The Dixie Chicks naked
 

The Dixie Chick posed nude for the cover of entertainment weekly. Does anyone thing it was a smart move to try to get past the controversy they cause, or will it just cause more controversy?


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I don't think it'll do much to help their situation. They've already publicly apologized, but with their U.S. tour beginning soon and plummeting record sales, I don't blame them for trying to straighten things out. I'm curious as to what they will say in tonight's one hour interview. An hour is a long time.

On another note, we have three mainstream country radio stations here and all three have banned their music since this happened. They are still not playing their music. I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow morning (after tonight's interview) the early morning DJ's take calls asking whether to unban or continue with the ban.

My personal opinion: I think this all has been blown waaaay out of proportion.

I agree.

It amazes me how some celebrities can get away with murder and people still go to their movies, concerts, etc. and then there are other celebrities who voice their opinion, which causes no harm to anyone, and they get completely bashed.

By the way, I think the Dixie Chicks ROCK!!

Yeah, it's really disturbing that someone's music can be banned just because they decided to be honest about their feelings. It's almost reminiscent of the book burnings in Nazi Germany. Our country is really stupid sometimes man.

Totally agree its been blown out of proportion-but you guys have no idea!!! I live in the town Natalie Maines grew up in. I have no doubt that Lubbockites would eat their own young, if the response to her comment is any indication! (Before this incident, I thought they were protective, caring people...).

One minute she is the toast of the town, second only to other favorite son, Buddy Holly. The next minute, she is being villified, her grandmother, uncles, aunts and other relatives are being threatened and personally attacked. It makes me ill. I hear people in this town say things like "George W is the reason none of our graduates will have jobs come May 17th", and completely ripping on him for the economy...but they think Natalie was wrong to voice her opinion.

That's fine. Just like her, they have a right to voice their dismay by not buying DC albums-but I will continue to listen to them...I have a feeling they will just change their genre--their C&W audience is just too conservative to handle women who are not sheep. If they were solely pop stars, this never would have gotten to the frenzied pitch that it has.

Edited to add: For the record, I think Natalie showed poor judgment in her remarks. She wasn't thinking. She is a public figure, and should have been more responsible. However, I choose not to judge her because I believe the comment was an off the cuff remark not meant to be malicious...and I have made many comments in my life that I immediately regretted, but could not possibly take back. It happens. She is obviously feeling the consequences of her actions...I don't think Americans have good cause to become uncivilized zealots about it, though.

Regardless of whether the DC's comments and reactions to them are "out of proportion" I would be really careful before throwing around Nazi Germany comparisons.

The First Amendment prohibits GOVERNMENT censorship of speech. As in, government agencies could not arrest these ladies, give them extra parking tickets, levy additional taxes, etc. The FCC could not order their music off the air. In Nazi Germany, the government was promoting book burning; it was not individuals doing it on a whim.

That said, the phenomenon of their music being removed from play lists is NOT the result of government interference. This is the result of private individuals and privately held corporations making business decisions. I hate to tell you this but when PRIVATE people decide they don't like what a performer says/does and decides not to listen to their music, decides to boycott stations playing their music, this too is protected by the First Amendment.

Let's not selectively apply the "Nazi" label because people react to what a public person says. In addition to being just as "out of proportion" as you think the reaction to the DC is, it cheapens the memory of the people who really did suffer under the Nazis.

Regarding the DC's opinion that the reaction is "out of proportion": You guys are on stage. You guys are in the public eye. The people who you want to buy your records and tickets are going to judge you by every little thing. That's showbiz, babes. If you can't handle that, then get off the stage.

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Adrienne (PNAM-2003)

Interesting question- Do you think that if they were male, their audience would be more likely to let them get away with it? My impression has always been that either way they would have been crucified for those comments. I thought of the country western people as also being a group very much (almost blindly, IMHO) in support of Bush and that was mainly the reason for the backlash.

I just don't want to see them disappear. Their music is the only country I can stand!

