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I know this is a nit but it's been driving me nuts lately -

Pan Hel or Pan-Hellenic refers to the National Pan-Hellenic Council, the organization frequently referred to as the "Divine Nine" historically African American fraternities and sororities.

Panhel or Panhellenic refers to the National Panhellenic Conference, the organization of 26 sororities that are historically primarily white. No hyphen, no space, no capital H.

So if you were in an NPC sorority, you were probably NOT on Pan Hell, or vice versa.

It's "just" a typo, but the result is to give the name of the wrong organization, which is pretty serious.

Fuzzie, ask away, I do not have any idea how it is done!

1. I do not understand the womens Orgs.

2. I dont understand the NPHC Orgs!

3. I am becoming sure I so not understand any Greek Orgs!

Question, When did any Org. become better than the others?

We had the BGLOS, and the GLOS, Fraternity and Soroity!

Now there are MGLO's!

Where do we as the Divine or Elite Place them!?

Do LIMBO come to mind!?:(

We all in some strange form opf mind still have the same thing going on! Some do it different and wrong to our way of thinking!

Well, I know MY WAY IS RIGHT!:D :)

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I hear you on that sister....it also drives me nuts when I am looking at sorority websites and they talk about their "ALUMNI". It's "ALUMNAE" for women, people, unless your sorority has started initiating MEN!

Tom, I'll forgive ya. I'm thinking more that girls who are active in NPC or NPHC should know the right name ... just like you know that you're an LXA and don't call it Theta Chi or Beta Theta Pi!

It's Founders' day, not founder's day. Unless you only had one founder.

I think Founders Day (no apostrophe) may also be appropriate. Founders' Day would mean "a day belonging to the founders," whereas Founders Day would be more like "a day for the founders." But you're right; there is no way Founder's Day is appropriate unless you only had one founder.



(I am so obviously an English major.)

Glad I'm not the only English major that was annoyed by this! :)

can you say NICKNAME? Its not about any group of organizations being "better" than another. It's not that dang deep.

"The Divine Nine" refers to the nine organizations that make up the National Pan-Hellenic Council. Before the Iotas joined, we were the "Elite Eight" or the "Great Eight" depending on who you asked. IF multicultural orgs were members of the NPHC, THEN the "Divine Nine" or some other moniker would apply. HOWEVER, since there aren't any MCGLOs in the NPHC, "Divine Nine" and "D9" don't apply to them. If the MCGLOs develop a council and they want to be called the "Tenacious Twenty," it doesn't mean that they're better than anyone, it's just want they want their NICKNAME to be. It's very similar to the way I know that when someone, anyone, refers to "NPC sororities," I know they're not talking about Delta because Delta isn't in the National Panhellenic Conference. It doesn't leave anyone out in "limbo," it just means that MCGLO's aren't a member of our council.

Like the "nitpicks" others have mentioned, it's not a hard concept to grasp.

[rant] why do we continually have to defend why/how we do things? i know it's not everyone, but there are just enough "isolated" incidents, like Tom's post and whomever wants to ask why minority based greeks "still" exist, to piss people off. it's one of the "little things" that cause some of us to answer the way we do. think about it. how would you feel if it seemed like everytime you turned around, someone was asking why your org exists or why your organization or council chooses to call itself what it does? from personal experience, i can tell you it gets pretty old pretty damn fast. [/rant]

For Delta Gamma it is unequivicably ALWAYS "Founders Day." No apostrophe EVER.

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Can someone please tell my why one hyphenates and one does not? How can it be grammatically correct BOTH ways??

I'm not sure why, but my spell check hates Panhellenic. :( So maybe NPC has it grmatically wrong.

mine too....

We had fourteen founders, but one, Ossian Mills, is considered the "Father of Sinfonia." In many of our documents, including our membership handbook, he is referred to as our "Revered Founder," while the other eleven are referred to as "Charter Members" of the Fraternity. Our Founder's Day ceremony, one of only two "open" ceremonies that we have, begins by saying that "[w]e are met on this, the ___ anniversary of Sinfonia's founding, to pay homage to the memory of its founder and first president, Ossian Everett Mills."

So for us, it is indeed "Founder's Day."

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Of course, the difference is only noticeable when written. In speaking, there is no difference between "Pan-Hel" and "Panhel" or "Pan-Hellenic" and "Panhellenic." Which probably adds to the confusion.

What bugs me is when girls in my chapter say that they have to go to an NPC meeting. I want to snap them in two. We are in a local sorority, we are not a part of NPC, we are a part of a local panhellenic council through our university. Learn your Greek terminiology!! NPC = National Panhellenic Conference...PC = Panhellenic Council...BIG DIFFERENCE!!

The Alumni, Alumna, Alumnae thing pisses me off as well...

One more, chiming in!:)

I'm not an English major, and this makes me CRAZY! :eek: We have all graduated, or are in the throes of college...why are there so many spelling and grammatical errors? :eek:

12dn94st, I agree with you. It's not THAT deep. It's just a nickname. There's a way to ask these questions with respect, and frankly, there are a lot of people who don't do that. I had those questions, I asked them, they were answered. I did not continue the discussion any further. Besides, "Divine Nine" just sounds nice. :p

This drives me nuts too, but for a different reason. Unless someone in your chapter has been elected or appointed by your inter/national organization to the role of National Panhellenic Conference Delegate - you are not going to an NPC meeting. You are going to a College Panhellenic Council meeting. You are not your chapter's NPC delegate. You are your chapter's Panhellenic Delegate. There's a difference.

