Sibling GLOs - Who's who's sister or brother organization?
 

Hi all. Hope everyone is doing well. So my question, who is who's sibling GLO? I know that historically Alpha Xi Delta and Sigma Nu are each other's sibling GLO. I was just curious as to which other organizations have these types of relationships. Thanks much. Hope everyone has a good one.

I don't really know if this has any truth to it whatsoever but I have heard that our brother fraternity is Kappa Alpha and our sister sorority is Alpha Delta Pi. That's just what I've heard, but yea I don't know if it's true at all.

With NIC fraternities and NPC sororities, there are officially no brother fraternities and/or sister sororities, though through the assistance of brothers from NIC fraternities, they sort of have a connection:

George Banta (Phi Delta Theta) helped establish Delta Gamma; Dr. Richardson (Kappa Sigma) helped established Chi Omega and wrote their ritual; men from Sigma Nu helped establish Alpha Xi Delta.

It's not unusual to see Pi Beta Phi and Kappa Kappa Gamma host a social event called the 'Monmouth Duo', since both sororities were founded at Monmouth College. Alpha Delta Pi and Phi Mu were founded at Georgia Wesleyan College. (what's the current name of the school? I'm drawing a blank.)

On the other hand, the NPHC fraternities and sororities have a much closer relationship as brother and sister fraternities and sororities:

Alpha Phi Alpha = Alpha Kappa Alpha
Kappa Alpha Psi = Delta Sigma Theta
Phi Beta Sigma = Zeta Phi Beta
Omega Psi Phi = Sigma Gamma Rho

Iota Phi Theta, tha newest member of the 'Divine Nine' does not have a sister sorority. (Someone correct me if the above pairings are incorrect.)

DZ was helped founded by a Phi Delta Theta and are considered our brother fraternity i think.

The college is now called Wesleyan College and is located in Macon, GA along with Mercer University. Wesleyan is a women's college that now does not have any sororities. So now the ADPi and Phi Mu chapters at my school do a lot when there is national stuff down here.

no, the only one is that is official one is pbs and zpb. but there are some unofficial relations:

omega psi phi - delta sigma theta (coleman love)
kappa alpha psi - sgrho (indiana love)

Edited because Starang21 types faster than I do. :D

I'm pretty sure a Beta helped found Alpha Chi Omega and Kappa Alpha Theta

Additionally, Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority Inc. and Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity Inc. have an unofficial "phirst phamily" relationship.
:)

I think that's a FIJI. The badges certainly bear a resemblance to each other! :)

Re: Sibling GLOs - Who's who's sister or brother organization?
 

When I was the marshal (candidate trainer) for our chapter that was the first thing I used to teach the new guys. Had to get them 'educated' before they were quizzed by our AXiD chapter:D

Actually, JerzeeBoy is closer to the truth, as I think that one of the founders of Theta...and I want to say a Chi O founder too, had fathers and brothers who were Betas.

It's kind of hazy, but I know that one had a father who was a Beta and brothers who were something else, while the other had a Beta family - with father and brothers all being Betas. Not sure why I know this, but it sounds really familiar.

Did alittle searching and found this off our national website..hope it helps..

Phi Gamma Delta and Kappa Alpha Theta
by John A. Pollard (Ohio State 1924, Yale 1927)

One of the first four women enrolled at DePauw was Bettie McReynolds Locke, whose father, Dr. John Wesley Locke, was professor of mathematics there and a Beta Theta Pi, and whose brother, George W. Locke (DePauw '71), was a Fiji. During her sophomore year she was asked by a Fiji to wear his badge. This implied no synthetic engagement, in the subsequent mode, but was merely to claim her as a champion of Phi Gamma Delta, according to the custom then prevailing. Shades of Camelot on tourney-day! And did she accept this invitation? She did not. She was a strong-minded woman, that's what she was. The naivete of these negotiations is now preciously amusing. Lambda Chapter considered that since George Locke was a Fiji, so should his sister be also, at least in declared sympathy. Like brother, like sister. What logic more unimpeachable? Bethink you that Beta Theta Pi at Wabash had initiated three young women in 1861. Bethink you yet further that Phi Delta Theta in that period had admitted several women to its rolls. Phi Gamma Delta was nowise sacrificing its virility on the altar of romance.

At any rate, Bettie Locke contended that, if she were to wear the proffered badge, she would have to become a Phi Gamma Delta member whole and complete, or not at all. The Lambda lads finally admitted their inability to establish a precedent by initiating a woman member; so was the issue drawn. Viola! And since neither party knew of women becoming members of Beta Theta Pi and Phi Delta Theta, the Theta historian was enabled to write in 1930: ". . . . fortunately for Kappa Alpha Theta, she was not initiated into Phi Gamma Delta. The young men compromised by presenting Bettie a handsome silver cake-basket with the Greek letters, Phi Gamma Delta, a memento she still has in her Greencastle home." [That cake basket is now in the Kappa Alpha Theta headquarters museum.]