Re: The Dixie Chicks naked
 

:rolleyes:

Personally I think they should be sacrificed because their music sucks....but.....

I think the EW cover is a completely neutral idea. Natalie made a stupid comment (which she has the right to do) and is completely distraught that her career could be over. Tough. Seriously. You're on a stage, in another country, with thousands of American fans...not to mention the fact that country music is native to the U.S.- I mean common sense tells you that your audience (if you're a country music star) would probably be more patriotic then the average.
But anyway, they did this, their career is in the shitter, temporarily.....doing the cover of EW will make no difference. It will blow over in like 6 mos. or something.
As far as them being naked, I get the idea behind it but I still don't think it will make a difference. People have selective judgement anyway, and conservatives or patriots that Natalie pissed off are probably just going to become more angry.
That's my .02....

All I have to say
"Alls fair in love... and war"

And if you think those are their real bodies... I have some land in Florida you might be interested in:D

which may be true, but (and not to bring this up again) trent lott also, in my opinion, made an off the cuff remark and we all know where that got him.....everything we say will probably insult, offend, or piss off someone, so that's why i think celebs have a bigger responsibility to just keep that in mind b/4 they go off the deep end.

as far as this cover goes......kinda pointless to me. just makes more attention for them, and posing naked rarely gives someone the forgiveness, or at least apathy, of the conservative american. if so....i think ol' trenty would have tried it, too. ;)

Garth Brooks has made some pretty outlandish political statments in his time and audiences loved him until the day he retired.

As for the banning of Dixie Chicks songs, that's a business decision, plain and simple. After working for a corporate owned country radio station, I can say that they're not trying to make a statement by banning them, they're trying to position themselves to the listeners as "their" station. If the fans are pissed at the Dixie Chicks, then the station is pissed at the Dixie Chicks and you can be damn sure they're going to remind the audience of it, to keep positioning them in the listener's mind as the station that agrees with their views to keep their Arbitron ratings up.

The country music audience is a very patriotic audience. That's why artists like Charlie Daniels can send out his open letter to the Hollywood liberals and feel safeguarded. That's why the country charts are filled with "The Angry American," "Riding with Private Malone," "Hey, Mr. President," "Have You Forgotten," and "Iraq and I Roll" (I swear to God I didn't make that title up.) Some songs are alright, some aren't. ("They tell me not to worry about Bin Laden/Have you forgotten"). But the country audience really likes this stuff.

And the Dixie Chicks knew this and they were cashing in on it. "Traveling Soldier" was at #2 on the country charts when Natalie Maines stuck her foot in her mouth. And now here's the backlash. If I were the Dixie Chicks, which I far from am, the best thing to do is just lie low and let it blow over. Someone else is going to do something stupid sometime soon and the public will forget about this. But newstories about them being threatened, a one hour interview on ABC and the cover of Entertainment Weekly are only keeping the situation fresh in America's mind. Some people thrive off of drama. I get the feeling the Dixie Chicks are three of those people.

:eek: Thank you. I needed an image of nude Trent Lott in my head all day! I agree Lott's comment was also off the cuff, but there's a difference between a policy maker saying something careless and a chick with a fiddle/banjo/whatever (sorry about the chick thing...) popping off during a concert. He was a lifetime politician who clearly knew anything he said, in any situation, could come back to haunt him. She's just an immature (some would say) 25 year old. Not an excuse, just an observation...I think you and I are on the same page, as far as the principle is concerned.

I don't think the cover will help them with their C&W ex-fans. That part of their lives is over. I do think the cover will serve as a springboard for them into mainstream/pop music.

Sherbert-I think the jury's still out on whether they will be around much longer. Until I saw the EW cover, I seriously thought Martie & Emily were going to jump ship (Emily's hubby has been very vocal about his disgust for Natalie's comment & how "Natalie doesn't speak for Emily or Martie), or fire her from the group (she is not the original lead singer for the group...but then again, I think they name would be damaged no matter what).

