21-2007 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ms T (Post 1387129)
You are so true most of us DUMMIES PAY $$$$1,00000 of dollar$ on our hair I just got microbraids and for some reason this is the 4th day and my tie knots susposely are coming untied.I called to tell the hairstylist I keep getting the run arounds for me to go back...$250 I be a monkey's uncle if I go back that's $250 I could have went and shopped with did my own hair.I just don't know how to tie knots.DOES ANYONE HAVE IN SOULUTION OR CAN ANYONE TO TELL ME WHAT OR HOW TO TO TIE THIS CRAP AFTER ALL i DID JUST WAIST 250.I would have gave 1/2 that away just for someone to tell me not to sit in that BRAIDER CHAIR!!!!!!SSSSSOOMMEEBODYYYYYY Help I am taking pictures SUSPOSELY TOMORROW:eek: !

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DA it's Tom Earp's black daughter!

Would not have nowwwn otherwise. :( :mad:

RacemiZing is for da boids!

Ms T 01-21-2007 09:46 PM

NOTHING GOOD TO SAY,DONT SAY NOTHING!
 
AND THAT'S WHAT'S UP!!!!! WHICH ONE ARE YOU CARRIE? OR IS IT YOUR YOUR SISTER MIRANDUH? STAY OUT ONLY FOR MATURE PEOPLE..ALL OTHERS GO PLAY WITH YOUR CAT CHAROLETTE..OH YEAH THANKS GOOD LOOKING OUT

Munchkin03 01-21-2007 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ms T (Post 1387234)
AND THAT'S WHAT'S UP!!!!! WHICH ONE ARE YOU CARRIE? OR IS IT YOUR YOUR SISTER MIRANDUH? STAY OUT ONLY FOR MATURE PEOPLE..ALL OTHERS GO PLAY WITH YOUR CAT CHAROLETTE..OH YEAH THANKS GOOD LOOKING OUT

Does the "T" in MsT stand for "Tomasina"? As in Ms. Tomasina Earp?

Stooopid iz as stooopid duz! :( :mad:

I hate SATC, canchooo read?:confused:

AKA2D '91 01-21-2007 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1050677)
Here's another take on it. I wear locs. If I was in a position that my locs prevented me from getting a much desired job, I would throw on a wig in a minute.

Interesting. Most people who have locs are so pro-locs/natural styles that they would not dare "change" their hair (style) for a job.

Question: If you were offered the position (with the wig), at some point, would you discontinue use of the wig and let your locs hang? Is it, I have the job now, what can you do about it attitude? :confused:

macallan25 01-21-2007 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ms T (Post 1387129)
You are so true most of us DUMMIES PAY $$$$1,00000 of dollar$ on our hair I just got microbraids and for some reason this is the 4th day and my tie knots susposely are coming untied.I called to tell the hairstylist I keep getting the run arounds for me to go back...$250 I be a monkey's uncle if I go back that's $250 I could have went and shopped with did my own hair.I just don't know how to tie knots.DOES ANYONE HAVE IN SOULUTION OR CAN ANYONE TO TELL ME WHAT OR HOW TO TO TIE THIS CRAP AFTER ALL i DID JUST WAIST 250.I would have gave 1/2 that away just for someone to tell me not to sit in that BRAIDER CHAIR!!!!!!SSSSSOOMMEEBODYYYYYY Help I am taking pictures SUSPOSELY TOMORROW:eek: !

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????Ms T = http://www.humorhour.com/pictures/h279.jpg

Tom Earp 01-22-2007 04:50 PM

Thank you one and all almost smart and snide peope!

Do your rears get cold from hanging out?

I am and many others are impressed with your education. :rolleyes:

macallan25 01-22-2007 05:19 PM

Tom, a down syndromed, epileptic monkey would beat you in a spelling and logical sentence writing contest.

......pipe down on the education talk.

Tom Earp 01-22-2007 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1387551)
Tom, a down syndromed, epileptic monkey would beat you in a spelling and logical sentence writing contest.

......pipe down on the education talk.

Oh, excuse Me super perfect Dude!:)

Your impotentness is totaly amazing?:)

Thank You for your underwhealming post.

But, of course, You are special.:p :cool:

Of course you can add your name to the spelling be queens or how people post who are not from your area?

S And G Dude!

OOhsoflyDELTA#9 01-22-2007 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1387572)
Oh, excuse Me super perfect Dude!:)

Your impotentness is totaly amazing?:)

Thank You for your underwhealming post.