What to do? Dr. Locke inquired why Bettie didn't organize a fraternity of her own. To be sure! An idea! But she shrank from the thought of membership in a local organization lacking national scope and prestige and traditional ceremonies. At this pass, or impasse, Dr. Locke's wide inquiries disclosed that no order existed such as Bettie desired [Editor's note: But had Dr. Locke investigated closely enough, he would have found that in 1867 there had been founded at Monmouth College the I. C. Sorosis, which in 1888 took 'the name of Pi Beta Phi. The first sorority to bear a Greek name, however, was Kappa Alpha Theta.]; that, if she wished to belong to a "fraternity," she would have to organize it. In the spring of 1869 she did actually start planning, in confidence, with her chum Alice O. Allen, also then a sophomore. Only nine women were enrolled at DePauw at that time.

From Dr. Locke and the eminent Fiji historian, Dr. John Clark Ridpath (DePauw 1863), the two planners extracted numerous suggestions. One of the latter's 'sisters, Martha Ridpath, who later became a Theta, "told how the girls spent one morning in the large, warm kitchen of the Ridpath home, and that Mrs. Ridpath in after years reported they had 'cut up enough paper to fill a woodbox, trying to decide on a shape for their badge.' "

Kappa Alpha Theta was formally organized at a secret meeting on January 27, 1870, attended by Bettie Locke, Alice Allen, Bettie Tipton, and Hannah Fitch, the four founders. Their badges were made by a Fiji, John P. Newman (City College 1869, Muhlenberg 1871), New York manufacturing jeweler, who had been suggested by Dr. Ridpath. Nor was this the full extent of the local inter-relationship of the two groups, for the Lambda Fijis soon suggested, as their "measure of respect and appreciation," a coalition of the two societies to create a brother and sister order. Thus doth politics make hypocrites of us all. This suggestion, like the Fijis' first proposal to Bettie Locke, was considered and declined.

Now began wider contacts, broadening into the cordial national relations of the two groups today. Soon afterward when the Thetas established a chapter at Hanover College, the installation ceremonies were held in the Phi Gamma Delta rooms there, with the initiation of five charter members. Moreover, when the society convened at Greencastle in1883, one Cornell delegate, Jessie Boulton, recorded these ecstatic impressions:

"After dinner on Thursday, February 22, we were to have our first session. If you have smelling salts, please produce them now . . .. We held our first and second sessions in the Phi Gamma Delta rooms and the third in the Sigma Chi rooms! Think of the generosity of the Greencastle boys and the glorious freedom of western ideas! I thought of the possibility of our Cornell boys tendering us the use of their rooms and smiled."

Surely these events of six decades ago have cast their shadow down the years; if you would explain the present, examine the past. At Ohio State, for example, there seems to have existed a close and historic affinity between the Thetas and the Fijis, with not infrequent lapses into cardiac affliction. At the Fiji parties the Theta ladies were always abundantly present; and the old DePauw Fijis were proved seers. The lads and the lasses did not stop at the proposed brother and sister kinship; aye, an even closer bond sprang from this congeniality. The Thetas out-Shakespeared Shakespeare; many of them grappled Omicron Deuteron boys to their souls with rings of platinum.

History, in brief, explains everything. We are indeed grateful to the Theta historian for her engaging narrative and for explaining a social condition which we were reluctant to consider special to Ohio State. If she had not insisted on using the paradoxical "women's fraternity" throughout her book, we should rise and call her blessed for an able work. We are tempted to do so, anyway. In fact, we will do it.

ADDENDUM

A letter from M. Jess Shinn (Oregon 1941) in The Phi Gamma Delta of May, 1941 states the following regarding reminisces told by Roy H. Dobell, Sr. (DePauw 1908) about his father, Joseph T. Dobell (DePauw 1874).

Most interesting of all was the story of his father and John C. Ridpath (DePauw 1863). Joseph Dobell and the eminent historian were connected with the founding of the Kappa Alpha Theta sorority, the two of them writing the Theta initiation ritual.

Joseph Dobell, incidentally, was the first person to ever wear a Theta badge. When the first pin for the new sorority arrived, the elder Dobell slipped it out of its box and wore it to chapel. Unhappily, the emblem was recognized and the culprit was berated by the sorority founders for weeks.

The first Fiji Dobell remained at DePauw until his death on December 7, 1924, serving as registrar for the university.