I think the radio stations have a right to stop playing the music...but I read somewhere that "Landslide" is the number one download in the nation (from mp3.com and others...not sure where the data came from, and I can't find the snippet I read it in...Kidd Kraddick was talking about it the other day on the radio...). So, people are still listening to their music, they just aren't paying for it.

heehee....sorry for the visual! lol...don't act like you haven't wondered what was under that shirt and tie...ow ow! (ok, so now i've grossed myself out :o ) but yeah, we're on the same page. silly ppl in the public eye all the time.......and i didn't know emily's husband was all in a rage. wonder what he thinks about this cover........

I actually agree with this.

I couldn't care less about the comments, but I believe that the cover will further alienate the people who were boycotting, threatening family members, etc. A lot of these people are "God/Mom/Apple Pie", and nekkid 'girls' on the cover of one of them Hollywood magazines ain't gonna sit well with Uncle Bubba and Aunt Suzie Mae.

The very fact that there are people hiding behind the American flag while threatening people who voice (unpopular) opinions makes ME ashamed to be an American. Boycotting a book/record is another thing. Making the person who produced that scared to walk around without protection.

You know what?

I'm sick of all of the bashing that conservatives take on this issue. Yes, i'm a conservative, i voted for Bush, i will vote for him again, i don't like the Dixie Chicks, and i don't buy their music.

BUT, i am NOT Uncle Bubba and Aunt Suzie Mae. Being conservative is not a solely southern thing. My uncle is very active in the Republican party of LONG ISLAND! (YES, even YANKEES can be conservative.)

Once again, liberals resort to name-calling and mud-slinging when their arguments have no point. They disagree with the war in Iraq, but instead of offering solutions to disarm Saddam, they call Bush "hitler", a dictator, among other vulgarities. They don't agree with the backlash against the Dixie Chicks or the ardent patriotism of Charlie Daniels and so we BOYCOTTERS are now unAmerican?? What the hell is that argument? I guess when MLK proposed the boycotts of the busses in Alabama, that was unAmerican and disgraceful too, huh? :rolleyes:

Also, it's not "Emily's husband" it's Charlie Robinson. And if y'all want to experice Texas music, the way country was MEANT to be played,(not that wannabe pop drivel in Nashville) check him out.

Lastly,
I am an American. If so-called celebrities say things that i don't disagree with i am totally in my right not to further support them. If my bank came out and said they support Iraq, i would close my checking account. Likewise, i don't support Hanoi Jane, BABS Striesand, Martin Sheen, Alec Baldwin, the Dixie Chicks, and anyone else who's opinions i don't share. That's not unAmerican, that's me spending my MONEY how i WANT TO. It's called capitalism, look into it.

/end rant

Kitso
KS 361 dixie chicks songs i'm gonna download, burn onto CD's and then sell on the black market to steal money from them

In any event, I feel that the Dixie Chicks should get unnekkid, and fast!

I'm going to add this to the list of comments you make that are just plain ignorant and start ripping on you. How were they banned??? How does this even compare with Nazi Germany and book burnings? Do you even realize how offensive your remark about Nazi Germany is to someone who is Jewish?? Why are you so ignorant? I'm going to jump down your throat for being ignorant and insensitive.

Our country is not stupid - just idiots who make certain remarks are.

-Rudey
--We have the freedom to listen to whatever music we enjoy. If we don't enjoy the views behind an artist, we are free to not listen to their music.

Rudey rules

/end game

Kitso-
Settle down, now! I don't agree with Cloud9's Nazi comparison, but otherwise, we were having a civilized conversation about a hot topic. When I said "their C&W audience is too conservative..." I meant that by DEFINITION (as in the dictionary definition of the word: traditional or restrained) their fans are conservative...not that their fans are Conservatives (although I guess many of them are). Is that conservative bashing? You've probably already figured out I'm one of the 42 liberal people in Texas, but I support the war. I can do that, you know? And yet, I am not offended by Natalie's expression of opinion. That's one of the things that makes America great.