But, of course, You are special.:p :cool:

Of course you can add your name to the spelling be queens or how people post who are not from your area?

S And G Dude!

ROTFLMAO...WTF does this mean Tom...:confused:

ladygreek 01-22-2007 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91 (Post 1387255)
Interesting. Most people who have locs are so pro-locs/natural styles that they would not dare "change" their hair (style) for a job.

Question: If you were offered the position (with the wig), at some point, would you discontinue use of the wig and let your locs hang? Is it, I have the job now, what can you do about it attitude? :confused:

Dang, I forgot about posting that--I was unemployed at the time - LOL.

To answer your question, yes, as long as it wasn't written in the personnel policies.

But I now have a desired job for which I interviewed locs and all. ;)

AXO Alum 01-22-2007 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1387551)
Tom, a down syndromed, epileptic monkey would beat you in a spelling and logical sentence writing contest.

......pipe down on the education talk.

Oh holy cow - sorry DSTChaos, but this is GOING in the siggy right now. This is too freaking funny!

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Originally Posted by OOhsoflyDELTA#9 (Post 1387610)
ROTFLMAO...WTF does this mean Tom...:confused:

I'm sorry, OOhsoflyDELTA#9, but you have to wait for Drolefile to post - she has an Earp translator that works wonders for understanding his incoherent ramblings. Just wait for it - I promise you it WILL be worth it :D

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1387572)
Your impotentness is totaly amazing?:)

Thank You for your underwhealming post.

CONGRATULATIONS, MACALLAN25!!!! Yes YOU are the GRAND PRIZE WINNER - you provoked Earp to call you on BOTH your "IMPOTENTNESS" and for being "UNDERWHEALMING" -- That is a freaking honor!! Really - to have both called on you in the same reply, it just doesn't get any better. I only wish I could be there to shake your hand for the photo op :cool:

Lady of Pearl 01-22-2007 08:33 PM

I think most models and entertainers wear wigs and weaves and it is not just unique to African Americans. There are just as many White entertainers and models who wear them as well. Unfortunately there is a standard in this country which believes that straight hair is somehow more acceptable than natural or curly hair be it worn on a Black person or White person. I have freed myself from chemicals which break the hair off and refuse to pay over 50 dollars to a stylist who is only interested in doing heads to make money. Therefore I afford myself the versatility of wearing my hair natural or straightened. I do it myself-- for I know my hair better than some stylist who isn't a personal friend of mine; only schedules appointments when its convenient for them, and who only wants to make a quick buck off of me.

macallan25 01-22-2007 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1387572)
Oh, excuse Me super perfect Dude!:)

Your impotentness is totaly amazing?:)

Thank You for your underwhealming post.

But, of course, You are special.:p :cool:

Of course you can add your name to the spelling be queens or how people post who are not from your area?

S And G Dude!

...and the down syndromed, epileptic monkey wins.

down syndromed, epileptic monkey - 1 Tom Earp - 0

AXO Alum 01-22-2007 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1387670)
...and the down syndromed, epileptic monkey wins.

down syndromed, epileptic monkey - 1 Tom Earp - 0

Will you stop it?? We are limited with the amount of info that can go in our siggys and I don't want to keep choosing between you & DSTChaos :cool:

AlexMack 01-23-2007 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1387670)
...and the down syndromed, epileptic monkey wins.

down syndromed, epileptic monkey - 1 Tom Earp - 0

Hooray Monkey! Normally I'm a sucker for the underdog but this time I was cheering for the Top Monkey!

tunatartare 01-23-2007 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1387551)
Tom, a down syndromed, epileptic monkey would beat you in a spelling and logical sentence writing contest.

......pipe down on the education talk.

Moments like this make me glad you never left GC after fratty came back up.

PM_Mama00 01-23-2007 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ms T (Post 1387234)
AND THAT'S WHAT'S UP!!!!!

I KNOW WHO SHE IS! She's that chick from Super Sweet 16 who sang that song "And that's what's up". What was her name?

Honeykiss1974 01-23-2007 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lady of Pearl (Post 1387634)
I think most models and entertainers wear wigs and weaves and it is not just unique to African Americans. There are just as many White entertainers and models who wear them as well. .

So true. This weekend I was watching QVC and they were selling the Jessica Simpson line of extentions. :) They were going like hotcakes at a $100 a pop.

cutiepatootie 01-23-2007 02:34 PM

I think many will be suprised by many causcasian females who wear wigs who are not in the entertaimment business. Be it for appearance, medical or personal reasons.


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