Perhaps we should regard these recollections as apocryphal, unless some contemporary evidence can be produced to enforce one claim or the other. -- Editor

Back to the topic

As far as I know, I don't think we have any "GLO siblings".
I know that Alpha Gamma Rho and Alpha Gamma Delta are related through agriculture (see the AGR and AGD, both has Ag), and I've heard that they are siblings.
:)

ZTA has no brother organization but did have help in her founding from a Kappa Alpha and later had help with rituals from a Delta Tau Delta.

We don't have a brother org., though if we did, I think it shoud be Alpha Delta Gamma, ADG and AGD, hehe...

Sigh. Excuse me as I hijack the thread a little bit, but this is a topic that absolutely riles me.

Nothing in Theta's history or member education that I have ever read has ever indicated that the ritual was written by any non-member. Theta's ritual evolved over its early years (through practices of initiated members) but its fundamental meaning and significances were instituted by the four founders.

That article (see UToledoFiji's post), though not unbased exactly (yes Bettie Locke had ties to FIJI and Beta), was written in a very patronizing tone that is fitting with the time in which it was written and, I think, belittles what the first Thetas achieved at DePauw. The first Thetas were stubborn, independent individuals who did a great deal of flouting the current societal trends.

And though there's a historical link there obviously, and we appreciate and hold dear the gift from the FIJIs, the implication that anyone but Thetas were ultimately responsible for the Fraternity or that the impetus for the whole thing was wise learned men guiding them in the right direction is a bit rude.

There's a fascinating article on 'the first coeds' at DePauw (not written from a Theta point of view particularly) that I'll link to as soon as I can find it.

Greekgrrl

the syracuse triad is alpha phi, alpha gamma delta and gamma phi beta. a lot of campuses that have all three do events each year.

a lot of campuses with a.phi and sae see that as a sister/brother relationship. we do here!

Dr. Charles Richardson was a founder of Chi Omega and he was a Kappa Sigma, not a Beta.

queequek-
waaaaayyyy off!!! Alpha Gamma Rho is an agricultural based fraternity, Alpha Gamma Delta is not. They have a % of their members that have to be ag majors and are located at large agricultural areas and schools.
Alpha Gamma Delta has no ties to AGR, at all.
As a matter of fact we are closer to Lambda Chi Alpha because we are located next to each other in Indy and they have produced the DOUBLE VISION program together.
.... other than that
One of our founders created the TKE's coat of arms.... you can see some of the same principles if you study them!

Other than that- no brother fraternity.

Pi Kappa Alpha and Phi Sigma Sigma
 

pi kappa alpha and phi sigma sigma have some weird connection. . .we both use the 'once. . .always. . .'

i'm sure PIKES and Phi Sigs know what i'm talking about

Sigma Kappa

I could be wrong, but my ex gf was a pi phi, and she told me that beta helped with their founding, and are their brother fraternity... I am a Theta Chi and I know that we have no such affiliation with a sorority

AEPhi does not have an official "sibling GLO". The founders didn't have any help writing their ritual (that I am aware of).

At many schools, AEPhi and AEPi are unofficial brother/sister orgs... similar letters, both historically Jewish, etc. The AEPis at my school gave my local sorority's founding sisters a lot of help getting started (though we didn't call ourselves Sigma AEPi :p ).

What irks me is when people think AEPhi is AEPi's little-sister org... um, AEPhi was founded first ;)

I'm almost positive that's wrong. I know for sure that Pi Beta Phi does not have a national brother fraternity. I have also never heard that a Beta helped with our ritual.

There is a lot of misinformation out there on GC and elsewhere about "brother/sister" groups. Just for everyone's information:

1. It is very, very rare that a national NPC sorority and NIC fraternity have any sort of relationship to one another nationally. The only exceptions are for orgs like Chi Omega and Kappa Sigma. A Kappa Sigma assisted in the founding of Chi Omega. Chi O's and Kappa Sigs correct me if I'm wrong, though, I do not believe that they have an OFFICIAL brother/sister status. There are a few other groups that this is the case for. As sugar and spice says, there are no OFFICIAL NPC/NIC relationships.

2. The NPHC groups have more formalized brother sister/relations as articulated by starang and others.

3. Obviously, local GLOs can do whatever they want.

4. Where a lot of the misinformation comes from is situations like this:

Fraternity XYZ (local or national) starts a little sister group at some point in the past. These little sisters form group TUV. The TUV sisters become more and more formalized and become local sorority TUV. Then they decide to seek national NPC affilation. They become national group ABC. Well, of course the ABCs still hang out with the XYZs. The XYZs brought their group together in the first place. So one could say that the XYZs helped in the founding of their original group TUV and were their brother org, but nationally ABC does not claim that status with XYZ.