I can't speak for Munchkin, but I took her "Susie Mae" comment to be more a comment of the stereotype of country music fans-not liberal name calling...(let's say stereotypical Nashville country music fans, if that makes it less offensive, since you seem to dislike all things Nashville country music). Maybe I interpreted teh comment wrong.

Sorry I failed to point out to the less knowledgeable that Emily's husband is in fact Charlie Robinson, who happens to be a terrific Texas musician. That was not really my point . My point was that I wondered, after hearing his comments, how long the group was going to remain together because surely if the husband of one of the band members is being vocal about it, there must be some dissention in the ranks. I honestly would not be surprised if they pack it in after the tour is over & go their very separate ways.

I personally don't think you (or the boycotters) are un-American. You have a right to your opinion and so do we. My problem is not with the boycotters...I'm just disappointed in the way some people have reacted in what I view to be uncivilized ways--i.e. physical threats to the band members (I have an old high school friend who was playing for them while they were on tour in Europe--he totally disagreed with her comments, and yet he felt threatened upon their return), verbal assaults against her family (her grandmother is a volunteer at a local hospital, and people have been verbally assaulting her at work for heaven's sake!), etc. What is that all about?

I agree--capitalism is king. Vote with your wallet, that's everyone's right & something I'm glad I can do if I choose to. I also guess people like the aforementioned name-callers have a right to act like buffoons, but I have a right to be disappointed that any American would behave that way.

Stand down!
 

Whoa, calm down there, Tiger.

I'm fron the South. Therefore, I feel I can poke goodhearted fun at MY Uncle Bubba and Aunt Suzie Mae, representative of the sort of people I imagine are making a huge deal about this Dixie Chicks stuff and who will be the most alienated by the cover, without being called a mudslinging liberal. If you can't poke fun at yourself, who can you make fun of?

Plus, I failed to mention either Republicans or Democrats--I am politically enlightened enough to understand that Democrats can be very conservative and Republicans can be socially liberal. Besides, it was a discussion about SOCIAL conservatives, not POLITICAL conservatives.

There is a difference between boycotting the Montgomery city buses because of discrimination and not buying Dixie Chicks CDs because you don't agree with their political stance. I cannot even believe that you even COMPARED the two.

Nobody said that boycotting was unAmerican--at least I didn't. There is something inherently undemocratic about threatening to physically attack someone who says something you do not believe in. Capitalism is one thing; threats bordering on terrorism because someone says something you don't agree with is another.

Anyway...take a few deep breaths, have a cup of tea, and reread my first post, and then this one. You may realize that my post was not spewing with vitriol; simply, it was an observation of my own culture.

Sure vote with your wallet. That's our freedom (unless some more bullsh*t gets passed and we lose that, too) and I heartily endorse it. But hell, don't get all bent out of shape and threaten the well being of Maines' family because she spouted off. Her family is not responsible for what she said. Heck if her own bandmates (who were right there) couldn't control it how could her family across the pond control it? Personally, I like their music and I continue to listen to it even after what was said. My opinion? I think it's perfectly ok that she thinks that, but I wish she hadn't said it at such a "hot" time. Or maybe not targeted the President personally, and just said something like "While we don't support the war, God bless the soldiers" or something. And then played "Travellin' Soldier" Damn, I should be a publicist :)

that is putting it VERY lightly.

i hate to see how many people feel if rage against the machine are still around. BTW, Pearl Jam did something even more "contrversial" and u know what, most people wouldn't care less. Is it maybe the music they're playing or maybe they were males? And their shows have been getting rave review, and I have their new album and, beside ten, has to be their best work.

On a side now, any female that can play the mandolin is fine in my book.

Re: Stand down!
 

I don't agree with the physical threats. That to me is wrong, but i don't understand why it's childish (as others on here have stated) to not buy and support people financially that i disagree with.