If you have NPC meetings on your campus, then, damn, you must be important. I'd love to know how you get all those ladies to fly in to meet at your school every Tuesday at 4:00 - especially since NPC only meets once a year.

It also drives me up a wall when an individual refers to himself or herself as "an ALUMNI." You can't have one alumni. You're an alumnus or an alumna.

If you aren't sure which to use, just say "alum"; you can't go wrong with an abbreviation.

The copy editor in me refuses to die...Ivy

I am on board with all of these gripes. I hate it when anyone calls Panhellenic "Pan hel" ! I HATE THAT! I hate the alumna/alumnae/alumni confusion, and I hate "frat".

I ESPECIALLY HATE WHEN SOMEONE REFERS TO US AS TRI SIG!
Please feel free to use any of the following:
* SIGMA
* TRI SIGMA
* SIGMA 3
* SIGMA SIGMA SIGMA
* SIGMA TRI

THANKS!

Would Sigma to the 3rd Power work? :p

You are a cheeky one! ;) :D

It's not my intention to "excuse anyone", however, it might be because that other "Tri" sorority, Tri Delta is sometimes called "Tri Delts"...so perhaps people just presume that Tri Sig is fine too. I, too, thought that Tri Sig was ok, until Tracey (TriSigmaTX) set me straight!! :)

YES! ANYTHING BUT TRI SIG!!!!!!! ICK, I even hate TYPING it!
Hell, we even used Sigma cubed!

I just wanted to know. ;) We did not have Sigma to the 3rd Power on our campus. So I want to make sure I use the right terminology.

is the use of "tri-sig" a national thing because I have heard many members of our sigma sigma sigma chapter refer to themeselves that way... is it a personal preference or a national preference???

Can I just say that I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets annoyed by others confusing their terms? (And no, I'm not an English major ;) )

Didn't they teach you this while pledging?
 

It's ALLLpha(Alpha)- not AAAAAlpha

It's Zeeeee(Xi)- not zeye

It's Pheye(Phi)- not Pheeeee (unless Alpha Phi)

It's Keye(Chi)- not sheye or cheye

It's Oooopsilon or Yooopsilon(Upsilon)- not Uppppsilon

It's Taw(Tau)- not towel

It's Pie(Pi)- not pee

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong (and I know if I'm wrong someone will - :cool: ), but I always thought that in "Panhellenic" (NPC) the "h" was silent. So technically, pronounced, wouldn't it be "pan-ell-en-ic" for NPC and "pan-hell-en-ic" for NPHC?

Spell Check?

Bull Sh*T. No earpspeak! DA!

The reason Tri-Sigma gets upset? I always knew them in college was Tri-Sigs! Learned not the thing to say! Ask a Tri-Sigma for the answer!

Oh, I was not an English Major, and dont type worth a SH*T either!

Tide, snidness unbecomes you.

Get down on me if you want, I have narrow shoulders and a fat belly!:D

They have their reasons just as you and yours do about what is said about your Soroity!

I did not understand when the first time I heard Lamda Chop. Choppers, hell still dont know for sure, but I go with da flow!

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Not according to my dictionary.

Re: Didn't they teach you this while pledging?
 

Unless one is actually speaking Greek, of course. Then it's "KSee," "Fee," "CHee" (with the a German or Scots-style "ch"), and "Pee." ;)

sigma cubed?

Re: Re: Didn't they teach you this while pledging?
 

i talked to some greek cat from greece and he said we butcher the shit out of their langquage. like he told me Iota was pronouned like yoda or something crazy like that.

I say "towel" because the AST's on my campus refer to themselves as "Alpha Sigma TOWEL." No other group on campus has "Tau" in their name, so they are the only group I could refer to.

As for the Tri-Sig thing, we have a Tri Sigma chapter on our campus and I always hear people refering to themselves as Tri Sig's. I know better b/c of GC, but TONSSS of people say "Tri Sig" on my campus.

The whole alumnae/alumni thing really annoys me. That's the big thing in our chapter. Ugh! And no, I'm not an English major. I'm about as far from that as you can get!

When in doubt say "alum"

the women of sigma sigma sigma call themselves tri-sig on our campus, as does the rest of the greek community. forgive me for being in the dark, but why is "tri-sig" so bad?

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Exactly. In Greek (as in many if not most other European languages), "I" represents the sound "ee," not the diphthong "eye" ("ah" followed quickly by "ee"). Say it quickly and the "ee" in "ee-o-ta" becomes "Y," so that you get "yota." We (and the Brits) have anglicized the names of most Greek letters.

Now, the really weird ones in Greek are Mu and Nu, which are pronounced "mee" and "nee." Can't tell you why.

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And what dictionary is that?

I don't know, but are you aware of your "Tri-Sig" brothers?
Go here:
http://www2.potsdam.edu/greek/Delta....dkhistory.html
Delta Kappa Theta Fraternity was originally a local Fraternity called Sigma Sigma Sigma, or Tri-Sigma. W.W. II caused Tri-Sig to disband. After the war the returning brothers of Tri-Sig formed, Sigma Tau with the intent of joining a National Fraternity.