It's important to know your local and national history so that you know which is the case.

Edited to make things a bit clearer.

I feel the need to split hairs, but George Banta helped to establish and expand Delta Gamma chapters in the North, at a time when many women's colleges were being closed in the South.

As for DG's being established, it was just the 3 women founders.

I just want to add to that.

No NPC sorority has an official brother fraternity.

A couple have unofficial ties to fraternity men who helped found their organization, set up chapters or write their rituals, such as one Chi Omega founder being a Kappa Sigma, or Delta Gamma and Phi Delta Theta. However, these are not brother fraternities, and sometimes the fraternities themselves don't even make mention of these links in their histories. Sometimes fraternities will mention a brother helping to found some sorority in their histories while the sororities make no note of this whatsoever. So the whole brother/sister thing is kind of sketchy, most of the time.

In the NPHC, there is one official brother/sister arrangement: Zeta Phi Beta and Phi Beta Sigma. From my understanding, most of the other groups have unofficial pairings (Alpha Kappa Alpha and Alpha Phi Alpha, for example) although they can differ on the campus level.

Delta Delta Delta has no brother fraternity and no unofficial ties to any fraternity as helping to found us . . . our founders created Tri Delta and wrote the rituals themselves.

Re: Pi Kappa Alpha and Phi Sigma Sigma
 

I'm not sure if you are referring to the saying "Once a Phi Sig always a Phi Sig", but I think tons of orgs use that. Also, I was a Pike sweetheart and it was not something the guys in that chapter ever really used. Because if it had some tie ritually I am a)sure you woudn't reference that on a public message board and b)wouldn't know that about each others rituals. Just a thought...:confused: Of course, if you aren't talking about that then smack my mouth and call me Fanny!!! :D

Also, yes, one of Chi Omega's five founders was Dr. Charles Richardson. The 4 ladies had gotten together hoping to start a Greek org. like the men had, they knew Dr. Richardson because he taught at the U of Arkansas and they knew he had been a Kappa Sig so they approached him for help. He led them in the right direction then assisted them later by drafting our first ritual based on the Eleusinian mysteries. While I have no way of knowing, I don't think our ritual is anything similar to that of Kappa Sigma - no similar symbols or crests etc. So, while it did state in my pledge book that because of "Sis Doc's" affiliation with Kappa Sig we have a special place for them in our hearts so to speak, there is NOT an official brother/sister relationship. However, we did not have them on my campus, so I don't know how the 2 groups interact on campuses with both orgs.

Re: Re: Pi Kappa Alpha and Phi Sigma Sigma
 

Both Chi O's badge and Kappa Sig's badge bear a skull and crossbones (as, of course, do the badges and coats-of-arms of some other groups as well). Whether they mean the same thing, only someone who knows the rituals of both groups could say.

Brief Zeta and Sigma History
 

From: Zeta Phi Beta International Web site:
http://www.zphib1920.org/heritage/incorporators.html

Zeta was not founded by members of Phi Beta Sigma to be the little sister arm of Phi Beta Sigma, but founded by five women with assistance from two members of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, to be a sister (female complement) organization with a shared purpose to Phi Beta Sigma. Oddly enough, none of our Five Pearls (Founders) married any member of Phi Beta Sigma.

The relationship between our two organizations is ratified in our respective Constitutions, and we do indeed share similar purpose and symbolism. On both the National and local levels, we try and conduct as many joint activities as possible, but the two groups are fully autonomous and operate independently of each other.

Just explaining the genesis and rationale for our brother/sister association because sometimes I hear some "out there" explanations! :)

True, true (as always with you, MysticCat! :cool: )! But I guess, like you said, I figured the skull & crossbones are symbolic to a lot of groups. I was thinking about the star and crescent, the owl etc. etc. Too bad we can't reach Dr. Richardson through a seance we could know the real answers!!! ;)

Ok, AGD's and AGR's on my campus aren't close at all and AGD's aren't agriculture related.... I am a Sigma Alpha, Sisters in Agriculture... I think that the agriculture bond would kinda make us a sister sorority... who knows, because Alpha Sigma Alpha and AGR's on our campus are very close...

Back in the days when I was an undergrad, we somewhat had a close relationship with the AGDs and the KDs. We'd work on Greek Week or have functions (read: keg parties) back then, but our small numbers and counterculture lifestyle ran counter to the Greek establishment at the time.

I need to clarify my earlier statement. Sigma Kappa and Theta Chi do national stuff together I think. I don't know why, but at an event, a bunch of Sigma Kappas were like "you are our big brother fraternity" or something along those lines. Memory is fuzzy. Anyway, I don't know Sigma Kappa's history, but maybe a Theta Chi helped them out somewhere?