In regards to Arya, yes, i heard about Pearl Jam and how Eddie Vedder attacked an effigy of President Bush. You know what? i don't care how good they are, i have not, nor will ever buy their music or tickets again. It's NOT childish, if i don't want to support them i don't have to. It's exactly like if i don't want to support Pepsi, then i will buy only coke products.

The comparision to the buses in montgomery. Yes, the 2 situations have differences, but the main idea of the boycott, to withdraw support of a company due to it's political stances, is the same at heart. Would i be childish if i ceased to financially support a corporation that donates money to the KKK or a terrorist cell?

Everyone in this country is free to speak their mind, that's one of the great things about America. However, it is naive to think that if you do speak out on an issue like this that you will have the support of the entire American public. To say what she said either means that she has lots of guts, or she is brainless. Guts if she understood the repercutions, brainless if she thinks that by taking a stance on one side of a passionate issue that her fans on the other side will still blindly support her.

Lastly, if, lets say, J-Lo came out and said that she's pro-life, and embarrassed that she's a woman due to NOW's stances, i'm willing to bet that there would be similar mass boycotts from the left and some of these Chicks supporters would be among leading the rhetoric.

BTW, i don't drink 'cups' of tea, that's what the hippies down in austin drink. And don't tell me to simmer down like i'm a 8th grader throwing a tantrum.

Kitso
KS 361 times that i'm ashamed Natalie Maines is from Texas

People make their voices known. I refuse to support certain artists and Pearl Jam is on that list along with the Beastie Boys. I can think the Beastie Boys are quite possibly one of the most innovative bands, but I sure as hell won't be supporting them anymore.

-Rudey
--I might be ashamed of American idiots like Sean Penn and the Dixie Chicks, but I am glad I'm not French.

hey! don't forget the other commies !

God bless you Munchkin, and God bless the South

This country is about freedom. Freedom to speak your mind about the President and his policies, freedom of a company to tell its radio stations not to play a certain song, and freedom to boycott.

Great Rant AggieSigmaNU361. Standing ovation!

That's a big list. Looks like the boycotters will have a lot of free time on they're hands since they won't be listening to music, going to the mvoies or watching tv.

On his website ( http://www.brucespringsteen.net/news/index.html ), Bruce Springsteen writes:

The Dixie Chicks have taken a big hit lately for exercising their basic right to express themselves. To me, they're terrific American artists expressing American values by using their American right to free speech. For them to be banished wholesale from radio stations, and even entire radio networks, for speaking out is un- American.

***

Yea, it's American for the Dixie Chicks to speak out against war, but not for Americans to protest them?!?
:rolleyes:
Gimme a break!

I think that the cover is another example of poor judgement on their part. Like someone else said, it WILL further alienate some fans. I've always liked the Dixie Chicks, but Maines' "comment" really turned me off, and this cover decreases the amount of respect I have for them.

Yes, they have the freedom of speech. But Americans also have the freedom to disagree with it and voice that, as well.

good lordy this got heated in a hurry........

PLEASE BE GENTLE when you flame me for the following...thanks.......this is long...feel free to skip to the interesting parts (i received this through email--no clue who wrote it):

The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinetevery chance they get, to anyone and everyone who willlisten. They publicly defile them and call them names like"stupid", "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went sofar as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bushand is embarrassed to be an American.

So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant" , "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:

President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from
Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He
served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He
began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in
1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was
elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of
the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the
first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year
terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote.
In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27
percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats
and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of
254, than any modern Republican other than Richard Nixon in
1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to
win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El
Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false
story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President.
If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM
and see the truth.

Vice President Dick Cheney: Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a
M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he
won an American Political Science Association congressional
fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is
to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign
leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy,
secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his
official role as President of the Senate, Vice President
Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators
and members of the House of Representatives to work on the
Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice
President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war
on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military,
and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the
United States of America.

Secretary of State Colin Powell: Educated in the New York
City public schools, graduating from the City College of New
York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology.
He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a
commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in
June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master
of Business Administration Degree from George Washington
University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous
U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary
Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of
Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional
Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service
Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service
Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named
in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities
and colleges across the country. (Note: He retired as Four
Star General in the United States Army)

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: Attended Princeton
University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S.
Navy (1954-57) as a Nava! l aviator; Congressional Assistant
to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative,
Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of
the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of
Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74;
head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the
President, Director of White House Office of Operations,
White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77.

Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge: Raised in a working
class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a
scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After
his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted
into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff
sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star
for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law
Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant
District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress
in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran
elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected
six times.

National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice: Earned her
Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi
Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her
Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her
Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at
the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the
University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with
a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). She
earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and
a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School
of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are
also in Political Science.) She is a Fellow of the American
Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary
Doctorates from Morehouse College i! n 1991, the University
of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995.
At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for
International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of
the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by
courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include
Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip
Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin,
and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the
Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous
articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense
policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from
the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the
Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National
Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of
German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union,
she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then
Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the
National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the
President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an
international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign
Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of
the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal
Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the
Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the
Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the
William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre
Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and
the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a
Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an
educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and
East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the
Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past
board service has encompassed such organizations as
Transamerica Corpo! ration, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie
Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The
Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East
European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED,
public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954
in Birmingham, Alabama, she resides in Washington, D.C.

So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their
experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will
defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I
think that if they are going to call into question the
intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the
facts on their educations and background:

Barbra Streisand : Completed high school Career: Singing and acting
Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade. Career: Singing and acting
Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton. Career:Acting
Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year.
Career: Acting
Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal. Career:Acting
Julia Roberts: Completed high school. Career: Acting
Sean Penn: Completed High school. Career: Acting
Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. Career: Acting
Ed Asner; Completed High school. Career: Acting
George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky. Career: Acting
Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan. Career:Movie Director
Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School. Career: Acting
Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School. Career: Acting
Mike Farrell: Completed High school. Career: Acting
Janeane G! arofelo: Dropped out of College. Career: Stand up comedienne
Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year. Career: Acting

ok, if you read all of that, i am impressed. the short of it is, though, that all these celebs and stuff who are anti-bush/war have been known to refer to him as "stupid" or they are "embarrassed" to be an american/texan b/c of him......by showing these educational backgrounds, i am NOT saying they aren't entitled to their opinions or should not voice them b/c they didn't go on to college or are "just actors" (i was a theatre major, so i don't knock their work) b/c then i would definitely be anti-american......what i am really saying, though, is that their job is not a political one that entitles them to be privy to foreign information regarding the safety of this country. they honestly don't have the educational background that the pres. and his homies do. our leaders are highly educated, highly intelligent, and HIGHLY informed. why would ANYone be embarrassed about someone who is attempting to protect his country's citizens AS WELL AS THOSE OUTSIDE THIS COUNTRY? i mean....ppl act like he got caught with his pants down with some intern....geez......

also....it would be more of a valid statement from mr. bruce what this AMERICAN artist did by expressing her AMERICAN right to free speech about her embarrassment of this AMERICAN president if she had been IN AMERICA!!!!

This thread is stupid.

Just sayin.

Too many people on BOTH sides running their mouths about stuff they know nothing about.

either contribute or don't.....but there's no need to call other ppl "stupid" when you don't even have an intelligent comment to add....your smart comments don't count........

further reinforces my sig line.

rant on babe ;)

Kitso
KS 361 gallons of gas my TRUCK guzzles to support terrorism because i'm a MEAN-SPIRITED REPUBLICAN

Hey. I'm not an ass kisser. I tell it like it is.

I'm a heavy participator in one particular side of this argment.

I mean no offense, but most of you people are people I consider intelligent and well spoken, but when it comes to talking about the war, both sides suddenly get over-emotional and start spouting rhetoric and insults that is based on anything BUT facts.

fair enough. :)

And for the record, I didn't call y'all stupid, I said the thread and how it's turned out is stupid.

;)